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Popeye206

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Who even gives a s*** what happened at this meeting? :apple:

Ahh... I do. :) I think high-tech (and Apple) are very important to the US economy. These companies have billions of dollars at their disposal and the ability to create thousands of jobs. I think it should be important to our president elect as well as important to these companies to have a voice in what happens of the next 4-8 years.

Plus, these companies are key to our security in the future and Trump could use some good advice from companies like Apple on how to secure our digital boarders better. It's pretty obvious from the past most politicians and Trump need help understanding how things work in this area.

I think Trump has many policies and directions right, but he won't "nail it" without good support and input from industry leaders that know the details of the issues. All good... but we'll have to wait and see when the rubber hits the road.
 

bbeagle

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Oct 19, 2010
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Tim Cook, the guy who is a liberal to protect his gay rights and a conservative to protect Apples hidden cash abroad. Tim wants his cake and eat it too.

Nobody is 100% conservative or 100% liberal. Everyone is somewhere in-between.

Just because I believe in abortions in certain cases the republican party doesn't like does not make me automatically believe that guns should be outlawed. People can choose what they are for and against, and they do not have to toe a party line.
 

melendezest

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Donald, shut the **** up about anything other than real estate. Stop dragging people to courts, stop destroying people's livelihoods when they're in your way, pay your bills even when suppliers can't afford taking you to court, stop ripping people off through bankruptcies. Stop being a petty narcissistic pig who can't keep his hands off women's body parts. Stop insulting the parents of soldiers who died for their country.

Hahaha, he's the POTUS now (I just threw up in my mouth a little).

He has a GLOBAL platform now. This is going to get real interesting.
 

AppleFan360

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You can be conservative and not think the government should interfere with gay people's private lives. And yes, they ARE private lives and none of your business.
They become my business when they shove their lifestyle in my face and tell me I MUST accept it. Live and let live. Just don't tell others how they must think about how you live.
 

dk001

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Oct 3, 2014
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His writing skills are even duller and more poorly articulated than the canned presentation nonsense he attempts to deliver at a Keynote. If being articulate were a requirement to run Apple he never would have been in the running.

Gil Amelio is more articulate; and that's sad. For example using affect and positive, twice in the same short sentence is one example of an inarticulate and painful style of prose.

When I read his "memo", I garnered the impression he was attempting to say nothing and make it sound like something. ;)
 

unobtainium

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Mar 27, 2011
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As does $4 billion of net worth. How many billion are you worth? Or your guy Obama or your gal Hillary? Or Bernie? I mean since you are throwing it out there how he is such a "failed" business man just wondering what number means you have not failed in business?

On topic though it would make since for Cook to talk/work with Trump and see about getting some tax breaks for Apple and bringing back some lost $$ and jobs to the US.
How do you know his net worth?

The clown has refused to release his taxes. What do you think he's hiding?
 

Three141

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Jan 1, 2016
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In my personal life I choose who I associate with but in work you deal with who's there.

What Tim's is saying makes sense and what I would expect.
 
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AppleFan360

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In what way is it being shoved in your face, just out of interest?

It's forced on us everyday both in media and court rulings. Just the media alone is getting bad about injecting the lifestyle into TV shows and movies for the sake of being politically correct ... and before you ask, yes, I do turn off the TV when I see crap like that.

The lifestyle is also taking shape in our laws. I don't have any issue if two people of the same sex want to share their life but changing the definition of marriage is not how it should be done. Marriage from a biblical standpoint is between and man and a women. Period. Should be called more like civil union or something like that with all the same privileges of a marriage under the law. Forcing a church to perform gay marriages is just stupid. Also don't even get me started about the bakeries who refuse to do cakes for gay marriages then end up shutting their doors. The LGBT community do NOT get to decide what the owners of those businesses should be doing. It's their business and they run them as they see fit.

Oh, and lets not forget the immediate response of being called a bigot. That one really cracks me up since it has hypocrisy written all over it. Sounds really great from someone who insists on inclusiveness but at the same time places people in groups of "deplorables". That's basically discrimination. As I said before, live and let live, just don't tell me how I should feel about it and we will get along just fine.
 

sbailey4

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Dec 5, 2011
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And, of course that's all that matters isn't it?

