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Lion Reviews Are Out: 'Great Value', 'Shakes Things Up', 'Very Few Bugs'
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It is hard to sallow ya. because this is a mac forum.... not a windows forum, to to even criticise as much........ But I do agree, it does seem one sided..
I guess windows people know that Apple are doing the right thing, and it annoy Windows people so it get their goat
Lol, if a windows user laughs at apple, it must be because of sour apples? Right?
All the little nitty picking from Apple people though about lack of this, lack of that..... thats fine, but if its that a major hurdle you must insist if there is a workaround, why didn't you do your homework before your updated ? We all know Rosetta is gone, and the lack of some "features" you prefer over in Snow Leopard, there is no stopping you rom going back, other than just the sheer momentum people get in "isn't it cool i'm complaining on a forum over something i hate".
well done Apple.
Do homework? What happened to "it just works?" You just admitted that apple has failed its own philosophy.
ya... hilarious for about 30 seconds. Of course, it just works... but allot of people here tend to "think" it doesn't just work, otherwise they wouldn't be post after post about it.
I don't follow how people can be caught off guard with no Rosetta. Even without tech sites stating it, it could have been deduced.
Apple stopped making/selling PowerPC systems in 2006:
Mac OS 10.4 had binary support for PowerPC
Mac OS 10.5 had software support for PowerPC via Rosetta
Mac OS 10.6 kept Rosetta available, but as an optional non-default install
It just seems to make sense that Apple was weening people off PowerPC apps. It's not Apple's fault that Intuit stopped producing a usable Quicken after 2007.
It reminds me of when I did hardware field calls for a local computer service company. A (bitchy - go figure ) divorce lawyer used an archaic version of WordPerfect for DOS and had a contract with us that we supply loaner hardware like printers while hers is being repaired. The laser printer was years newer than her old impact dot matrix printer and she was furious with me because her old software didn't have drivers for the newer printer.
For those who aren't familiar with DOS, each program was responsible for providing its own hardware drivers/support - there was no OS-level driver support outside of Windows.
It's simple common sense to me - if you rely on outdated hardware or software, DON'T install a brand new OS.
Apple stopped making/selling PowerPC systems in 2006:
Mac OS 10.4 had binary support for PowerPC
Mac OS 10.5 had software support for PowerPC via Rosetta
Mac OS 10.6 kept Rosetta available, but as an optional non-default install
It just seems to make sense that Apple was weening people off PowerPC apps. It's not Apple's fault that Intuit stopped producing a usable Quicken after 2007.
It reminds me of when I did hardware field calls for a local computer service company. A (bitchy - go figure ) divorce lawyer used an archaic version of WordPerfect for DOS and had a contract with us that we supply loaner hardware like printers while hers is being repaired. The laser printer was years newer than her old impact dot matrix printer and she was furious with me because her old software didn't have drivers for the newer printer.
For those who aren't familiar with DOS, each program was responsible for providing its own hardware drivers/support - there was no OS-level driver support outside of Windows.
It's simple common sense to me - if you rely on outdated hardware or software, DON'T install a brand new OS.
You think these people know what "out of date" is? Seriously, how can you justify Apple being vague about their deficiencies, especially as a consumer?
They have nothing better to do, I guess. It's pretty silly. I don't spend time on forums for equipment I don't own, bitching about it. But if they derive enjoyment from it, more power to them, I guess.
It's the case of "I made my system incompatible and now things don't work"-syndrome.
I would think that the long life spans of Apple Hardware would make the problem a little bit more complex than that. If I went from a PowerMac to a Mac Pro and did a user migration, there is a good chance that some of my applications may not work.
Lion is the 3rd OS compiled exclusively for Intel-based systems that has been released since the old platform was discontinued. That seems outdated to me.
Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard didn't suddenly stop working on Wed.
It's the second compiled exclusively for Intel chips, actually. Leopard ran fine on PPC Macs.That's still a 4 year old OS though, running on computers that are 5+ years old.
My mistake about Leopard. I thought Tiger was the last and thus the need for Rosetta in Leopard.
Ok, just got Lion.
Overall I like it. The new GUI looks good.
