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iPod Zune Out

hulugu said:
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Basically I was more interested with the DRM side of the Zune with the wireless Zune to Zune copying and the subscription side of the whole Zune thing.

I kept coming up with articles in my "DRM on the Zune" search in Google and Yahoo! to do more with the fact that the DRM on the Zune is very similiar to the "DRM" on the Sony laptops a few years back.

When you see what the Zune can do it stands to reason that there would have to be some substancial control on the behalf of Microsoft. You are renting music from them and therefore Microsoft will want to know what you are listen to and copying other Zune for marketing purposes and copyright (yay DRM).

Personally it doesn't surprise me if we see another "DRM" legal battle within the next few months to do with the Zune because after all who came to Sony's aid with the rootkit debarkle and who doesn't have a great track record when it comes to ethical business practice? Microsoft ;)
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Basically I was more interested with the DRM side of the Zune with the wireless Zune to Zune copying and the subscription side of the whole Zune thing.

I kept coming up with articles in my "DRM on the Zune" search in Google and Yahoo! to do more with the fact that the DRM on the Zune is very similiar to the "DRM" on the Sony laptops a few years back.

When you see what the Zune can do it stands to reason that there would have to be some substancial control on the behalf of Microsoft. You are renting music from them and therefore Microsoft will want to know what you are listen to and copying other Zune for marketing purposes and copyright (yay DRM).

Personally it doesn't surprise me if we see another "DRM" legal battle within the next few months to do with the Zune because after all who came to Sony's aid with the rootkit debarkle and who doesn't have a great track record when it comes to ethical business practice? Microsoft ;)
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M$ sure has missteps, and seems they are correcting it, in progress,
and this by no means should lead to a impression that Apple DRM is doing anything better. restricting users is not something that only done by M$, apple does the same, its just another DRM vs DRM, and Im not going to endorse any of them, I bought a song, I should be able to play it anywhere, no matter where I got it, itunes store, or Zune marketplace. in the case, neither of them is doing anything good.
 
shunpike said:
Black, Brown and White Zune sales have plummeted to 15th, 60th and 160th respectively ... It really died quickly.
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At present time the ONLY zune reported in the amazon top 100 is the black one in 49th position. No more Zunes in the first 100 places. The sandisk has a better position. It will quietly die in the next few months...
 
appleintelrock said:
why is it sooo hard for people to admit that at present time- the zune is better then the ipod- if only by a little?
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oh dear!

do you seriously think that? you are telling me that you would buy a zune over an ipod.

oh dear oh dear (to quote the chuckle brothers)
 
I was considering getting a zune. I think the bugs with DRM will be fixed soon enough. BUT, when I saw it in person, it is a friggin huge brick. To quote from Duece Bigalow: "That's a big B**ch!" I doubt it would fit in my pocket. I think the brown looks better in the pics than in person. Side by side, you can really see how much more sleek the ipod is.

So, I won't be buying the german tank version of the Zune. If Microsoft didn't shoot themselves in the foot, I am sure the next gens will be much more sleek looking.
 
The trim around the Zune screen and circular button is so ugly and unnecessary. I think it looks ugly. And Microsoft should have aimed for a form factor closer to the nano if they really wanted to take on Apple. But they suffer from the same missteps as other competitors... they focused on adding too many useless features, and not on the user experience and design.

No self-respecting person would carry around a Zune when there are choices such as the iPod shuffle and nano. I'm not sure targeting just at Windows geeks will be all that successful.
 
The people at best buy have no idea what they are talking about.

I mean, I was asking if it would work with my iTunes music and my mac, and the guy told me "Yeah.... But macs suck anyway. Go with a windows machine."
 
spicyapple said:
No self-respecting person would carry around a Zune when there are choices such as the iPod shuffle and nano. I'm not sure targeting just at Windows geeks will be all that successful.
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And this is exactly why the very nano-like Sandisk models are selling better than Zune at Amazon.

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nitynate said:
The people at best buy have no idea what they are talking about.

I mean, I was asking if it would work with my iTunes music and my mac, and the guy told me "Yeah.... But macs suck anyway. Go with a windows machine."
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you'd better ignore them. everytime I go to there, employees don't seem to know much about their products as much as I do. so I explain the whole thing they never know before. then they wonder. Zune is the same. they don't have enough knowledge on this. it's very negative point when customers ask. that's why zune was left cold during black friday sale.
 
archurban said:
you'd better ignore them. everytime I go to there, employees don't seem to know much about their products as much as I do. so I explain the whole thing they never know before. then they wonder. Zune is the same. they don't have enough knowledge on this. it's very negative point when customers ask. that's why zune was left cold during black friday sale.
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It would really suck if those not so bright employees spread false rumors about the Zune, like saying you can share songs wirelessly, whithout mentioning all the small print (only DRM, only 3 days) or go about the FM transmitter (which sucks) or the widescreen (which is just full screen and same res as iPod)
Not to mention saying something like "Zune Marketplace is like iTMS only better and you pay 20 cents less per song, and you can have an unlimited subscription.

I hope people get the message that the Zune is not as good as described above.
 
Macnoviz said:
It would really suck if those not so bright employees spread false rumors about the Zune, like saying you can share songs wirelessly, whithout mentioning all the small print (only DRM, only 3 days) or go about the FM transmitter (which sucks) or the widescreen (which is just full screen and same res as iPod)
Not to mention saying something like "Zune Marketplace is like iTMS only better and you pay 20 cents less per song, and you can have an unlimited subscription.

I hope people get the message that the Zune is not as good as described above.
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Of course, even if employees got people to buy Zunes by misstating the features, I doubt we'd have too many repeat customers; either that, or a whole lotta returns. ;)
 
hulugu said:
There are just a few people who disagree with you:

David Pogue of the NYT.
Walter Mossberg of the WSJ.
Engadget.

Just to name a few.
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Walter Mossberg has become very Pro-Apple in the last few years. The Zune isn't betterthen the ipod- however it does offer some different features.
 
appleintelrock said:
just picked up a zune at target. if i don't like it- i'll get an 8gb nano
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Masochist. ;)

appleintelrock said:
Walter Mossberg has become very Pro-Apple in the last few years. The Zune isn't betterthen the ipod- however it does offer some different features.
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Mossberg, Pogue, Engadget, are just a few people who didn't like it. The software seems especially problematic.
 
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