Samsung Stepping Up Attacks on 'Free Riding' Apple in Patent Dispute

[Tiggs]

Interesting how it seems to keep escalating between the two. Seems like will take 5-10+ years to sort out all the mess and the only winners will be the lawyers.

 

[LoganCircle]

I hear samsung hired this guy to be their defense attorney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNCrMEOqHpc&feature=related

 

[apolloa]

And what makes you say that? Or are you referring solely to x86 tablets?

I guess so s they are the only ones I've read about? As I understand it the Arm CPU's can't run Windows apps, so for the moment they have used Core i5's etc. But if you have a link about some cheaper Windows 8 tab's I would like to have a read?

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Before accusing Samsung of copying anything you may want to learn the differences between Samsung's actual handsets (especially as the picture you made your Galaxy S II judgement on says "Galaxy Ace").

The Galaxy S II and iPhone have many, many differences. Below is my wife's (grubby) iPhone 4 and my GSII. How anyone would confuse the two is beyond me.

Now now, we shall have none of that common sense factual evidence on here sir!

 

[kdarling]

Just to make things more interesting:

Verizon has submitted an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief to the court about the US Apple v. Samsung case.

They claim that they and the public will suffer extensive damages if Apple's request for a Samsung sales injunction is granted, because Samsung makes several of their most popular LTE devices... especially with the holidays coming up.

They add that they think that monetary damages make more sense, instead of sales injunctions, if / when it is determined that Samsung violated any Apple patents.

The legal brief can be read here.

 

[Glideslope]

Just to make things more interesting:

Verizon has submitted an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief to the court about the US Apple v. Samsung case.

They claim that they and the public will suffer extensive damages if Apple's request for a Samsung sales injunction is granted, because Samsung makes several of their most popular LTE devices... especially with the holidays coming up.

They add that they think that monetary damages make more sense, instead of sales injunctions, if / when it is determined that Samsung violated any Apple patents.

The legal brief can be read here.

Nice. Substituting Politics for Intelligence. Yup, we are Americans (Vodafone is 49%.)

 

[KingCrimson]

Just to make things more interesting:

Verizon has submitted an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief to the court about the US Apple v. Samsung case.

They claim that they and the public will suffer extensive damages if Apple's request for a Samsung sales injunction is granted, because Samsung makes several of their most popular LTE devices... especially with the holidays coming up.

They add that they think that monetary damages make more sense, instead of sales injunctions, if / when it is determined that Samsung violated any Apple patents.

The legal brief can be read here.

Right is right. Samsung can't be allowed to get away with IP theft. If they are allowed, then that smashes all IP protections for everyone. People are just latching onto Samsung because they hate Apple.

 

[kdarling]

Right is right. Samsung can't be allowed to get away with IP theft. If they are allowed, then that smashes all IP protections for everyone. People are just latching onto Samsung because they hate Apple.

Did you read the brief before commenting? No one's talking about getting away with IP theft.

Verizon explicitly says that they: believe in IP protection, are not taking sides, and think that any infringement should require a penalty payment.

However, since the most likely patent infringement would only cover a very small part of a Samsung phone's functionality, their stand is that it doesn't make any sense to stop importation of the entire device.

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(Smart Apple fans should take the same legal stance. Should iPhones be banned if they violate any Samsung patent? Or should they simply have to pay a royalty?)

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Anyone here who remembers 2007 will know why Verizon is doing this. That was when Broadcom won an ITC injunction against importing phones with Qualcomm parts. Yikes. That meant Verizon would have almost no new phones to sell for months. In the end, Verizon themselves made a royalty deal with Broadcom in order to get phones into the USA.

I'm sure they want to avoid a similar situation, especially with the LTE network being so new and the holidays coming up.

 

[Dbrown]

Right is right. Samsung can't be allowed to get away with IP theft. If they are allowed, then that smashes all IP protections for everyone. People are just latching onto Samsung because they hate Apple.

Isn't apple using Samsung's wireless IP without paying for it?

 

[Dr McKay]

Again, on the basis of standards-essential patents.

The interesting thing is, is that Samsung is under a preliminary injunction via Dutch courts.

They have until Oct. 3 or so to comply, or alter the offending element in their product(s). Have they done that yet?

What "offending element"?

The element that it's a rectangle with a large screen? I guess they'll have to release it in the shape of a triangle and remove any icons from Android before Apple are completely satisfied.

Other companies would kill for that. Seems only Apple is able to pull off the kinds of products that have earned them a "cult" following, or whatever you'd like to call it.