Unfortunately, almost all the new "features" are really bad and had to be turned off. Once that was done, it was fine...which means I basically use it just like snow leopard. The problem is, most of the new "features" are little things one might think they can't change, not big things that you obviously can.
-Mission control works fine, but I never use widgets or spaces, so I have low needs there. It is annoying when windows from the same app stack...Its hard to see whats going on in the other windows.
-Launchpad is silly because it shows EVERY SINGLE APP. Its ridiculous. Removed that app. Novice users will love it though.
-Why is the HD hidden now? Turned that back on.
-The new scrolling direction is not intuitive to me. I enjoy the option, but IMO this should NOT have been the default, since novice users who may not like it won't be able to change it.
-Why did apple take away my "clear desktop" gesture and make it into this weird slow hand spread thing?
-The new scroll bars are very hard to see on dark grey windows and are quite ugly. Fortunately, I can turn them back on permanently. I don't like it when my UI changes depending on where my mouse is...it hides information.
-Airport is now called Wi-fi? Why?
-Airdrop is pretty cool.
-Oh my god. iCal and Address book now have a turd brown theme. What the hell...they spend all this time making OSX look good and they choose an ugly brown for ical, and change the useful three pane address book into a PITA two pane? WHY? I can at least fix the colors here: http://macnix.blogspot.com/2011/07/change-mac-os-x-107-lion-ical-skin-to.html
By the way I donated that guy almost the cost of SL. I was hoping Steve would leave Apple on a high note (make things look good, unified UI, clear buttons) but if he leaves and they are still trending towards making major apps look stupid...I don't what I am going to do. Keep hacking my mac I guess.
And for everyone that thinks I am hating...overall, I like Lion, because I CAN changes all these things. I think its BS that I have to change all the new features in order to make it usable though. And if I didn't know how to change them...I would be VERY unhappy. I am not recc'ing Lion to my dad...it'll confuse the ever loving ***** out of him. Upside down scrolling, disappearing scroll bars, new gestures...
Overall I like it. The new GUI looks good.
Unfortunately, almost all the new "features" are really bad and had to be turned off. Once that was done, it was fine...which means I basically use it just like snow leopard. The problem is, most of the new "features" are little things one might think they can't change, not big things that you obviously can.
-Mission control works fine, but I never use widgets or spaces, so I have low needs there. It is annoying when windows from the same app stack...Its hard to see whats going on in the other windows.
-Launchpad is silly because it shows EVERY SINGLE APP. Its ridiculous. Removed that app. Novice users will love it though.
-Why is the HD hidden now? Turned that back on.
-The new scrolling direction is not intuitive to me. I enjoy the option, but IMO this should NOT have been the default, since novice users who may not like it won't be able to change it.
-Why did apple take away my "clear desktop" gesture and make it into this weird slow hand spread thing?
-The new scroll bars are very hard to see on dark grey windows and are quite ugly. Fortunately, I can turn them back on permanently. I don't like it when my UI changes depending on where my mouse is...it hides information.
-Airport is now called Wi-fi? Why?
-Airdrop is pretty cool.
-Oh my god. iCal and Address book now have a turd brown theme. What the hell...they spend all this time making OSX look good and they choose an ugly brown for ical, and change the useful three pane address book into a PITA two pane? WHY? I can at least fix the colors here: http://macnix.blogspot.com/2011/07/change-mac-os-x-107-lion-ical-skin-to.html
By the way I donated that guy almost the cost of SL. I was hoping Steve would leave Apple on a high note (make things look good, unified UI, clear buttons) but if he leaves and they are still trending towards making major apps look stupid...I don't what I am going to do. Keep hacking my mac I guess.
And for everyone that thinks I am hating...overall, I like Lion, because I CAN changes all these things. I think its BS that I have to change all the new features in order to make it usable though. And if I didn't know how to change them...I would be VERY unhappy. I am not recc'ing Lion to my dad...it'll confuse the ever loving ***** out of him. Upside down scrolling, disappearing scroll bars, new gestures...
I guess windows people know that Apple are doing the right thing, and it annoy Windows people so it get their goat
Some people can't handle the truth.
