What are you trying to convey? New versions of OSes break compatibility all the time but in many cases it's not possible to determine which application will work with OS and which will not. It's not the case with Rosetta. As I understand, all Rosetta-dependent apps could be easily identified. Apple just decided not to do that (why to create bad publicity?)
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What are you trying to convey? New versions of OSes break compatibility all the time but in many cases it's not possible to determine which application will work with OS and which will not. It's not the case with Rosetta. As I understand, all Rosetta-dependent apps could be easily identified. Apple just decided not to do that (why to create bad publicity?)
munkery
macrumors 68020
Apple has been stating Rosetta is going to be dropped for months.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ion_drops_front_row_java_runtime_rosetta.html
cmaier
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And the average person who doesn't spend all day on this website didn't know that, or didn't know what that meant to them. It would have been fairly trivial to release an app that scans your computer and says "hey, i see you have these apps that rely on rosetta - if you upgrade to lion they won't work anymore. In fact, I also see that you've used two of these apps in the last 6 months." etc.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
I recall Snow Leopard even moved incompatible software to /Incompatible Software.
It is trivial to write a check before the Lion installer does its business.
I like it.
cmaier
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Hell, I still want that app, as long as it has a "delete this crap from my machine" option 🙂
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Microsoft warned people as well - except Microsoft was smart enough to know that most non-techy people wouldn't see the warnings.
Therefore, Microsoft had software to do a system scan and warn people before they ran the OS upgrade that some software would need to be upgraded, and that some applications simply would not work after the upgrade and would be disabled.
It also pointed out that some applications had upgrades available that you could run before the OS upgrade to bring the software to a level so that it would work both before and after the upgrade.
It would have been trivial for Apple to include an application that scanned the disk for PPC-only executables. It would have been simple, but not trivial, to add a small database of known PPC images and make more intelligent warnings.
But, since the IOS user base wasn't much affected - it didn't happen. Only longtime Apple users were hurt.
Or, as happens with Microsoft upgrades, it warns you before you commit to the upgrade that a set of applications will not work after the upgrade.
Aren't long-time Apple users embarrassed that Microsoft is so much better at handling this simple problem?
cmaier
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Of course it does. Because if you know it's not going to work you can decide whether or not you care before performing the upgrade. You don't perform the upgrade and suddenly find that the office suite and graphics packages you have been using for years no longer work. You aren't surprised by the fact that your bookkeeping software stops functioning. Instead you decide not to upgrade until you've obtained replacement apps or updates (our you decide an OS upgrade isn't worth spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on new software, and never upgrade).
John.B
macrumors 601
Aren't long-time Microsoft users embarrassed that Microsoft would release Vista to their unsuspecting public without even a modicum of print driver support? Pot? Kettle?
Makes me wonder if Microsoft will ever get their 32-bit/64-bit version issues squared away...
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Lion is awful on 2.4 c2d 9400m 4gb ram laptop
I can't even load macrumors on the laptop because it is so slow. 4 gb at 1067 and a year old machine can't keep up, I'm astonished and confused. Only been trying to run mail and safari and it is just too slow to operate, reverting to snow leopard tomorrow afternoon.
Lion is awful on 2.4 c2d 9400m 4gb ram laptop
I can't even load macrumors on the laptop because it is so slow. 4 gb at 1067 and a year old machine can't keep up, I'm astonished and confused. Only been trying to run mail and safari and it is just too slow to operate, reverting to snow leopard tomorrow afternoon.
munkery
macrumors 68020
Solutions to Rosetta issue:
http://gigaom.com/apple/three-ways-to-keep-running-your-rosetta-apps-with-lion-installed/
I guess there is always a trade off for having much lower incidence of malware.
Aren't long-time Windows users embarrassed about how long it takes MS to patch a vulnerability that is used in two instances of malware in the wild.
http://gigaom.com/apple/three-ways-to-keep-running-your-rosetta-apps-with-lion-installed/
I guess there is always a trade off for having much lower incidence of malware.
Aren't long-time Windows users embarrassed about how long it takes MS to patch a vulnerability that is used in two instances of malware in the wild.
Fixed it for you.
And the answer is no. They'll just bring up some other irrelevant mistake Microsoft has made in the past to draw attention away from the blemish on their otherwise flawless Apple monolith of perfection.
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cmaier
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LOL. Each solution requires you to buy something (hard drive, VM, another copy of the OS, whatever). And some don't work unless you knew to take steps ahead of time (before you updated to Lion).
Or, more rationally, fanboy or not I'm not capable of feeling embarrassment for something that I had nothing to do with.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
My printers work with Vista and Win7. What x86/x64 issues? All my systems are x64 except for one Atom netbook with an x86-only CPU. What issues?
If the best argument that you have against Windows is to talk about things from the fall 2006 release of Windows - perhaps you should give it a rest. Apple was still selling PowerPC systems during the Vista public beta - it's really, really old news.
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All pc companies have fallouts including apple, I choose to grade them on how fast large problems are rectified. In that view, Apple has a much favorable rating by this consumer.
