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Zibri says no COPY & PASTE or MMS?
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I agree. As said, there are over a dozen sessions at WWDC that haven't been announced, but are slated as happening. They = new features (GPS/geolocation/other) in all likelihood. It'd be interesting to get a more up to date article from Zibri.
You know, it's funny - I've had MMS for years and would trade it IN A SECOND for REAL email, and then you guys that are lucky enough to live in countries where the iPhone is sold have an email capable phone are here whining about not having MMS. I think you've backwards, man ...
You want to wait for 2.1? I don't. The cheapest phones on the market have MMS. And voice dialing is a safety issue. All states are pushing hands free. I almost got nailed last week for just picking up the phone, but was lucky enouth
to have a bluetooth speaker connected. And what about A2DP? I for one will not wait. This is BS. Apple never had any concerns for their customers and is getting more & more like VZW.
to have a bluetooth speaker connected. And what about A2DP? I for one will not wait. This is BS. Apple never had any concerns for their customers and is getting more & more like VZW.
I suppose MMS would be useful for people to send messages who don't have iphones, but if you have an iphone it seems like it would be much easier/better just to send pics via email (better quality, etc). Not to mention with all the talk of expanding "push" email, why would people still want to use MMS?
(unless it's to speak with people who don't have appropriate email capabilities on their phone, etc)
(unless it's to speak with people who don't have appropriate email capabilities on their phone, etc)
I will still buy the iPhone, but I use MMS a lot, and will certainly miss the feature. I just find it unfathomable that my basic, $179 phone has a feature that my $500+ phone potentially will not have.
To those that claim that MMS is old technology, it is old technology that I still use, and find very convenient.
Jude
To those that claim that MMS is old technology, it is old technology that I still use, and find very convenient.
Jude
This keeps coming up. The problem is not SENDING messages it is receiving them. If those people you communicate with refuse (or more likely forget) to email you photos and send them MMS you are stuck with "viewmymessage.com" (which is unusable). Also, I have used the email function to send a photo to a cell phone. The recipient, in some cases, does not receive the message for 24 hours...or more!!! As for the "bitching" about the phone not having MMS: how else do you get a company to change its product to suit your needs? If enough people want/need it, Apple should listen up.
One other issue I really don't understand...those of you who don't want or need MMS seem to take issue with those of us who do. Why? Would the addition of MMS functionality to the iPhone somehow change your experience or damage you in some way? It seems it would be an innocuous addition for those of you who don't care for it and a welcome addition for those of us who do.
It would change the experience insofar as it would add an option we don't need, cluttering the UI. Even if this is done in the smallest way possible, it's worse than not having the option if I don't use it.
You're filling every goddamn post on the forum with cries for MMS. You're no different in this than every other person who hits Reply just to type "What about T-Mobile? What about those of us who need an optical drive? What, no floppy?" It adds nothing, it sounds whiny, and you're barking at the wrong tree.
This example has been dragged out too many times, but the whining sounds exactly like the floppy drive protest of ten years ago. "But all my friends use floppies - how will I share files with them? What? No, they don't have this Inter-Net thing. It's ridiculous that Apple REQUIRES users to have the Inter-Net just to share files!" Apple lost no sleep (and few sales) over that. They were more than happy to sell your friend an iMac and a smooth path to the Internet, just as they are more than happy to sell them an iPhone and an email account today.
The tone of this email is totally inappropriate. All we are asking for is a feature that has become a messaging standard on cell phones. It is used by many, many people on many types of phones. It would be an easy feature to implement and would prevent headaches to those of us who use it. As a previous post mentioned...we KNOW that we can send and receive emails with pictures. We CANNOT, however, prevent people from assuming that we can receive MMS.
And, it's an exaggeration to state that the this option would clutter the UI. As on many other phones, it could be implemented with a simple icon on the messaging screen indicating you want to attach something. They could even offer an option to disable the capability and keep your UI clean.
I can understand being tired of hearing the same complaints over and over again for features that you wouldn't use (I feel the same way about a front-facing camera), but skip those messages and move on like the rest of us do. The poster that you were bashing has every right to feel and state that he "needs" a feature.
wow
You text your scripts one line at a time? I bet you have the unlimited message add on. And one sore thumb!