How come no one else can pull off this sort of thing?

Because it was Apple presenting the iPhone at that keynote in 2007, not Acer, not Samsung, not HP.

Because it was Apple presenting the iPad at that keynote in 2010, not Acer, not Samsung, not HP.

And after both events, look at the industry today.

Yes, Apple has a "cult" following (and has had one for a very long time, well before their power in mobile) because they do tech like no one else. Which is true by default, because no one else has a vertical business model like Apple does. No one else cares to do the whole widget.

Apple manages to differentiate themselves from the also rans, so naturally, they're going to get a different result - both in terms of product strength and consumer response.

That's all there is to it.

Thats because if any company other than Apple had gone on stage in 2007 to show off a phone, with those incredibly meagre specs, and announced it cost as much as it did, they've have been laughed off the stage, Apple seems to be the only company who can release things that people would never buy from anyone else.

Imagine if HTC had taken to the stage and said:

"Here is our new phone, it's slow as hell. No you can't install any applications on it. The camera is only 2 Megapixels, it can't shoot video, it doesnt make video calls. No it can't send files via bluetooth. You need to plug it into your computer every time you want it to do something. And it's only $500!

Apple actually won the PC war.

Let's put things a different way, if 90% of the worlds computers ran OS X, and only about 6-7% were running Windows, Windows would have "won the PC war" if they had a few surveys saying that customer satisfaction was higher?

 

[kdarling]

What "offending element"?

He's referring to the single Apple patent that the Netherlands court said Samsung infringed, which has to do with bounceback while flicking between photos.

Samsung said they'd modify their Gallery app before the injunction date so that sales would never have to pause. They still have a little over a week to do so.

 

[KingCrimson]

He's referring to the single Apple patent that the Netherlands court said Samsung infringed, which has to do with bounceback while flicking between photos.

Samsung said they'd modify their Gallery app before the injunction date so that sales would never have to pause. They still have a little over a week to do so.

Outrageous stuff. Apple dominates the profits in mobile industry(66% last quarter) and that's not enough.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Let's put things a different way, if 90% of the worlds computers ran OS X, and only about 6-7% were running Windows, Windows would have "won the PC war" if they had a few surveys saying that customer satisfaction was higher?

Now you're understanding LTD logic.

 

[kockgunner]

You'd have to be disingenuous to say those two phones look anything alike. I doubt Samsung waits to see what the next iWhatever looks like and then copy design cues from it.

You'd have to be disingenuous to say those two phones don't very similar. It looked really similar in person too as it has the same scale and interface elements as the iPhone.

Of course you could argue that it won't confuse buyers, which is probably correct. In fact, I don't see how any rip off product can confuse anyone from buying the real thing. But still, ripping off other companies' designs is really unprofessional and it's really getting old, especially when it's more than a few of the offerings from one company.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Interesting how it seems to keep escalating between the two. Seems like will take 5-10+ years to sort out all the mess and the only winners will be the lawyers.

Apple has their own lawyers and I'm sure Samsung does as well. When you're that big you don't hire a firm to work for you, you have your own legal department.

 

[MacinDoc]

Thats because if any company other than Apple had gone on stage in 2007 to show off a phone, with those incredibly meagre specs, and announced it cost as much as it did, they've have been laughed off the stage, Apple seems to be the only company who can release things that people would never buy from anyone else.

Imagine if HTC had taken to the stage and said:

"Here is our new phone, it's slow as hell. No you can't install any applications on it. The camera is only 2 Megapixels, it can't shoot video, it doesnt make video calls. No it can't send files via bluetooth. You need to plug it into your computer every time you want it to do something. And it's only $500!

You forgot to mention the (at the time) incredible screen and the previously unheard-of (in a phone) capacitative multitouch user interface, and for that matter, the high capacity (for the time) and the built-in iPod functionality. As if any company would announce how its products were inferior to its competitors. The original iPhone revolutionized the whole smartphone paradigm - look at what smartphones and their OSs looked before the iPhone and after it.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

He's referring to the single Apple patent that the Netherlands court said Samsung infringed, which has to do with bounceback while flicking between photos.

Samsung said they'd modify their Gallery app before the injunction date so that sales would never have to pause. They still have a little over a week to do so.

which means in simplier terms *LTD* was trying to make a huge deal out of nothing.
Samsung will release the update on the last possible day. That is pretty SOP for most companies on just about anything.