If the criteria for a good leader is wealth, why did we settle for this pauper? he's way behind Warren Buffet and Bill Gates and a few hundred others, and some of them may even have a soul.
No actually it has nothing at all to do with it. Certainly not ALL that matters. My point was to the other poster spewing what a failed business man he was which is total rhetoric. But since you mentioned it, I would say someone who was successful in business/economics MAY happen to know how to do the same for our government who seems to not know how to manage money since the dept has doubled in 8 years. (I know I know, some how you guys have this special calculator that figures that 20 trillion is 2/3 less than 9 trillion.) but that is another topic.
 

darkpaw

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Sep 13, 2007
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Cute story bro. Except Trump (the guy in charge) has publicly said he doesn't care if you are gay or strait as long as you do good job. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...lgbt-community-donald-trump-is-not-your-enemy
I didn't say anything about The Donald. I'm saying that the administration is going to be staffed with people who will happily remove rights from LGBT people. The Republicans aren't exactly known for embracing the LGBT section of the country. Aren't there recent examples of Republicans voting for discrimination against LGBT people? From April 2015. Just sayin'.
 

Larry-K

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I didn't say anything about The Donald. I'm saying that the administration is going to be staffed with people who will happily remove rights from LGBT people. The Republicans aren't exactly known for embracing the LGBT section of the country. Aren't there recent examples of Republicans voting for discrimination against LGBT people? From April 2015. Just sayin'.
Yeah, but don't worry, at the rate he's going, we'll all be dead from flooding, coal dust, bad water and air, or Chinese nukes.
 

Larry-K

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No actually it has nothing at all to do with it. Certainly not ALL that matters. My point was to the other poster spewing what a failed business man he was which is total rhetoric. But since you mentioned it, I would say someone who was successful in business/economics MAY happen to know how to do the same for our government who seems to not know how to manage money since the dept has doubled in 8 years. (I know I know, some how you guys have this special calculator that figures that 20 trillion is 2/3 less than 9 trillion.) but that is another topic.
By some estimates, his inherited wealth would have made more in an index fund, so I'm not willing to cut him any slack, since he's revealed exactly nothing to the contrary.

He did have to file a government form declaring the $40K or so, he misappropriated (stole) from his charitable foundation for a couple of portraits, and apparently indicated their were further misuses of funds to be revealed in the future, probably the $250 Million he funneled to some of his money losing businesses, but this has not been confirmed yet.

If you're a billionaire, why steal $40K? For two portraits of yourself? Is that leadership? It's so petty. Wasn't he the one chastising "Crooked" Hillary over her foundation? If you live in a glass house, it's best to keep your rocks to yourself.

He may or may not be a failed businessman, but it's pretty obvious he's a failed human. When asked why he was running for president, he said it was because he cared so much about Americans, yet there's virtually no evidence of him enriching anyone other than himself and his spawn.

Read up on his antics in New Jersey. If you do, and afterwards you still think he's a great businessman, then expect the ghost of his dad to show up with bags of casino chips, to bail him out at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., like he did in Atlantic City.

As for $20 trillion, Yeah, Bush left things in such good shape, and Congress was so helpful. The president doesn't spend money that hasn't been allocated by congress, he can't, so if you want to pin the whole thing on the "Black Guy", you're just perpetuating a time honored American tradition.

Now buckle up, there's a pretty good chance we're all going to hell in the fast-lane. That's what happens when you hire help with no experience.
 

sbailey4

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Dec 5, 2011
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As for $20 trillion, Yeah, Bush left things in such good shape, and Congress was so helpful. The president doesn't spend money that hasn't been allocated by congress, he can't, so if you want to pin the whole thing on the "Black Guy", you're just perpetuating a time honored American tradition.
No one said anything about the "Black Guy" but of course some of you guys make everything about race. It didn't happen because he happened to be black but because of his policies. If he happened to be a "White Guy" and had the same policies it would have worked out exactly the same so nice try. Doesn't change the fact that between George Washington and George W Bush we racked up $9 trillion and Obama's administration managed to turn it into $20 trillion during his term(s) alone. Anyway it is what it is and we can only hope that Trump can reel things back in. Maybe he will maybe he wont but only time will tell. But he deserves the same chance that Obama had.
 