You text your scripts one line at a time? I bet you have the unlimited message add on. And one sore thumb!
If "I" don't use it? Are you kidding me? It seems to me the MMS vs. no MMS camps are split about 50/50. That's a lot of people. Many more than just "I". Cluttering up the UI? Are you telling me that EVERY feature of the iPhone is of use or desireable to you? If this is not the case then it must be "clutter" to you.
It sounds whiny? And replying "stop bitching!" and "You're filling up every goddamn post on the forum with cries for MMS" sounds unnecessarily vicious and negative. Using floppy drives is a poor analogy as well. When that technology began being phased out there were new technologies taking its place. MMS is still not only widely used but is still found on virtually EVERY cell phone on the market today. Just because Steve Jobs doesn't like it does not make it obsolete. And its "barking UP the wrong tree".
There must be a reason the complaining about lack of MMS on the iPhone is just as loud today (if not louder) than it was when the phone was released: People still want it. I do agree that this has been dragged out over and over again but, getting back to my initial post, I was attempting to illustrate why I feel this feature is necessary (people sending you MMS rather than email) instead of just saying "I want MMS"! The catalyst for my post was the one I quoted. Members keep referring to email as the answer but, in my experience, this does not work (see my reasons in my post above).
I appreciate a good debate over whether a function should be included in later releases of software/hardware but I really would prefer to leave personal attacks and words like "whine" and "bitch" to the teenagers.
If having more options "clutters the UI", then you need to complain to Apple that the UI isn't customizable enough.
Adults openly debate the good and bad of anything.
I would love Copy and Paste. There are plenty of times when I have information in a note that I want to copy and paste into an email. I don't want to email the whole note. Just part of it. I'm also hoping for some kind of database app where I can email a record from the database to a client. So beyond copy and paste, we need a way to inject items from one app, such as text or a record into an email. I've had features like this on the BlackBerry and it is most useful.
Now, if they don't do this, I'll live. The software shown at the March 6th event did and still does knock my socks off. So even if they fail to do these, they are not losing me as a customer. The iPhone still has the best benefits as far as I am concerned. And perhaps we should even consider that 2.0 is still an early version of firmware. They are going from 1.0 to 2.0 in about a year. Not too bad. I've managed better than I expected with 1.1x. With add-on software, I know it's going to be so much better. So either way, I can certainly last till 3.0 and beyond.
Still... Cpy and Paste would be nice.
Alex Alexzander
Now, if they don't do this, I'll live. The software shown at the March 6th event did and still does knock my socks off. So even if they fail to do these, they are not losing me as a customer. The iPhone still has the best benefits as far as I am concerned. And perhaps we should even consider that 2.0 is still an early version of firmware. They are going from 1.0 to 2.0 in about a year. Not too bad. I've managed better than I expected with 1.1x. With add-on software, I know it's going to be so much better. So either way, I can certainly last till 3.0 and beyond.
Still... Cpy and Paste would be nice.
Alex Alexzander
I never said "stop bitching". You're making that up.
You'll find that email, a perfect replacement for MMS, has been around for a long time.
As floppy drives were found on every other consumer PC at the time the iMac came out.
Again, I don't know where you saw me say "bitch". If the word "whine" offends you, grow some thicker skin, honestly.
I think the point is that while its easy for an iPhone user to email a pic, its not quite as easy for someone with a "regular" cell to do the same. As much as I enjoy sending pics to people, I like to receive them as well. It's alot of work getting all your friends to remember to email you pics instead of through MMS.
neven: I did not mean to imply that you used the word "bitching", rather the "no MMS" camp seems to use it liberally.
I see no need to argue issue by issue with you and I do take some of your points although I don't necessarily agree with them.