 

[QuarterSwede]

You forgot to mention the (at the time) incredible screen and the previously unheard-of (in a phone) capacitative multitouch user interface, and for that matter, the high capacity (for the time) and the built-in iPod functionality. As if any company would announce how its products were inferior to its competitors. The original iPhone revolutionized the whole smartphone paradigm - look at what smartphones and their OSs looked before the iPhone and after it.

That and it was very well integrated with OS X and iTunes. That is what sold the phone for me and a lot of others that I knew.

 

[KingCrimson]

Now you're understanding LTD logic.

No, *LTD* logic is thus:

OS/X only has 7% marketshare because Windows users are too scared to switch to a new platform, not because they love Microsoft or Windows. But in the case of Apple, people LOVE their iPhone/iPad/Mac/OS X. People actively love Apple and fear MSFT.

 

[damant]

yup Samsung sure is "stepping up the attacks" now...

here's an example
http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/24/oh-samsung-you-are-making-this-too-easy/

sure...if you can't fight them, joint them or copy the hell out of them ?
woooow ....really!!!!

 

[KingCrimson]

yup Samsung sure is "stepping up the attacks" now...

here's an example
http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/24/oh-samsung-you-are-making-this-too-easy/

sure...if you can't fight them, joint them or copy the hell out of them ?
woooow ....really!!!!

Yeah Samsung should make it triangular or something right?

 

[Savor]

You forgot to mention the (at the time) incredible screen and the previously unheard-of (in a phone) capacitative multitouch user interface, and for that matter, the high capacity (for the time) and the built-in iPod functionality. As if any company would announce how its products were inferior to its competitors. The original iPhone revolutionized the whole smartphone paradigm - look at what smartphones and their OSs looked before the iPhone and after it.

Yup. And when Oct 4th arrives and Apple announces a 4-inch screen for their latest iPhone, people will be rejoicing like it is something new again. Apple being part of the 4-inch club for a phone after over 4 years and 5 generations? Welcome to 2009, Apple.

Only Apple loves to brag about they invented everything or talk about sales during their keynotes. Microsoft doesn't boast about the 450M Windows 7 sold the way Apple does with their 200M iTunes accounts.

 

[KingCrimson]

Yup. And when Oct 4th arrives and Apple announces a 4-inch screen for their latest iPhone, people will be rejoicing like it is something new again. Apple being part of the 4-inch club for a phone after over 4 years and 5 generations? Welcome to 2009, Apple.

Only Apple loves to brag about they invented everything or talk about sales during their keynotes. Microsoft doesn't boast about the 450M Windows 7 sold the way Apple does with their 200M iTunes accounts.

MSFT does announce the latest Windows 7 sales # at very conference. I don't see how Apple harps on the # of iTunes accounts any more then just announcing it.

 

[Abazigal]

Yup. And when Oct 4th arrives and Apple announces a 4-inch screen for their latest iPhone, people will be rejoicing like it is something new again. Apple being part of the 4-inch club for a phone after over 4 years and 5 generations? Welcome to 2009, Apple.

Only Apple loves to brag about they invented everything or talk about sales during their keynotes. Microsoft doesn't boast about the 450M Windows 7 sold the way Apple does with their 200M iTunes accounts.

The reason why windows sold as many copies as it did was because it came bundled with every PC, so each consumer would get a copy regardless of whether they wanted one or not. It would be like a transportation systems monopoly boasting that millions of people use its services everyday. Like we have a choice?

When you consider that everyone who buys an apple product would be getting one entirely of their own volition, rather than have it forced down their throat, then yes, I feel the sales volume would be something to brag about, especially with them costing what they do.

 

[KingCrimson]

The reason why windows sold as many copies as it did was because it came bundled with every PC, so each consumer would get a copy regardless of whether they wanted one or not. It would be like a transportation systems monopoly boasting that millions of people use its services everyday. Like we have a choice?

When you consider that everyone who buys an apple product would be getting one entirely of their own volition, rather than have it forced down their throat, then yes, I feel the sales volume would be something to brag about, especially with them costing what they do.

That's a big assumption you make that people are forced to buy Windows. How do you know that?

 

[darster]

Apple is trying to stop Samsung for one simple reason. Samsung has LTE devices, Apple does not. The longer it can delay Samsung from becoming the dominant LTE device maker, the better chance it has at becoming the dominant LTE device maker. It's simple, Apple doesn't have any LTE device. So put roadblocks in front of everyone else until they do have one. It's big business, and big business is ugly and nasty. And that is why verizon is now fighting Apple.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393533,00.asp#fbid=47wwyUy7Iun