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Agreed, my wife and I are avid runners and she was very excited about the sport watch. Then I explained to her that she would have to wear the watch AND her iPhone while going running. Her exact words were "thats ****ing retarded"

Yea... exactly. I won't buy the watch until it has built-in GPS.
 
Agreed, my wife and I are avid runners and she was very excited about the sport watch. Then I explained to her that she would have to wear the watch AND her iPhone while going running. Her exact words were "thats ****ing retarded"

Except, you don't need the iphone for everything, only if you need the GPS and things that need internet access.
 
Not to be nit-picky but I believe the stating price is $349 not $350. As much as I like Macrumors i don't believe they have the authority to charge an extra $1.

I want my $1!!!
 
To be honest I believe that The watch will sell very well but the capabilities people are expecting should come maybe after version two or three, it will take time to be really great.
I do like the potential and when the watch is waterproof, can live on it is on without the iPhone, be thinner, better battery and a bit more elegant it will be a huge success and appeal the masses.
 
I know that's crackers. Samsung is going to hammer them on this in their advertising especially in a wet and rainy country like the UK. Maybe it never rains in California.

That's extreme. My iOS products have always survived rainy days here in Quebec. It's not waterproof in the sense that you can't drop it in your pool, in your toilet or in your bath, and you can't use it in the shower.

But I do agree that I would have loved a waterproof iPhone 6. In fact I thought those antenna bands, by their material, would have helped making it waterproof.
 
I'm getting to the point where I'll avoid purchasing new technology until a major advancement in battery-life has been developed.

My main gripes about the Apple Watch:
1) No mention of its battery
2) Very dependent on an iPhone
3) No FaceTime camera. I feel that this could have been a major selling feature that they missed out on.

They said all day. That's better than at least the Moto 360.. And equal to all others. All others are as dependant. Not being that dependent means your battery will die very quick. Putting a camera self facing camera would take a LOT of space and not even sure were you would put it.
 
Sure it would. You can swim in a swimming pool.. Not every one swims to ~30 feet deep!

There's a difference between the "Water Resistant" and "Waterproof" certification.

Watches that say Water Resistant mean that they can take brief exposure to water.

Watches that are certified Water Proof are tested at a given atmospheric pressure for long periods of time to ensure that the seals can withstand extended exposure.

Swimming is considered extended exposure. Diving also because you're exposing the watch to significant force in addition to the water exposure.

A "Water resistant" watch may get you by but there's no guarantee that the seals won't fail. A tested "water proof" watch, like a Rolex Oyster for example, typically has its case tested in a vacuum chamber for 24 to 72 hours.... and even then *these* types of watches usually have required maintenance every few years which includes replacing worn out seals.

Read the fine print that comes with every "water resistant" watch and you'll see they only state it guarantees against "brief/accidental splashes" of water or the like.
 
It's ok, I don't think it's the best looking smart watch on the market, the moto 360 is a better design. Maybe it's an age thing but square watches (even with rounded corners) seem a bit dated.

As a design it's not bad but very little stands out about it to me, I'm sure it'll sell by the boat load and the owners wearing it will look ridiculous.

Right... The people who actually handled the watch said that it has an exceptional build quality. No one is close on that. The Moto is bigger, yet has less face space?

Neither round or square faces are dated, you can still find those in current watches.
 
Switzerland is in trouble my arse.

I like you Jony but this wasn't even close.

Do you remember people making comments about the iPad when it debuted?

"It's a big iPhone who would want that?"

Fast forward 2 years and the iPad blew the tablet industry wide open.

It's too easy to draw a conclusion on the Apple watch.
 
Except, you don't need the iphone for everything, only if you need the GPS and things that need internet access.

And that's why Garmin has heart rate monitor "watches" with built-in GPS.

They are not marketed as watches, so having to recharge them frequently is not a problem.

Rather, what is more annoying is having to wear a chest sensor band.
 
That's extreme. My iOS products have always survived rainy days here in Quebec. It's not waterproof in the sense that you can't drop it in your pool, in your toilet or in your bath, and you can't use it in the shower.

But I do agree that I would have loved a waterproof iPhone 6. In fact I thought those antenna bands, by their material, would have helped making it waterproof.

Nobody is suggesting that. The problem is if you get caught in a heavy shower, need to use your iPhone and get any water in to it such that the device stops working, the water damage will automatically invalidate your warranty. That's why I never use my iPhone outside when it's raining.
 
There's no such thing as a water proof watch. The Sony will supposedly be rated IP68, which means it is tested to withstand water immersion to a depth of 6.6 feet for 60 minutes. That does not mean it is tested to endure this many times, over a period of months, nor that it will pass this test while the watch is subjected to any additional pressure such as from moving it around or bumping it against another object.

