aussie_geek said:
hmmm... bundling iTunes music with UnWired service packages ?? to face off iBurst competition... or something else? ..my lateral thinking has just jammed..
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hmmm... bundling iTunes music with UnWired service packages ?? to face off iBurst competition... or something else? ..my lateral thinking has just jammed..
They might just pay the royalties on each song, buy the CDs to supply with the iPod, or buy the CDs and throw them out. I doubt Apple would let the radio station know about a not-yet-announced service and let them use that knowledge for a publicized giveaway.GregA said:They are also offering prizes of an iPod with all 2005 songs preloaded. To do that, they must have a legal way of putting the songs on... So I'm leaning towards this rumour being real
GregA: Why don't you call them and ask?
I have learned a little more, I just signed up with them and put in a few entries for the iPod.Doctor Q said:
And in the fine print:
So the prize is a $350 cheque plus an iPod. Hopefully there will be a music service at that time to download to the iPod from.
Ah well we will see.
kenaustus said:
We are actually very close to the Aussies with regards to our music licencing arrangements so i would imagine that if iTMS took off in OZ that it would be over here shortly afterwards. NZ actually has its first legal download site curently operating but it is not iPod compatible.
http://www.digirama.co.nz/
~Shard~ said:Hmm, it would make sense for it to be someone currently in Sydney... hmm... oh, how about you!
I'll be in "merry old England" until the 15th...
Crickey, even as an Aussie I'd be hard pressed listening to more then a few didgeridoo songs! Believe it or not we even got electricity installed down here in Australia last year, so now we get the full music range!JoePike said:
appleguy said:Lets see Sydney is big everyhting is spread out, Plus when I was in Sydney for 3 weeks it done nothing but rain entire time I was there.And temps of about 30 so I was sweeting like a pig. (do pigs sweet
Any lets see it (itms) come to us down here
Well you'll like Sydney now. We're in the middle of a huge drought with no end in sight, broad water usage restrictions in force, and record low dam levels. Not a whole lot of trouble with excess rain
Under 149 cents I say
After looking at Telstra's music download prices - -$1.89 per song, Apple will be definately under that - -I am thinking $1.49 each or maybe less. For Apple to have an impact they have to beat the providors here in Australia and make the buyer here feell like they are getting a bargain.
Even if they lose a little money here in Australia I am sure that the otherseas stores will pick it up...
aussie_geek
ChrisH3677 said:
After looking at Telstra's music download prices - -$1.89 per song, Apple will be definately under that - -I am thinking $1.49 each or maybe less. For Apple to have an impact they have to beat the providors here in Australia and make the buyer here feell like they are getting a bargain.
Even if they lose a little money here in Australia I am sure that the otherseas stores will pick it up...
aussie_geek
Maybe this...
Maybe they are thinking of an 'Apple ISP'. Just plug a PC card in your PowerBook slot (finally a good thing to shove in there), and off you go - surf the net wherever you want and download songs at a reduced rate or something.
On the other hand it could be something to do with an Apple Phone....
"Mobile penetration rate is the number of mobile phone services per 100 people. Australias mobile penetration rate grew from 64 per cent in 2001-02 to be 72 per cent in 2002-03 and is forecast to be around 80 per cent in 2004. Currently, Australia is ranked equal 20th in terms of per capita mobiles." - From this article (page 3)
aussie_geek
sunilraman said:hmmm... bundling iTunes music with UnWired service packages ?? to face off iBurst competition... or something else? ..my lateral thinking has just jammed..
Maybe they are thinking of an 'Apple ISP'. Just plug a PC card in your PowerBook slot (finally a good thing to shove in there
), and off you go - surf the net wherever you want and download songs at a reduced rate or something. On the other hand it could be something to do with an Apple Phone....
"Mobile penetration rate is the number of mobile phone services per 100 people. Australias mobile penetration rate grew from 64 per cent in 2001-02 to be 72 per cent in 2002-03 and is forecast to be around 80 per cent in 2004. Currently, Australia is ranked equal 20th in terms of per capita mobiles." - From this article (page 3)
aussie_geek
oingoboingo said:Well you'll like Sydney now. We're in the middle of a huge drought with no end in sight, broad water usage restrictions in force, and record low dam levels. Not a whole lot of trouble with excess rain
Sounds like when I was there 2 years ago and Sydney has those terrible brush fires. There was smoke everywhere, like a low-lying fog, and flying from Sydney to Darwin I could see huge pillars of smoke off in the distance. It was dry, hot, and there wans't enough water around. I hope it doesn't get too bad for ya!
From: webmaster@apple.com.au
Subject: [APPLE] - Macworld Briefing
Date: 5 January 2005 4:13:25 PM
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Date: 5 January 2005 4:13:25 PM
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Please note that the Macworld 2005 local Sydney event is for our
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Following this event our business partners will be able to answer all
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Mmm thought it might be too good to be true!
So I gather from the reading of that Apple response... it isn't likely to be Oz iTMS?
So I gather from the reading of that Apple response... it isn't likely to be Oz iTMS?
aussie_geek said:
I agree with your reasoning. $1.50 or less is my view looking at the exchange rate. I am hoping for $1.25 AUD to bring it into line with the US and Canada.
aussie_geek said:Maybe they are thinking of an 'Apple ISP'. Just plug a PC card in your PowerBook slot (finally a good thing to shove in there
On the other hand it could be something to do with an Apple Phone....
