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I honestly think video conferencing over 3g will not be available at first and Apple may be going for more of a webcam like approach for the iPhone, I'm guessing if they do bring it in straight away, you'll have the following options:

iPhone NG AT&T/Verizon Contracts Standalone

Or

iPhone NG AT&T/Verizon Contracts with Video Conferencing ($9.99 extra)


Although the standalone won't have it, I would imagine webcam (WiFi) like conferencing would still be available.

Just my guess, I'm so excited for the next iPhone, it's going to be so cool!
 
capitalism is collapsing. that's not my opinion. open your eyes and look around. is isn't a self-sustaining system. it has exponentially greater booms and busts because the only move it allows us is to pump more money into the hands of consumers when a recession begins. thats the only way to keep it afloat, which isn't a real solution. the country's value is like a pie. we only have so many resources here. sure you can print more money but you'd only be slicing up the pie into smaller pieces. every dollar in circulation is essentially a fiction, owed to someone else, owed back to a bank, owed back to the fed to repay the interest it was borrowed on. Debt is modern slavery. money doesnt mean anything after a certain point, and we're headed that way now. soon we'll be using it as wallpaper again. trade and common property are what make sense. it isn't natural to worship currency the way we do and we are destroying the planet because of it.

i won't continue to post about this cause it'll probably get deleted since this belongs in the political forum anyway.

LOL. May I suggest that you're on the wrong forums, you know, following a ruthlessly capitalist mega corporation. Also, may I suggest that you whilst capitalism is not, by any means, a perfect system, it is the one that has proven itself to work best. Communism was a failed experiment. Socialism is great, if you don't mind living under dictatorial regime. Capitalism allows for a stable politics and relatively stable economy. As a side note, it is well documented in studies that countries emerging from ****-hole squalor to embrace capitalism has proven to be the greatest equaliser in income inequality. Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for life.

I don't get why there is such animosity toward FFC. Just because you wouldn't use it doesn't mean it's a worthless addition. It has immense potential for a number of different real-world applications. I totally understand that improvement of the device's main camera should be a priority, but simply bellowing that it's a bandwidth whore is asinine. That's like arguing the iSight cameras on Macintoshes are bandwidth wasted - IF YOU DON'T USE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. A far better argument would be on, say, battery life?

What I'd be interested to know is if this chic new iPad dock with the keyboard attachment will work with iPhone (I presume the 30 pin connector on both devices is heterogenous). Would be kind of cool to type out texts on it when my iPad isn't charging. I'm not much of a fan of Apple's BT keyboard...
 
you're telling me AT&T customers right now can't use tethering?

LOL...that question right there is probably the funniest thing I've read in this thread. But to answer it, NO. As in, hell motherf***ng NO. AT&T promised delivery of such function by late 2009, and we're now approaching mid April of the following year. It's a joke, really. It took AT&T forever just to allow MMS. If tethering were the only new thing we see in the future, I'd be beyond pleased, as I'm sure a lot of other people would be as well.
 
What does iChat, which is a very low profile software application have to do with the next iPhone hardware?

Its probably going to be the software that runs the front facing camera for video conferencing which is hardware related.
 
The iPad has a resolution of 1024 x 768..
And a 960x640 app would certainly fit within that nicely.

Exactly doubling the iPhone's screen size makes any app certainly big enough to use well on the iPhone. It doesn't QUITE fill the screen, but by doubling the size exactly, the image quality will look much better than doubling it by 2.13958333333%

Since they're already pixel-doubling it, this is basically exactly what they're doing, except that iPhone OS 4 iPhone apps would be developing their apps AT the pixel-doubled size.
 
A front facing camera WON'T waste bandwidth UNLESS YOU USE IT! >.>

Ha ha, that's a good one!

I don't get why there is such animosity toward FFC. Just because you wouldn't use it doesn't mean it's a worthless addition.

The iPhone is such a small device—here is every little space more than precious. I don't want to carry around things all the time that I don't need.

