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Tiger Gold Master?

No "Apple Event" needed

Tiger might well be announced without a big press event: the product was unveiled long ago, so an announcement tomorrow or next week could be little more than giving a specific ship date. Send out a press release and update Apple.com. No invitation event needed.

In which case, they'd let the "big event" be the launch day at Apple Stores (sometime in April hopefully). That makes more sense than a big event tomorrow.

Besides, Apple may not want to invite the press to too many events all at once, and new Macs might be coming some soon to a Tuesday near you :)

I'm inclined to believe AppleInsider. If it's true, then good work, Apple!
 
ZildjianKX said:
Anyone here who is a developer feel like commenting (as long as it won't violate the NDA).

I mean, how does it "feel" compared to Panther, speed wise, boot time wise.

Any cool new backgrounds or screensavers?

Better samba and ftp configuration (so you won't have to use a third party GUI)?

iChat A/V finally get profile support or animated icons?

Just curious :)
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Boots maybe a tiny bit faster...but maybe not. My Panther installation is old.
Definitely logs in faster.
UI is much faster.
Few new desktops, few updated ones

AppleMatt
 
Doctor Q said:
I wish amazon.com sold the family pack.

In fact, I wish the Apple retail stores sold the family pack on the day of release. Based on past experience, I don't think they will have it in stock.
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Amazon will eventually carry the family pack. Not sure when though. They're even offering a $50 rebate for it.
 
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We're all beta testers.

QUOTE:
The build reportedly still had a few outstanding issues, but those were not expected to delay Tiger's release. They are expected to be fixed in the next free (downloadable) update to the operating system.​

Source: < http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=976 >

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Now I understand that with every knew software release, there's always a few bugs. But why are they (at least to me) rushing to release Tiger? Jobs said first half of 2005. They still have plenty of time to meet their deadline. Why not really nail things down and release a SOLID version?

Maybe I'm overreacting. Any beta testers out there who know specifically what those 'bugs' are?

I'm all for getting Tiger soon — I'm excited like everyone else, but why would I want to upgrade to an OS with more bugs/problems?

So what's more important: Features vs. Stability ?

Anyone else share my concerns, or does no one really care? I guess I'm just interested in everyone's general thoughts.
 
AppleMatt said:
Boots maybe a tiny bit faster...but maybe not. My Panther installation is old.
Definitely logs in faster.
UI is much faster.
Few new desktops, few updated ones

AppleMatt
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Thanks, I appreciate you getting back to me.

I guess Apple will never simplify the Samba and FTP setup, oh well, it's the only part of OS X that I have to rely on third parties to help me with if I don't feel like pulling up the terminal and editing the files myself.
 
nagromme said:
Tiger might well be announced without a big press event: the product was unveiled long ago, so an announcement tomorrow or next week could be little more than giving a specific ship date. Send out a press release and update Apple.com. No invitation event needed.

In which case, they'd let the "big event" be the launch day at Apple Stores (sometime in April hopefully). That makes more sense than a big event tomorrow.
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Absolutely. Apple wants maximum hype, and that means making the biggest splash at the time when people can shell out money and get DVDs in their hands.

They had VW Bugs to release the original iMac, and live panthers to release 10.3. Wonder what they will do with Tiger...
 
Would someone please tell me what's in Tiger?
Seriously, there is so much speculation on what it is and isn't, especially for graphic people.

1. Is the 2 gig limit of ram allocated to applications gone?

2. Has printing been revised to eliminate the multitude of windows and ridiculous setting involved in making fine art prints. 1 window, all settings i hope.

3. Speed increase esp with graphics & print spooling?

4. That friggin spinning wheel in the finder eliminated?

5. Naked chicks and free beer to all users?

Seriously, I have seen nothing of substance reporting what is in tiger.
Any links?

thks
 
zoozx said:
5. Naked chicks and free beer to all users?
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Hahahahahaha.... Lets hope so. But sorry i cant answer your other questions. But my guess is that it will be an improvement...so buy it and i am sure you will be impressed.
 
