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drsuse said:
i've been waiting until the release of 10.4 to order my powerbook from the apple education store. if it's announced tomorrow, will i still need to wait until tiger is released mid-month to avoid receiving a computer with panther pre-installed?

I'd say yes. Planning to also order a PB once Tiger is released, unless Apple updates the iBooks soon with a nice suprise (e.g. updated GPU, higher res screen, 512MB RAM standard, etc.)
 
Flowbee said:
One person's "substantial stuff" is another person's "fluff."

MMMmmmm, Fluff!


It is impressive for Apple to beat the deadline that Steve laid out, Apple is going to get lots of good press for coming out on time and with the features they promised, it is really going to embarass Redmond and put more pressure on them to release foghorn earlier with less features and lots of bugs.

Here is to hoping this release is as solid as 10.3
 
yoda13 said:
I cannot wait, and am ready to order!!! :D

I am ready to order a new 3 GHZ PowerMac with Tiger in it. But how long must I wait? Right now I suspect I won't be able to see one on my desk for at least 6 months. :(
 
JamSoft said:
QUOTE:
But why are they (at least to me) rushing to release Tiger?
For the sake of new hardware possibly.

And just because they're earlier than most people thought doesn't make it a "rush job." No software will EVER be bug free, and release to the public is ALWAYS a more thorough and varied test than beta testing is. So there WILL be issues to be updated. As with any OS release by any company.

Make a backup, and if you can wait for 10.4.1, all the better.

BTW, I ordered my eMac a day or two after Jaguar shipped and was told by Apple that it would NOT be in the box. I'd have to use my coupon to get it. But they were wrong :) It wasn't pre-installed but it WAS in the box! So you never know...
 
StarbucksSam said:
I wonder if it will be...
HAHAHA.

An April Fools joke.

No... tomorrow isn't just April Fools Day. It is Apple's 29th birthday. Anniversary gift to the Mac users out there....?
 
mklos said:
I'd imagine you can get at least 5,000 boxed versions of Tiger produced in one day easily. I'm sure there's more than one press.

Yeah, a quick Google search confirms that CDs can be replicated in great
quantities with little difficulty.

http://www.sonopress.com/us/?id=52

ASHEVILLE, NC – April 20, 2004 – To meet demands of customers who need
quick turn around on time-sensitive orders, Sonopress LLC, a leader in
media services and turnkey production operations, today announced that it
has expanded its US-based CD capacity to 48 replication lines. The addition
of seven new lines to its Weaverville, NC facility brings Sonopress’ CD
replication capacity to more than 920,000 daily. Able to turn around orders
in just a few days, Sonopress is the time-based competitive leader in the
industry.
 
i saw someone earlier mention that teh discs are pressed and not burned. what's the difference?

Note from the moderator to those reading this thread: This question has now been answered. Please do not make any further posts in this thread about pressing vs. burning.
 
Damn it, I'm flat broke right now too. How am I going to survive another month knowing everyone else is out there using 18 different kinds of stock-ticker widgets? :rolleyes:
 
Tiger 10.4 and 64 bit addressing

How much of the operating system will OSX (tiger) 10.4 be 64 bit on G5's? Will we see any noticeable boost in overall OS and application use? I never really understood the benefits to the end user. Can someone explain? Are we looking for lag/delay from programers to catchup with the hardware?

Thanks in advance.

Tom
 
Happy Birthday Apple!

Looking forward to seeing what tomorrow brings. I certainly hope this rumor is true. I'm sure Apple would love some birthday money...

Anyone know when it will be in stores?

Cheers,
JOD8FY
 
JamSoft said:
QUOTE:
Maybe I'm overreacting. Any beta testers out there who know specifically what those 'bugs' are?

I'm all for getting Tiger soon — I'm excited like everyone else, but why would I want to upgrade to an OS with more bugs/problems?

So what's more important: Features vs. Stability ?

Anyone else share my concerns, or does no one really care? I guess I'm just interested in everyone's general thoughts.