The minimum water resistance recommended for swimming is a depth rating of 165 feet, for playing sports while swimming or snorkeling, 330 feet, and for scuba diving, 500 feet. In other words, the rating is not an indication of how deep you can actually take the watch during normal usage.

Of course, but gadgets specified with IP68 are called waterproof by people and companies, and it is ok for companies to market their products "waterproof" if it has passed an IP68 test. I must admit I didn't know there is an exception in this case for watches in the US (I live in Sweden), but I don't see any problem with Sony marketing their smartwatch outside the US as waterproof, or people using that word for IP68-certified products.
 
Right... The people who actually handled the watch said that it has an exceptional build quality. No one is close on that. The Moto is bigger, yet has less face space? Neither round or square faces are dated, you can still find those in current watches.

I've tried the Samsung smart watch and the build quality is excellent. As for design they don't look all that different. My main concern is that the Apple Watch looks very thick and heavy. I'm not sure how comfortable it will be to wear all day. I also have a concern about the battery life. They should have included an option to put the device into some form of watch only power saving mode so you can extend the battery life if you need to.
 
Switzerland is in trouble my arse.

I like you Jony but this wasn't even close.

theres not one tangible piece of evidence that he ever said that. not a one. just an unsourced rumor...

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My guess is somewhere around $1499 - $1999. They should have called it the "a$$hole edition". A product that exists simply for people to brag about how much money they blew on something that literally does nothing the standard edition can't do.

youve just described every high-priced timepiece in history. they do the same thing as a cheap Casio -- so why not just get a casio, hmm?
 
Available .... when

Available next year? Then they should have announced it next year. A watch with one day battery life? You have to be kidding me.
 
Agreed, my wife and I are avid runners and she was very excited about the sport watch. Then I explained to her that she would have to wear the watch AND her iPhone while going running. Her exact words were "thats ****ing retarded"

avid runner *and* she's classy.
 
Thats ridiculous. Production for these types of products is well calculated for, you simply dont change a battery type/capacity/or any of the components at last minute. It simply doesn't happen especially for a large company like Apple. Software fixes maybe, but thats not related to the hardware that they announced…..

Other than pre-production units, these :apple:Watches have almost certainly not yet been manufactured.

I'm not sure why you seem to think it so inconceivable that Apple might be aware of improvements in battery density/technology that were not ready in time for the first units, but that are just about to hit the market, and which newer batteries Apple plans to incorporate in the final product, but simply have not yet been able to test extensively for stamina, and by extension product battery life specs.

Unless you manufacture all your own components, releasing new products, and sustaining an adequate pipeline for that matter, is a delicate balance between market deadlines and availability of screens, chips, batteries, and other various components, etc.

Edit: Just noticed a new post, reinforcing possibly coming battery-life improvements before the :apple:Watch's debut. (either by software or hardware).
 
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Battery life information please.

I suspect they're mum about it, cause they hope to improve it between now and launch.

This, I have a feeling between now and launch, they will get the logistics worked out i.e. sapphire glass production and also have an improved battery life on the product.

I heard in one of the videos that Apple employee stated the watch had a retina display! WOW....
 
Available next year? Then they should have announced it next year. A watch with one day battery life? You have to be kidding me.

I would never sleep with something like this on, so charging every night is no big deal. When I saw the Moto 360 vertical charger that made easy to see from bed, I thought I wouldn't care about battery life that wasn't longer than a day. Apple doesn't have that, but accessory makers will surely make something that sticks the charger in a vertical position.

I think 48 hours (32 when you factor in that this thing shouldn't do very much while you sleep) would be sufficient. Forget to charge it one night, no big deal.

Perhaps they'll get it close to that benchmark by next year.
 
I like the watch. I think it looks nice, and the UI is kind of cool.

I won't get one, because for the feature set I just don't see the value. I don't have exercise routines, and all of the other features I'd be quite happy to do on my phone.

I can see people it would be great for, those really busy people who interact with a lot of people, and for whom every moment is valuable. But I'm not one of those people.

That being said, remember that this is just the start of something. Version 2 will get everything right that isn't quite so now.

However, I would really like to see Apple launch a new Apple TV (a box, not a big TV). This should add functionality to allow it to be a great console station for casual, fun social gaming (i.e. take over Nintendo's place in the market).

Also, I'm intrigued by the fact they seem to be looking at home devices. Lots that can be done here, I think, and it would provide a boost to their PC sales.
 
Yea... exactly. I won't buy the watch until it has built-in GPS.

I was thinking I'd rather take a small lightweight bluetooth GPS receiver (something like http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-product/xgps150a/) than a huge 4.7" or 5.5" iPhone just to get that missing functionality, but that's one more thing to keep charged!

I wonder how accurate the m1 processor is for speed/distance.
 
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