I would like to ask a question related to your response that email has been around for a long time as a replacement for MMS. In all seriousness, how do you address the issue that I raised initially? How do I deal with the countless friends and professional associates who insist on sending me MMS instead of email? Even if I inform them that I can not accept MMS (which is a bit embarrasing considering I have one of the most technologically advanced cell phones to date) they tend to forget. Also, how do I deal with the issue emailing photos to another cell phone and the associated delay (sometimes 24 hours)?
I know the answer is to simply use a different phone and, obviously, I have made the choice to stick with the iPhone because it does so much so well. But outside of purchasing a phone capable of MMS how do you address the issues outlined above? I pose this in all sincerity and would like to hear your answer.
And I have a pretty thick skin. How would you like me to refer to you as a "whiner"? Again, I'd like to keep this debate adult and not revert to name calling.
Thanks!
I see no need to argue issue by issue with you and I do take some of your points although I don't necessarily agree with them.
I would like to ask a question related to your response that email has been around for a long time as a replacement for MMS. In all seriousness, how do you address the issue that I raised initially? How do I deal with the countless friends and professional associates who insist on sending me MMS instead of email? Even if I inform them that I can not accept MMS (which is a bit embarrasing considering I have one of the most technologically advanced cell phones to date) they tend to forget. Also, how do I deal with the issue emailing photos to another cell phone and the associated delay (sometimes 24 hours)?
I know the answer is to simply use a different phone and, obviously, I have made the choice to stick with the iPhone because it does so much so well. But outside of purchasing a phone capable of MMS how do you address the issues outlined above? I pose this in all sincerity and would like to hear your answer.
And I have a pretty thick skin. How would you like me to refer to you as a "whiner"? Again, I'd like to keep this debate adult and not revert to name calling.
Thanks!
Apologies if my tone was caustic. I wanted it to be, err, "strongly worded"
I suppose I should come out and say it, then: I have almost* nothing against MMS. If Apple adds it, I'll be neither glad nor sad.
When the flopyless iMac came out, this created a real problem for many people. Of course, they couldn't just tell their friends, "get on the Internet" and expect it to happen overnight. But happen it did.
The no-MMS situation will be embarrassing and inconvenient for a while. If you can stomach it, tell you friends that having email on their phones would be much cooler. They may justifiably tell you to go suck a doorknob, they're not buying a new phone. I think Apple is betting that eventually they will (perhaps from them! Perhaps with a .mac email!) and they're willing to take the complaints they get in the meantime.
The reason all the MMS talk bugs me is that like many other "I want it I want it I want it" themes on these forums, it sounds like those asking for it are
a) Asking the rest of US, like we have some say in it
b) implying that an MMS-less phone is somehow unusable or pathetic.
I've lived in metropolitan areas in Florida and Oregon for the past ten years. I've worked in the computer industry the whole time. I have many friends. I think I remember one single instance when someone sent me an MMS picture. I may not be a typical cellphone user for some reason, but I'm just finding it hard to imagine why not having MMS is such a huge defect.
* I said "almost" because adding features which may soon become obsolete isn't the best idea from a long-term design standpoint. I'm *happy* my MacBook Air doesn't have an optical drive; this forces me to use other, more advanced ways of sharing data and getting media. I'm not going to belabor this point, though, because it's definitely a personal preference.
This sounds like a technical problem... I'm not aware of any email service or client which delays emails like this. If I didn't get my emails minutes after they were sent, I'd be on the phone with someone's tech support!
I'd be quite used to it, as I have a reputation among my friends for being a whiner on many other things!
I suppose I should come out and say it, then: I have almost* nothing against MMS. If Apple adds it, I'll be neither glad nor sad.
When the flopyless iMac came out, this created a real problem for many people. Of course, they couldn't just tell their friends, "get on the Internet" and expect it to happen overnight. But happen it did.
The no-MMS situation will be embarrassing and inconvenient for a while. If you can stomach it, tell you friends that having email on their phones would be much cooler. They may justifiably tell you to go suck a doorknob, they're not buying a new phone. I think Apple is betting that eventually they will (perhaps from them! Perhaps with a .mac email!) and they're willing to take the complaints they get in the meantime.