So it's not only worthless but a WASTE. You could do better things with that space. That's why I am concerned about that silly rumor.

It has immense potential for a number of different real-world applications.

Please tell me what "immense potential" you see in such a stupid second camera what the first camera doesn't have.

I totally understand that improvement of the device's main camera should be a priority,

Yes. Absolutely. But what you probably get (according to MR article) is a second one, with maybe even worse IQ than number one.

IF YOU DON'T USE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Thanks again, I think I've got that now. Simply don't use it. :)
 
Apple should fire everybody who was NOT able to get the front facing camera into the iPad. That qualifies as not meeting a deadline. I mean come on, you work at Apple!
 
you're telling me AT&T customers right now can't use tethering?

LOL...that question right there is probably the funniest thing I've read in this thread. But to answer it, NO. As in, hell motherf***ng NO. AT&T promised delivery of such function by late 2009, and we're now approaching mid April of the following year. It's a joke, really. It took AT&T forever just to allow MMS. If tethering were the only new thing we see in the future, I'd be beyond pleased, as I'm sure a lot of other people would be as well.

There are a few hacks that allow it, but the official AT&T stance that it is not allowed. If you have the hack, it works great as long as you have a good 3g signal. AT&T said it would be available last year and have not mentioned it since.
 
Now that the iPhone has some rudimentary multitasking, nothing as good as the Pre but good enough, it's only a few steps behind what I'd consider my choice phone.

I hope they make the screen larger if they are going to be doubling the resolution, and hopefully it isn't offered on AT&T only. That's still the biggest downside of the iPhone.

I know LTE is the future 4G standard and all, but HTC's 4G EVO has me tickled pink. By the time Apple really makes an iPhone 4G, the market will have been flooded with 4G Android phones and tablets.

I think it's time for Apple to put their foot in the hardware side of the iPhone. Front facing camera can take a hike, let's get that first camera up to 5MP or more with good tonal quality and sharpness, and lets get a bigger screen shall we.
 
The iPad has a resolution of 1024 x 768..
The current gen iPhone has a pixel density of 163ppi. The iPad is only 132ppi. If the iPhone doubles its resolution, it's going to make the iPad look even more low-res than it already does...
 
+1. (@ anyone) Didn't AT&T say they were rolling out 4G/LTE network Q2/Q3 of 2011?

This is my concern. Will the new iphone support 4G this year? Next to impossible, I think. So maybe I'll just hang on to my 3G for another year and wait for the 2011 model.
 
Is there any supplier, anywhere in the world, producing a 960x640 display in the necessary form-factor to fit inside an iPhone?
 
I think there were lots of reasons to skip the 3G and 3Gs. Those of us who have stayed with the original iPhone have been paying $240/less a year in data/text charges and been immune to many of the dropped call issues suffered by 3G owners. The next iPhone upgrade is finally making an upgrade look worthwhile. Probably have a choice of carriers, better screen, multitasking.

Exactly. I try to make my phones last about 3 years, if possible, so I'm psyched about the possibilities this year. Upgrade time! Of course, there's a valid argument to be made for waiting another year for 4G. But the multitasking, etc., is just too hard to pass up.
 
Habakuk said:
Nobody needs it.

Nobody needs technology. It's not fundamental to our necessity to live. Food, water, and shelter is all we need. Your point is moot. If you don't care for a front-facing camera, cover it up with tape, and don't look at it. And honestly, if you're expecting more from the back-facing camera, and you'd rather see Apple pour more resources into that, why not just BUY A CAMERA?
 