Cloudane

macrumors 68000
Aug 6, 2007
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Sweet Apple Acres
It's forced on us everyday both in media and court rulings. Just the media alone is getting bad about injecting the lifestyle into TV shows and movies for the sake of being politically correct ... and before you ask, yes, I do turn off the TV when I see crap like that.

So you're upset at what, gay people existing in TV and movies? The horror!

You say "live and let live" but it seems to be more like "live how you want as long as it's behind closed doors and I never have to see it" to me, which is not exactly uh... letting live. Because you have to coexist with people who you let live, and every now and then you're going to see them. All people want is to be represented now and again, they're not asking for the entire cast of everything that exists to be gay.

I don't understand why homophobes get so upset about being called homophobic. You can't stand the sight of, let's say, two people of the same gender kissing on TV - and have to turn it off - then I'm sorry if you dislike being called what you are, but that is by definition homophobic. You sound quite proud of it. So why does it matter?

And yes, wanting to deny people rights and freedoms is bigoted. Again, bigotry is a simple definition of what you represent. And I'm the bigoted one because I think people should be free to do what they want including say, writing in a gay kiss in television? I don't think religious people should be banned, or depictions of churches banned from TV, yet that's the equivalent of what you seem to be after. In fact I'm all for religious freedom, including the rights of churches to decide whether or not to marry a gay couple.... which incidentally they still have. It's just no longer a blanket illegality. It's increased freedom. You know - the thing bigots oppose. I'm sorry you don't like being called exactly the things you are.
 

AppleFan360

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Jan 26, 2008
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So you're upset at what, gay people existing in TV and movies? The horror!

You say "live and let live" but it seems to be more like "live how you want as long as it's behind closed doors and I never have to see it" to me, which is not exactly uh... letting live. Because you have to coexist with people who you let live, and every now and then you're going to see them. All people want is to be represented now and again, they're not asking for the entire cast of everything that exists to be gay.

I don't understand why homophobes get so upset about being called homophobic. You can't stand the sight of, let's say, two people of the same gender kissing on TV - and have to turn it off - then I'm sorry if you dislike being called what you are, but that is by definition homophobic. You sound quite proud of it. So why does it matter?

And yes, wanting to deny people rights and freedoms is bigoted. Again, bigotry is a simple definition of what you represent. And I'm the bigoted one because I think people should be free to do what they want including say, writing in a gay kiss in television? I don't think religious people should be banned, or depictions of churches banned from TV, yet that's the equivalent of what you seem to be after. In fact I'm all for religious freedom, including the rights of churches to decide whether or not to marry a gay couple.... which incidentally they still have. It's just no longer a blanket illegality. It's increased freedom. You know - the thing bigots oppose. I'm sorry you don't like being called exactly the things you are.

Gee, what a surprise answer. I never said that I would deny anyone their rights. All I simply said was I don't have to look at it or accept it as something I agree with. If that's your definition of a bigot, then so be it but just remember that you hypocrisy shows when you label someone like that.
 

lowendlinux

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Sep 24, 2014
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Gee, what a surprise answer. I never said that I would deny anyone their rights. All I simply said was I don't have to look at it or accept it as something I agree with. If that's your definition of a bigot, then so be it but just remember that you hypocrisy shows when you label someone like that.

It's because you are marriage is marriage whether it's between male and female or two people of the same gender. Separate but equal isn't equal even in marriage
 

Cloudane

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Aug 6, 2007
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Sweet Apple Acres
Gee, what a surprise answer. I never said that I would deny anyone their rights. All I simply said was I don't have to look at it or accept it as something I agree with. If that's your definition of a bigot, then so be it but just remember that you hypocrisy shows when you label someone like that.