Major overhaul makes OS X Lion king of security
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/21/mac_os_x_lion_security/
“It's a significant improvement, and the best way that I've described the level of security in Lion is that it's Windows 7, plus, plus,” said Dino Dai Zovi, principal of security consultancy Trail of Bits and the coauthor of The Mac Hacker's Handbook. “I generally tell Mac users that if they care about security, they should upgrade to Lion sooner rather than later, and the same goes for Windows users, too.”
One small thing I would like. When using full screen apps, the dock isn't accessible. So if I'm in mail or something and I need to get back to Safari, I have to switch spaces (I could command-tab too I guess). I hide my dock as it is, so it would be nice if the dock could be accessed from full screen apps. And for those who don't hide your dock, they could just automatically hide it on full screen app spaces, much like the menu bar hides but is accessible if you put your cursor at the top of the screen. This would bring some uniformity for new users too; 'why can I still access the menu bar but not my dock?'.
I realize the menu bar is needed for the app, since it has that apps menus on it, but it also houses many other icons on the right for other apps.
Also the fact that mission control stacks windows from the same app, I can see why some people don't like it. It hasn't bothered me since I don't tend to have multiple windows on a single app. I just tried it out though with safari and you can put your mouse on the other windows and hit Spacebar (like you do to preview) and it brings the other window forward to see, and you can then exit mission control with that window
I realize the menu bar is needed for the app, since it has that apps menus on it, but it also houses many other icons on the right for other apps.
Also the fact that mission control stacks windows from the same app, I can see why some people don't like it. It hasn't bothered me since I don't tend to have multiple windows on a single app. I just tried it out though with safari and you can put your mouse on the other windows and hit Spacebar (like you do to preview) and it brings the other window forward to see, and you can then exit mission control with that window
Yeah, I saw that yesterday and couldn't quite figure out if he was saying Windows users should upgrade to Windows 7 (which, OBTW, they should) or if they should upgrade to Lion?
Can't wait to start using Lion. Does anyone know or have any idea when the new Macbook Air's will be in stores such as best buy? I think they are in Apple already but I want to do a finance plan and I hear Best Buy has much better options. Thoughts or suggestions?
As far as I was able to tell the only new thing is sandboxing apps, which from my understanding isn't automatic (and it appears Apple will only be forcing it on Mac App Store apps). I am not sure why (other than the sandboxing) they claim the security posture of OS X is like W7 ++.
ASLR is now much improved. Sandboxing is not optional, and prevents certain behaviors from being done except by user intervention. And FileVault is much improved (of course, you have to decide to use it).
Yes it is. Keep your cursor right at the bottom of the screen for a few seconds.
Sorry, I'd just like to correct myself here - You put the cursor to the bottom and then pull the mouse back further. The Dock will then pop up. Could do with some tweaking to make it a bit of a smoother process, but it does work.
And some Apple fans trumpet any link to other Apple fans writing about the "superiority" of Apple - without actually understanding the issues or critically looking at the article.
Upon reading the link, I come away with three new features.
1. ASLR
As the article states, this brings OSX up to the level of Windows Vista (fall 2006) and Linux.
2. Safari layout engine sandbox
Definitely cool, but that's an app feature, not an OS feature. The huge group of people running FireFox or Chrome see no benefit.
3. FDE
This might be good, but Windows Vista (fall 2006) introduced Bitlocker for FDE. The article should have mentioned why 10.7's new encryption is better than what Windows has had for 5 years.
(Note that I'm not claiming that Windows' FDE is better or worse than 10.7's, just that the article should have acknowledged this 5 year old feature of Windows, and told us why Apple have done a better job.)
See Siracusa:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/9#security
(I was wrong about it not being optional, btw).
Also, filevault:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/13#lion-file-system
But like AidenShaw said, how is it better than W7? Arstechica seems to believe that sand boxing isn't automatic, and will only be enforced for Mac App Store Apps. Is he (John S) wrong?
I already posted that I was wrong about not being automatic. And I didn't say anything about W7 - I am unfamiliar with the architecture of W7 so I have no idea whether it is more or less secure that Lion (other than the obvious "security" that comes from being a smaller target).