Lion Reviews Are Out: 'Great Value', 'Shakes Things Up', 'Very Few Bugs'

[cubbie5150]

I've got a 2008 white MacBook 2.4GHz C2D (7,1) with 4GB at 667 - running
4 desktops with Mail, Chrome, Safari, Address Book and iCal running. No
problems at all . . .

Likewise... My early 2007 2.16 C2D MBP w/ maxed-out 3GB RAM is loving Lion so far, other than the ubiquitous Flash issues that causes whole system lockups. I'll just be avoiding Flash for awhile I guess. I'm amazed how fast Lion is on my old'ish machine. Faster even than 10.6.8 (though doing a clean install likely helped that cause a bit, hahaha).

 

[clipper100]

So.... With all these pros vs cons...

If I order a new customized Imac 27 ... Will it come with Snow Leopard or will it have Lion pre-installed?

If the new Imac comes with an older OS (snow leopard) ... and I have to download Lion (free) ...

Do I have access to both OS's on that Imac?

 

[John.B]

That's actually an issue with IE8, not with Windows 7 itself as no current machine ships with IE8 installed anymore, all are on IE9.

Typically, Microsoft is the victim of their own success.

There are millions of machines still running IE6 (!!!) today. Yahoo mail and other web-based mail providers recently had to mount a campaign to get people to upgrade to a supportable browser.

Not to mention IE7/8, including all of those PC running XP that can never be upgraded to IE9 or beyond (not just neglected home PCs, but a vast number in the corporate world that run software that would require a complete rewrite to run under Windows 7).

 

[Trek2100]

Lion Roars

Downloaded Lion on both my i7 iMac and on my late 2006 MBP 2.33Ghz yesterday. All is running great and all of my software works. My older MBP seems to have new life. Now I can't justify a new laptop or MacBook Air, RATS. Nice job Apple! Can't wait for iOS 5.

 

[Trek2100]

So.... With all these pros vs cons...

If I order a new customized Imac 27 ... Will it come with Snow Leopard or will it have Lion pre-installed?

If the new Imac comes with an older OS (snow leopard) ... and I have to download Lion (free) ...

Do I have access to both OS's on that Imac?

Everything you order now will come with Lion. It will be a clean machine. You should not have any problems since you have no old, did I say old software that requires Rosetta to run on Intel based machines because it was designed for the powerPC days. Everything on my old MBP (going on 5 years old) works without problems but then, I do keep my software pretty much up to date and does not require Rosetta.

 

[Fraaaa]

The only bug that bother me is that occasionally the scrolling freezes. Happens in Safari and a Twitter app, when I return to them after I leave my MBA close for a while or when I switch users. I don't know what it triggers it.

 

[donn]

Already Uninstalled Lion

I already uninstalled Lion and reinstalled Snow Leopard. I don't understand why I need to pay Apple $29 to NOT be able to access my documents and functions. No Rosetta? That's fine, but what use are "250+" new features if I can no longer access my own information because applications are NO LONGER SUPPORTED???? WOW!? Apple's stock price and profits surely support better, more intelligent direction.

-Disappointed

 

[mex4eric]

Downloaded Lion on both my i7 iMac and on my late 2006 MBP 2.33Ghz yesterday. All is running great and all of my software works. My older MBP seems to have new life. Now I can't justify a new laptop or MacBook Air, RATS. Nice job Apple! Can't wait for iOS 5.

But no AirDrop, right?

 

[Trek2100]

But no AirDrop, right?

I have not tried to use Air Drop but I really don't need to use it in my house. My Mac's already have certain shared folders accross my network.

 

[SamIchi]

2.2 i7 8GB RAM, early 2011 MBP

Installed first day, haven't had a problem since. I'm seeing A lot of different complaints, so I thought I'd weigh in on the positive side. Go Lion!

 

[aliensporebomb]

Sigh.

Everyone thinking I am mad comparing Lion with Windows Me should try for 6 hours to get connected to a normal freebsd based NAS that was used without any problems with SL before and still works fine with all my linux und even my windows machines. With SMB not supported, AFP having another version and refusing to deal with my "older" one and NFS constantly crashing the system you'll loose your temper very quickly.

I switched backed to the scrolling I know by the way. I have no Lion computers at work (fortunately) and I have little interest to use both ways of scrolling since I fear it would just confuse me all the time. I really want my normal Exposé back. The fact that minimized Windows don't show up in mission control drives me crazy.

SMB is supported. I'm using it now!

 

[GabooN]

Sorry, I'd just like to correct myself here - You put the cursor to the bottom and then pull the mouse back further. The Dock will then pop up. Could do with some tweaking to make it a bit of a smoother process, but it does work.

Thanks, I just figured this out myself by accident, and remembered my comment here and came back to see if people had mentioned it

It could be a bit smoother, you do have to move the mouse a bit to get it to come up. Would rather it acted as normal but with a longer delay.