Well, I'm glad you're not too surprised that acting bigoted gets you called one :)

Look, I have no problem with people whose beliefs disagree with it, for example - I actually have a good friend who's deeply religious and believes that it's a sin etc. The difference is he doesn't go around complaining that it's being "shoved in muh face!" when there's a gay couple on TV. It's more of an "it's wrong to my religion but I accept that it's a religion and therefore not wrong to other who don't believe in that religion and respect those people" - which is fine.
 

AppleFan360

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Well, I'm glad you're not too surprised that acting bigoted gets you called one :)

Look, I have no problem with people whose beliefs disagree with it, for example - I actually have a good friend who's deeply religious and believes that it's a sin etc. The difference is he doesn't go around complaining that it's being "shoved in muh face!" when there's a gay couple on TV. It's more of an "it's wrong to my religion but I accept that it's a religion and therefore not wrong to other who don't believe in that religion and respect those people" - which is fine.

Ah I see, so because I feel that way and complain it automatically means I don't respect anyone yet you continue to insist on labeling people as bigots which by definition is showing disrespect. Are you listening to yourself?
 

Larry-K

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No one said anything about the "Black Guy" but of course some of you guys make everything about race. It didn't happen because he happened to be black but because of his policies. If he happened to be a "White Guy" and had the same policies it would have worked out exactly the same so nice try. Doesn't change the fact that between George Washington and George W Bush we racked up $9 trillion and Obama's administration managed to turn it into $20 trillion during his term(s) alone. Anyway it is what it is and we can only hope that Trump can reel things back in. Maybe he will maybe he wont but only time will tell. But he deserves the same chance that Obama had.
Bush wasn't the "White Guy" he was the "Dumb Guy", and if you think the effects of his administration came to a screeching halt the moment he left office... well, come on, be real. He set the damn world on fire for all practical purposes, and you complain when the Democratic (Not Black, you happy?) President has to address the issues with a leaky bucket.

I guess you conveniently forgot the two rounds of tax cuts for the wealthy that Cheney suckered Bush into, or the Great Recession brought about by the Republican Congress kicking the legs out from under sensible regulation earlier in the century, and then doing nothing to regulate CDOs. Oh, and I almost forgot those Wars, they were free weren't they (can you really put a cost on bringing Democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, it all went so well)? They certainly didn't cost the NeoCons that instigated them anything. These things didn't just happen, they were manufactured by the Republicans, just like the heavily Gerrymandered districts that let Trump win.

The first two years of Obama's administration had the worst deficits and they steadily declined till this year. Maybe you'd like to give him credit for bringing the deficits down, but you'd be wrong to do that too, The President can't spend money unless congress allocates it, that hasn't changed, read the Constitution. Sure, you can do a lot of stupid things like Bush did, that go on in perpetuity, and have to be paid for.

Look at where the money goes, I presume you can read a pie chart, you won't see "The President's Pocket" (something you probably won't be able to say in 4 years) as a significant slice. Congress spent the money, got a gripe, take it up with those A**Hats.

Republicans always whine about deficits, and then do everything they can to create them. If Trump has his way, they'll soar, and as always the middle class will get screwed.

Who are "You Guys"? People with good educations, productive jobs, that pay their taxes (listen up Donald) people who've read the Constitution, believe in it's premise, and treat people fairly. Gosh, what awful people, don't worry, Trump will have us all waterboarded, or tweet us to death with his Fourth Grade vocabulary and his tiny little hands.

The Republicans made it all about race, that's why it's ObamaCare and not RomneyCare. For all practical purposes, Obama governed from the right of Nixon, yet he's a "Socialist". Maybe the Republicans weren't aware he was black, but that didn't stop them from piling racial epithets on him, anybody ask to see Trump's birth certificate? Anybody question his "Christianity" (it's not "2 Corinthians" Don, it's "Second Corinthians", even atheists know that).

They should be proud of their bigotry, and wear it like a badge of dishonor, they have a constitutional right to, but they won't because they're hypocrites and cowards, so they just say they're not being "Politically Correct".

Like I said, Buckle up, you got your dream, but you may be begging to wake-up in a couple of years.
 
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