JamSoft said:
QUOTE:
The build reportedly still had a few outstanding issues, but those were not expected to delay Tiger's release. They are expected to be fixed in the next free (downloadable) update to the operating system.​

Source: < http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=976 >

_______________________________________________________

Now I understand that with every knew software release, there's always a few bugs. But why are they (at least to me) rushing to release Tiger? Jobs said first half of 2005. They still have plenty of time to meet their deadline. Why not really nail things down and release a SOLID version?

Maybe I'm overreacting. Any beta testers out there who know specifically what those 'bugs' are?

I'm all for getting Tiger soon — I'm excited like everyone else, but why would I want to upgrade to an OS with more bugs/problems?

So what's more important: Features vs. Stability ?

Anyone else share my concerns, or does no one really care? I guess I'm just interested in everyone's general thoughts.
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See what Doctor Q said in post # 37.

All you can really hope for is to have the software as good as possible by the release date, otherwise you'll end up working on it forever. If you choose to work on it until every single bug is worked out, you may never get the product released. That's why there are software updates, to iron out the bugs that weren't caught the first time around or ones that are later discovered.
 
JamSoft said:
Now I understand that with every knew software release, there's always a few bugs. But why are they (at least to me) rushing to release Tiger? Jobs said first half of 2005. They still have plenty of time to meet their deadline. Why not really nail things down and release a SOLID version?

Maybe I'm overreacting. Any beta testers out there who know specifically what those 'bugs' are?

I'm all for getting Tiger soon — I'm excited like everyone else, but why would I want to upgrade to an OS with more bugs/problems?

So what's more important: Features vs. Stability ?

Anyone else share my concerns, or does no one really care? I guess I'm just interested in everyone's general thoughts.
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They can't have every single hardware configuration set up with every single set of software on it. So they try their best, count on the ADC members to help them out, and when they release it... .hope they did their job well enough that nothing is screwed up.
 
zoozx said:
Would someone please tell me what's in Tiger? Seriously, I have seen nothing of substance reporting what is in tiger.
Any links?
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Visit Apple's Mac OS X site and related Tiger developer site for and idea of some of the things to expect in Tiger (many more not listed publicly).

1. Is the 2 gig limit of ram allocated to applications gone?
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No such limit exists. All processes on Mac OS X get a 4 GB virtual address space. Parts of the address space are consumed by mapping of shared libraries and frameworks. Additionally those mappings partition the memory space. In the end a process has about 3.5 GB of the address space to play with and the largest chuck that can be allocated at once is around 2 GB. The exact numbers vary depending on shared code, etc. used by the process. Tiger is adding the ability for command line processes (limits on what system APIs they can use) to have a massive virtual address space 16 exabytes in size (64 bit virtual addressing). By massive... I mean massive... some thing like 4.4 billion DVDs worth to give you a real-worldish example.

I won't comment on your other questions yet since it hasn't been released, the NDA is still in place.
 
sw1tcher said:
See what Doctor Q said in post # 37.

All you can really hope for is to have the software as good as possible by the release date, otherwise you'll end up working on it forever. If you choose to work on it until every single bug is worked out, you may never get the product released. That's why there are software updates, to iron out the bugs that weren't caught the first time around or ones that are later discovered.
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Recall that 10.3.1 came out just 2 weeks after the Panther release, and 10.3.2 followed a month later. The remaining known bugs are probably language localization issues or 3rd party hardware issues.
 
Toe said:
It still seems sketchy to think that they could have CDs/DVDs burnt, printed, packaged, and shipped by April 15th. That only gives them 2 weeks to get all that done.

Apple likes to unveil new OSes with lots of fanfare and promos. I don't think they'd release it without it being available.

...or have they sped up their production process now?
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Well... if Apple declared this build as Gold Master, that meanns that they already began burning it... they may have like 100,000 Tiger CDs/DVDs already in Boxes, and more each second...
 