The reason all the MMS talk bugs me is that like many other "I want it I want it I want it" themes on these forums, it sounds like those asking for it are
a) Asking the rest of US, like we have some say in it
b) implying that an MMS-less phone is somehow unusable or pathetic.
I've lived in metropolitan areas in Florida and Oregon for the past ten years. I've worked in the computer industry the whole time. I have many friends. I think I remember one single instance when someone sent me an MMS picture. I may not be a typical cellphone user for some reason, but I'm just finding it hard to imagine why not having MMS is such a huge defect.
* I said "almost" because adding features which may soon become obsolete isn't the best idea from a long-term design standpoint. I'm *happy* my MacBook Air doesn't have an optical drive; this forces me to use other, more advanced ways of sharing data and getting media. I'm not going to belabor this point, though, because it's definitely a personal preference.
This sounds like a technical problem... I'm not aware of any email service or client which delays emails like this. If I didn't get my emails minutes after they were sent, I'd be on the phone with someone's tech support!
I'd be quite used to it, as I have a reputation among my friends for being a whiner on many other things!
I want the MMS whiners to stop bitching because according to them, every other phone has MMS. Then go buy any other phone.
The iPhone has not had any features removed since the day it was announced. Nor has Apple promised any features that are not in the next firmware.
It sounds to me like 50 percent of iPhone buyers (due to the lack of MMS) bought the wrong phone for their needs.
Anyone familiar with Apple knows that they build products for themselves. The products they want to use, with the features they deem important. Still, I'm sure Apple has plans for new features, possibly even MMS.
You didn't buy a phone with WMV playback, Word and Excel editing, RIMM backend, TV streaming, GPS, 3G or MMS. But, you could have... So who's the one at fault? Apple or You?
All that said, I'd like to see MMS - but I did know what I was buying...
The iPhone has not had any features removed since the day it was announced. Nor has Apple promised any features that are not in the next firmware.
It sounds to me like 50 percent of iPhone buyers (due to the lack of MMS) bought the wrong phone for their needs.
Anyone familiar with Apple knows that they build products for themselves. The products they want to use, with the features they deem important. Still, I'm sure Apple has plans for new features, possibly even MMS.
You didn't buy a phone with WMV playback, Word and Excel editing, RIMM backend, TV streaming, GPS, 3G or MMS. But, you could have... So who's the one at fault? Apple or You?
All that said, I'd like to see MMS - but I did know what I was buying...
Same here. The new iphone looks great, however, no picture messaging is ****ing retarded.
I would feel pretty stupid shelling out hundreds of dollars for an iphone but couldnt recieve a picture from one of my friends.
Oh well, no iphone for me!
My sentiments exactly. The same goes for MMS with me. If its that important for you to send me a pic email it. All carriers allow you to email from your phone. Look how long it took T-Mobile to actually allow MMS on the SK.
Have you thought about it the other way around? I think the Apple way of looking at it would be: They can't receive your pictures
The thing has Push mail. It can do rich html emails. Large attachments including pictures. Your non-3G iPhone friends are the ones that can't receive your 3G iPhone email attachments. And they shell money out for the phone they haven't and it can't do email? or full internet?
Who needs overprices MMS when you've got full blown desktop in your backpocket?
I understand your point but on the other side, if you want to email some else's phone, do you quickly off the top of your head know all of the carriers MMS email extensions?? Seriously don't you think MMS, with video recording would be worth an Apple App??? Or do you just want to play the role of the gumpy antaginist, that walks 5 miles uphill in the snow barefoot to get to school, who needs a car??? damn these kids now a days role????
Have you thought about it the other way around? I think the Apple way of looking at it would be: They can't receive your pictures
The thing has Push mail. It can do rich html emails. Large attachments including pictures. Your non-3G iPhone friends are the ones that can't receive your 3G iPhone email attachments. And they shell money out for the phone they haven't and it can't do email? or full internet?
Who needs overprices MMS when you've got full blown desktop in your backpocket?
The phone simply does not meet my needs. I only know one or two people that have phones with email. So paying hundreds of dollars to alienate myself from the non emailers doesnt make sense for me. Yeah, the phone is awesome...maybe one day I will get one...but not now.