I reckon you are over reacting a litle bit. Apple is a huge company with millions of supporters. They wouldnt release something that is buggy. Even if there are problems..none are serious and you are not telling me that Panther is bug free. Apple has been in this business for a while so i am pretty sure they know when something is ready. But i guess the best way to know is to buy it and try it...
 
zoozx said:
2. Has printing been revised to eliminate the multitude of windows and ridiculous setting involved in making fine art prints. 1 window, all settings i hope.
Isn't that just a show stopper?

Any time you want to print anything with settings other than what you did last time, you have to fight and work like crazy to try to track down what is where. And saving settings is unreliable and clumsy, especially if you use multiple printers.

"Layout," "Output Options," and "Paper Handling" all sound too similar in function. And so on. It is very poorly thought out, and collectively probably costs Mac users many, many years of wasted time and frustration.

The least they could do is replace the pop-up menus with tabs. They are probably afraid that would look too much like MS junk, but the current pop-up menu scheme is the worst thing they could have done.
 
aprilfools said:
Does anybody know about how many active beta testers (or whatever they are called) were involved in testing 10.4?

Please dont tell me you made your use name just for tomorrow/today.. :eek: :eek: :D
 
dotdotdot said:
Well... if Apple declared this build as Gold Master, that meanns that they already began burning it... they may have like 100,000 Tiger CDs/DVDs already in Boxes, and more each second...
Oh... that's just dreamy...
->)SIGH(<-

Tigers all climbing into their boxes, waiting to pounce on our computers...
 
misr12 said:
How much of the operating system will OSX (tiger) 10.4 be 64 bit on G5's? Will we see any noticeable boost in overall OS and application use? I never really understood the benefits to the end user. Can someone explain? Are we looking for lag/delay from programers to catchup with the hardware?

Well "64 bit" can mean lots of things...

The version of Mac OS X and related developer tools that was release with the Power Mac G5 systems allowed the developers to use the 64 bit general math capabilities (floating point has always supported 64 bit on PPC) of the G5 processor. In Panther aspects of system libraries, etc. got enhanced to utilize the 64 bit general math capabilities as well as aspects of applications both from Apple and 3rd parties (PhotoShop for example).

Depending on what an application is doing... a conversion to using 64 bit math capabilities can (not will) result in a slightly better then 2x improvement over doing two or more 32 bit operations on the same 64 bit value (slightly better then 2x because of less interdependent instructions potentially bubbling the pipeline).

Expect Tiger to take optimization for the G5 much farther then what was seen in Panther (this includes more use of 64 bit math abilities among several other things). This includes system provided libraries and frameworks that existing application use, so even existing application will benefit without any rework.

Mac OS X as of the Power Mac G5 systems has the ability at the memory sub-system level to address greater then 32 bits worth of physical RAM (4 GB) and that is why the PM G5 and Xserve G5 systems can take 8 or 16 GB of physical RAM (the PPC 970 and memory controller has hardware to support this).

However virtual address is still limited to 32 bit (4 GB) and that is often sufficient for a vast majority of applications at this time. The ability to have greater then 4GB of physical RAM basically allows one to run more applications that consume a majority of their 4GB virtual address space as well as allows the UBC (universal buffer cache) to cache more data avoiding disk access which are very slow compared to memory access.

Tiger will add the ability for command line process to use a 64 bit virtual address space (see my prior post about this) which is over 4 billion times larger then a 32 bit address space.

Important thing to note is that Tiger will support both 32 bit and 64 bit addressing in the same release, you won't have to buy a 64 bit or 32 bit version of Tiger.
 
Its all very well laughing at Longhorn being so far on the horizon, but when you think about it, most Apple fans own Macs with set hardware. One specific motherboard, with one specific CPU and GPU. Its only on the Powermacs that the hardware can be varied a little more, and even then its not by much. Surely its a slightly easier process making an OS for Macs rather than PCs, which is why Apple can be more creative, come up with new features and leave Windows trailing behind.

That's not to say I'm not thrilled by the imminent release of Tiger, despite the fact I only got my first Mac a couple of months ago and am still getting to grips with Panther.

Btw, 10.5 = Cougar. Fact.
 
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