Doctor Q said:
We have a saying in our own software development shop: You can pick the features or the release date, but not both. In other words, you can declare a final date and make the software as good as possible by that date or you can keep working on it until every desired feature has been implemented and every known issue has been resolved, with only an educated guess as to when that will be. So you either declare the completion date or you wait for it. I wonder which method Apple uses.
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I suspect software update is the key answer to the question. Expect to see 10.4.1 updater about 2-3 weeks after full release to see what issues arise and resolve them.

Rocketman
 
i've been waiting until the release of 10.4 to order my powerbook from the apple education store. if it's announced tomorrow, will i still need to wait until tiger is released mid-month to avoid receiving a computer with panther pre-installed?
 
VicMacs said:
after panther, tiger has to fill some mughty big shoes....

to that guy up a couple of posts from me... try apple.com :p
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Yeah, I'm talking about substantial stuff, not the fluff apple advertises.
 
JamSoft said:
I'm all for getting Tiger soon — I'm excited like everyone else, but why would I want to upgrade to an OS with more bugs/problems?

So what's more important: Features vs. Stability ?

Anyone else share my concerns, or does no one really care? I guess I'm just interested in everyone's general thoughts.
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I think that most of us on this forum have at least 3 versions of OS X to fall back on. So who cares? I can always boot from my firewire HD in say 10.3 or 10.2. What I care about is not having to dish out $ for tiger if I just get a mini. Imagine how many people would wait to buy a computer because they knew X.4 was coming out before June. This way I'll get two new toys...

Sadly, I am leaving for the Windy city on Monday and coming back in a week. To late to order a mini with Tiger now so I will have to "smuggle" one on my next trip in May.

In light of the recent rumors of an upgraded video card in the iBooks to run Tiger smoothly, will the mini be updated as well...real soon? Like before Paris?
 
JamSoft said:
QUOTE:
They still have plenty of time to meet their deadline. Why not really nail things down and release a SOLID version?.
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For one it is very solid but expect issues with edge cases related to 3rd party hardware and non-standard software. For many of those cases Apple will only find them by releasing Tiger and getting into that hand of folks with those edge case configurations/environments.

Software releases are always a balancing act especially so for something as complex as operating systems. Additional features, enhancements and fixes always are left in the development queue so you have to call it good enough at some point, you can wait forever. Also you have to consider all of the benefits to customers that exists in what you have ready and weight that against any of the negatives and decide if your customers are better served by waiting longer or not.
 
shawnce said:
Visit Apple's Mac OS X site and related Tiger developer site for and idea of some of the things to expect in Tiger (many more not listed publicly).



No such limit exists. All processes on Mac OS X get a 4 GB virtual address space. Parts of the address space are consumed by mapping of shared libraries and frameworks. Additionally those mappings partition the memory space. In the end a process has about 3.5 GB of the address space to play with and the largest chuck that can be allocated at once is around 2 GB. The exact numbers vary depending on shared code, etc. used by the process. Tiger is adding the ability for command line processes (limits on what system APIs they can use) to have a massive virtual address space 16 exabytes in size (64 bit virtual addressing). By massive... I mean massive... some thing like 4.4 billion DVDs worth to give you a real-worldish example.

I won't comment on your other questions yet since it hasn't been released, the NDA is still in place.
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Thanks!
I know what you speak of, but was to lazy to elaborate : ) In photoshop you end up with about 2 gb & that isn't enough.
 
Toe said:
It still seems sketchy to think that they could have CDs/DVDs burnt, printed, packaged, and shipped by April 15th. That only gives them 2 weeks to get all that done.

Apple likes to unveil new OSes with lots of fanfare and promos. I don't think they'd release it without it being available.

...or have they sped up their production process now?

P.S. Any word on Server?
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This can be done easily. remember all of the boxes, manuals, etc, are printed.
 
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