"Mobile penetration rate is the number of mobile phone services per 100 people. Australias mobile penetration rate grew from 64 per cent in 2001-02 to be 72 per cent in 2002-03 and is forecast to be around 80 per cent in 2004. Currently, Australia is ranked equal 20th in terms of per capita mobiles." - From this article (page 3)
aussie_geek
Ausse_geek what is your occupation? are you a researcher/analyst... after doing web design for several years i'd like to explore multimedia research... i enjoy the concept and overview part of it, not so much the gritty hands on rubbish working for dumbass managers
(i actually got a Science(honours) degree from melbourne uni... so i used to have a brain which i'd like to revive someday:: warning:: hedonistic sydney is bad for your normal brain functioning lol
)lemme know mate, thanks...
ah... okay... probably more to do with the iPhone because unWired has that 3G spectrum they got at a bargain price...
iTunes on mobile, purchase and download off iTunes_Store_For_Mobile... makes a hell of a lot more sense to push 3G because like you said mobile penetration *giggle...that sounds naughty* is 70-80%... whereas broadband in Australia is like pushing 30% max... It is UNlikely that UNwired will make a PCcard version of their wireless modem thingy... not yet i think, just a few months ago their 1st gen wireless broadband modem was fairly chunky
Call me obtuse but...
I can not see, in the age of internet delivery of software and services, why Music from an Australian iTunes should cost any more than the straight exchange rate.
In fact all we have ever wanted was for Apple to take the block off any purchases in the USA iTunes store.
Seems all the talk of "Free Trade" went straight in the trash under the desk of Apple and most US monopolist companies, who are out to screw us as they have done for the last 25 years.
Just remember they love it when we sing "God Bless America" as we bend over to pick up the soap. Makes them feel kind of humble to be giving such excellent service.
I can not see, in the age of internet delivery of software and services, why Music from an Australian iTunes should cost any more than the straight exchange rate.
In fact all we have ever wanted was for Apple to take the block off any purchases in the USA iTunes store.
Seems all the talk of "Free Trade" went straight in the trash under the desk of Apple and most US monopolist companies, who are out to screw us as they have done for the last 25 years.
Just remember they love it when we sing "God Bless America" as we bend over to pick up the soap. Makes them feel kind of humble to be giving such excellent service.
Xenex said:
this is either going to be very good news for the resellers or very BAD news for them ie apple store!! looking at the way they currently get treated i think they're in for a rough time again!!
You're forgetting something
Each country has its own version of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which sets royalties and lobbies their respective governments for tariffs, taxes, and restrictions in areas that might affect (in their opinion) the music business. For example, IIRC, a portion of the proceeds on every blank CD-R sold here in the US goes to RIAA.
Just remember, TRADE is, at minimum, a two-party endeavor. Apple wants to sell to as many people as possible, but it still has to operate within the legal frameworks of each country they do business in, and those are sometimes wildly different. I have my own issues with some of Apple's legal practices, but in this case they have done yeoman's work. They have provided the legal precedents/constructs to ENABLE trade for others in this arena.
Don't blame Apple, or the US for that matter, for other countries having their own laws. I agree, in this day and age, why the difference? Ask your government, and your version of RIAA for that matter, that question.
gastroboy said:
Each country has its own version of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which sets royalties and lobbies their respective governments for tariffs, taxes, and restrictions in areas that might affect (in their opinion) the music business. For example, IIRC, a portion of the proceeds on every blank CD-R sold here in the US goes to RIAA.
Just remember, TRADE is, at minimum, a two-party endeavor. Apple wants to sell to as many people as possible, but it still has to operate within the legal frameworks of each country they do business in, and those are sometimes wildly different. I have my own issues with some of Apple's legal practices, but in this case they have done yeoman's work. They have provided the legal precedents/constructs to ENABLE trade for others in this arena.
Don't blame Apple, or the US for that matter, for other countries having their own laws. I agree, in this day and age, why the difference? Ask your government, and your version of RIAA for that matter, that question.
SeanMcg said:
Without being totally privy to all the details, under the "Free (snicker) Trade Agreement" with the USA (The one where Australia gets to implement it immediately and the USA takes 20 years to get around to it) we knuckled under to the US IPR requirements.
The truth is local industry is nearly 100% owned by the US industry who are very happy to have a regime whereby they can escape the competitive and legislative pressures they experience in the USA. They scammed it so their local offices, which are largely distributors, get to slap a whole 27% or more on the US costs.
Quark for example charges the local distributor more than the USA retail cost. How does it get away with this? because the very same US companies have lobbied and succeeded in forcing our Government to ban grey marketing where these rorts are bypassed.
Not even a light at the end of the tunnel yet
Even if we don't get the iTunes Music Store Australia soon, all of the speculation and anticipation expressed here shows Apple that we really do want the iTMS here in Australia. If it turns out that there is no iTMS Aust announcement, I hope that all this discussion encourages Apple Aust to work on it even harder.
It would be appreciated if Apple could announce that: 1. they ARE currently working to bring it here to Australia or 2. we ARE going to get it sooner or later - just a matter of time. Yet no official comment is what we get and until then nothing is certain. All we have so far is guessing and a whole lot of optimism.
Even if we don't get the iTunes Music Store Australia soon, all of the speculation and anticipation expressed here shows Apple that we really do want the iTMS here in Australia. If it turns out that there is no iTMS Aust announcement, I hope that all this discussion encourages Apple Aust to work on it even harder.
It would be appreciated if Apple could announce that: 1. they ARE currently working to bring it here to Australia or 2. we ARE going to get it sooner or later - just a matter of time. Yet no official comment is what we get and until then nothing is certain. All we have so far is guessing and a whole lot of optimism.