*edit* now that I have tried it a few more times it actually works pretty well and quickly. Swipe mouse down to bottom, then swipe again (as if moving the mouse even further) and it shows the dock. So it is sorta like a double swipe down gesture (with one finger )

 

[supermac96]

iMovie is part of iLife tho and has nothing to do with the OS. they did however take out FrontRow

I know but i was just giving an example of how apple sometimes releases "newer, better products" which are actually worse and take away functionality

 

[Hyper-X]

Typically, Microsoft is the victim of their own success.

There are millions of machines still running IE6 (!!!) today. Yahoo mail and other web-based mail providers recently had to mount a campaign to get people to upgrade to a supportable browser.

You are absolutely correct. There are many stagnant users of pre-IE8 products that definitely support your claims. From a typical user to even large corporations who fail to realize the importance of keeping up (either through upgrade or simply using a different product), however the failure is likely within the user and/or IT support/management team of a company IMHO.

Not to mention IE7/8, including all of those PC running XP that can never be upgraded to IE9 or beyond (not just neglected home PCs, but a vast number in the corporate world that run software that would require a complete rewrite to run under Windows 7).

Again, you are correct. XP users are left to mull over remaining with IE8 or switch to a different product. There has been some odd cases where some companies still use code from back in the 90's where IE6/IE7 work flawlessly however as soon as you use IE8/IE9, they run into issues like missing buttons, script errors, etc. This prompts some companies to delay upgrading their browser just so it remains full compatibility with a legacy, unsupported IE version. This is a very bad decision as the better choice is to upgrade the code for the online software so that it's fully functional with current products. I believe this is an issue not just limited to cost and qualified personnel to make those changes to the software.

 

[polaris20]

Everyone thinking I am mad comparing Lion with Windows Me should try for 6 hours to get connected to a normal freebsd based NAS that was used without any problems with SL before and still works fine with all my linux und even my windows machines. With SMB not supported, AFP having another version and refusing to deal with my "older" one and NFS constantly crashing the system you'll loose your temper very quickly.

I switched backed to the scrolling I know by the way. I have no Lion computers at work (fortunately) and I have little interest to use both ways of scrolling since I fear it would just confuse me all the time. I really want my normal Exposé back. The fact that minimized Windows don't show up in mission control drives me crazy.

Actually, SMB is better supported in Lion now than ever. With Apple's own implementation, SMBX, I can finally now see every computer on the network of a 2008 domain, and AD credentials from the Macs now pass through seamlessly to NAS devices, computers, etc. Macs have never worked better on a Windows network than they do now with Lion.

Furthermore, I run a FreeNAS server at home, which is based on FreeBSD. It works totally fine with SMB, and I don't even have AFP enabled.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're in over your head, if you're trying to tinker with BSD but can't get it to play nice with Lion. It's really not an issue.

 

[cmaier]

Actually, SMB is better supported in Lion now than ever. With Apple's own implementation, SMBX, I can finally now see every computer on the network of a 2008 domain, and AD credentials from the Macs now pass through seamlessly to NAS devices, computers, etc. Macs have never worked better on a Windows network than they do now with Lion.

Furthermore, I run a FreeNAS server at home, which is based on FreeBSD. It works totally fine with SMB, and I don't even have AFP enabled.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're in over your head, if you're trying to tinker with BSD but can't get it to play nice with Lion. It's really not an issue.

None of my lion machines can connect to any of my readynas boxes via SMB. AFP works fine, so I dont care, but something is definitely up.

 

[polaris20]

None of my lion machines can connect to any of my readynas boxes via SMB. AFP works fine, so I dont care, but something is definitely up.

I've never used a readynas, but it works fine with FreeNAS, SAMBA on Linux, NetApp, DroboFS.

 

[Ubuntu]

My thoughts on Lion...

My iMac had been randomly dcing since about a week after I got it (was my second iMac so I used my original TM back up of the first iMac, which also had this issue), even after upgrading to Lion. So I decided to do a fresh install by wiping the HD and putting the Lion disc (from the app store). Had to download additional components (I guess some foundation stuff as there was no SL partition to install on) but it always stopped at around 70%. Tried 5 times, every time it would not go further. Checked my internet, not an issue. This is incredibly annoying because my only real option is to use the SL disc and upgrade from there - except I don't think I'll upgrade for a while. I'd quite like to be able to watch Flash videos after waking up the iMac without having to reboot, thank you. I was relieved to just be able to pop in the SL disc and install it, no nonsense (hopefully ).

I've also had a similar experience on my MBA 13 inch - my internet connection is pretty stable, it just appears to be the recovery software itself, unfortunately.

Apple might think we're ready to ditch optical media, but I totally disagree.