Of course I'm still angry lion is not working on my MacBook this evening (grumbles)
All pc companies have fallouts including apple, I choose to grade them on how fast large problems are rectified. In that view, Apple has a much favorable rating by this consumer.
Of course I'm still angry lion is not working on my MacBook this evening (grumbles)
SamIchi
macrumors 68030
I read that if you recently installed lion, it will be indexing your files for spotlight and what not. Do you really think the operating system is too slow for browsing the internet? You're just looking for a reason to hate it.
Would it kill Jobs to notify the users in a straightforward way? Rosetta, spotlight, time machine...?
munkery
macrumors 68020
Why do a bunch of individuals obviously biased towards preferring Windows spend so much time on a Mac orientated forum being antagonistic about any little possible thing that is available to complain about.
I have only made one post on a forum that caters to Windows and do not even lurk on such forums.
It doesn't take much exposure to some of the individuals' posts that I have recently responded to in this thread to realize that this is not a behaviour that any of you are going to give up.
My question is why do this?
I come here to give people suggestions toward fixing their issues and often get roped into responding to this pointless propaganda in the hopes that it becomes obviously pointless to all parties. This now seems like an impossibility.
What motivates you?
I have only made one post on a forum that caters to Windows and do not even lurk on such forums.
It doesn't take much exposure to some of the individuals' posts that I have recently responded to in this thread to realize that this is not a behaviour that any of you are going to give up.
My question is why do this?
I come here to give people suggestions toward fixing their issues and often get roped into responding to this pointless propaganda in the hopes that it becomes obviously pointless to all parties. This now seems like an impossibility.
What motivates you?
John.B
macrumors 601
Vista had crap printer support the day it went live. You know that. I know that. People who know almost nothing else about Windows or computers in general but bought the first Vista-ready computers know that. You were attempting to make the case that Vista proactively solved users compatibility issues and I was calling you on the fact that the most basic support -- printing -- was left off the list. Shocking but true.
Oh, I apologize. I wasn't aware Microsoft released a combined SKU for both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows. Can 64-bit Windows load 32-bit drivers yet? Didn't Microsoft stop supporting several Windows upgrade paths? Can Windows users upgrade XP to a 64-bit OS? Or are users left to format and reinstall?
Some mac users are dissatisfied with their mac experience, and compare it to the better windows experience. Is that such a hard pill to swallow?
/posted from my macbook pro
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It is hard to sallow ya. because this is a mac forum.... not a windows forum, to to even criticise as much........ But I do agree, it does seem one sided..
I guess windows people know that Apple are doing the right thing, and it annoy Windows people so it get their goat 🙂
All the little nitty picking from Apple people though about lack of this, lack of that..... thats fine, but if its that a major hurdle you must insist if there is a workaround, why didn't you do your homework before your updated ? We all know Rosetta is gone, and the lack of some "features" you prefer over in Snow Leopard, there is no stopping you rom going back, other than just the sheer momentum people get in "isn't it cool i'm complaining on a forum over something i hate".
well done Apple. 🙂
It is hard to sallow ya. because this is a mac forum.... not a windows forum, to to even criticise as much........ But I do agree, it does seem one sided..
I guess windows people know that Apple are doing the right thing, and it annoy Windows people so it get their goat 🙂
All the little nitty picking from Apple people though about lack of this, lack of that..... thats fine, but if its that a major hurdle you must insist if there is a workaround, why didn't you do your homework before your updated ? We all know Rosetta is gone, and the lack of some "features" you prefer over in Snow Leopard, there is no stopping you rom going back, other than just the sheer momentum people get in "isn't it cool i'm complaining on a forum over something i hate".
well done Apple. 🙂
Why would I want to hate something from a company I've loved and supported since the very first all in one 128k almost decades ago?
Spotlight finished indexing at apx 1730 hours on my machine. I've since last posting moved to my desk upstairs on the laptop cooling stand to help cool the poor thing down. It seems RSS feeds and more than a few safari stored windows wreak havoc on this penryn chip. Ran iCleanMemory from the app store and now with Mail + Safari on with only one browser window open it is running well enough with 813mb free ram available according to iStat. Still very low for so little activity. On apple.com discussions others seem to be encountering same thing. There has got to be something simple in memory usage with these 1-2 yr old MacBooks.
Here are screenshots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39723039@N08/5962873125/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39723039@N08/5962873141/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39723039@N08/5963430622/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39723039@N08/5962873221/
Still see it dip down to sub 100mb free when opening safari with these windows. As you can see from screenshots I run maybe 10 windows each with a few tabs on news/social spots. Nothing flash enabled at this time. In mail I have these rss feeds active updating once an hour: Apple Hot news, China Daily, Defense Talk, Defense Tech, Military Times, Navy Times
Nothing should be this taxing; it has to be some internal memory allocator error that apple will pick up on. Just trying to inform others with the pre macbook pro labeled, but still unibody aluminum, systems that there are issues even with 4gb 1067 RAM.
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munkery
macrumors 68020
Have you tried a reinstall?
The machine I am using for Lion is much lower spec than yours and it is performing indiscernibly from SL on the same machine.
I did a clean install if that makes any difference.
MacBook, 2.16 C2D, 2GB 677 RAM, GMA 950.