Right. That's why everyone would rather live in Pakistan and Nigeria than in the United States and Europe.
the united states and europe are very different. virtually all of europe has free universal health care, and it doesn't operate like the DMV either. doctors sill make plenty of money too. people in london and france have more leisure time, get more paid vacation, are generally happier and live longer, and will PROTEST when things start to become unfair. the government there is more scared of the people revolting than it is here, so it serves them far better. in the US, we're taught from a young age to accept many unnatural things as "normal", so we're too chicken s*** to step out of line and question things openly - conditioned half the time to ignore how unbalanced and extreme the line between rich and poor is and say "well, they must deserve it."
That's not to say that capitalism is perfect - it's not. Many of the failures are specifically related to times when governments override capitalism to implement their own objectives, anyway. But it's irrelevant. Capitalism has been shown to be by far the best route to wealth AND elimination of poverty than any of the alternatives. The fact that you're disputing that fact simply means you're arguing from some philosophical point that's not supported by reality.
where the hell do you live? you know that moving to the suburbs doesn't make the poor, the starving, the sick and the homeless people disappear right? there are an estimated 40 million americans living below the "poverty line" which is set at about $10k a year, but even an annual income of $20 and $30k is still pretty god damn poor for an average city, so what are the numbers really? socialist systems can fail too, i'm not denying that, but it's because the idea has not been executed properly. so.. we have yet to get it just right, should we stop trying?? the US is partially to blame for a great deal of poverty in the rest of the world anyway, because of our capitalist system - taking far more than it gives. we have huge corporations where top executives live easy and make millions of dollars solely because of the HARD WORK done by masses of people in other countries for PENNIES an hour, or even making minimum wage right here in america who can barely afford to feed themselves. that's called ex-ploi-ta-tion.

LOL. May I suggest that you're on the wrong forums, you know, following a ruthlessly capitalist mega corporation.
yeah, too bad i can't afford their products. i got my g5 with student loan money because i needed it for school, and still haven't been able to pay a single penny towards it. i follow these forums because i like to read about how technology is improving.
Also, may I suggest that you whilst capitalism is not, by any means, a perfect system, it is the one that has proven itself to work best. Communism was a failed experiment. Socialism is great, if you don't mind living under dictatorial regime. Capitalism allows for a stable politics and relatively stable economy. As a side note, it is well documented in studies that countries emerging from ****-hole squalor to embrace capitalism has proven to be the greatest equaliser in income inequality. Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for life.
or force a man to fish for everyone else right?

we're told in america to believe that communism will never work because other countries have not been successful with implementing it. this is just another example of how america is just as much at fault for its failure as anything else. we never look at the potential of an idea do we? we see things as black or white, good or evil, right or wrong. there is a lot of wisdom to be had from people like marx and lenin, and we even utilize many socialist ideas in america (like taxes). why then are we always so quick to reject all of their teachings? i'll tell you one shortcoming of communism is that it focuses too much on the redistribution wealth and not enough on what should take the place of money altogether. the resources on this planet are limited, and they are what allows us to survive, so obviously they are more valuable than money, yet we still worship and emphasize sheer "purchasing power" (wall street) and don't acknowledge that the earth is a living organism just like each of us are. you can't deprive 80% of the world's population of the essentials like food and shelter indefinitely for the good of the other 20%, because once they're gone or quit, everyone's F*ed. not to mention if we continue to consume like we do much longer regardless of who is working, we'll be screwed as well.

we have a tendency to not implement better technology until scarcity forces us to innovate. the obvious example is energy. we can power the entire world for a year with the energy our sun provides in a day and we HAVE the technology necessary to harness that power and achieve this. so why aren't we investing in building solar panels in the deserts and directing free energy to everyone's homes? we baby step the ENTIRE WAY just to make MONEY. fact: there is now regulation requiring all cars made in the US to have an average fuel efficiency of 35mpg by the year 2016 -- when we have been capable of making cars that get over 100mpg for decades already!

we are unnecessarily blowing up mountains for coal and fighting wars over oil all for MONEY that will only make the richest people on earth even richer. jesus christ. these are REAL problems.
 
why not just BUY A CAMERA?

Thanks for the hint. Do you really want to know how many cameras I own?

Let me point that out again: The iPhone camera is the only one that everyone has almost always in his shirt pocket. This is the huge difference to all other cameras. So this "first and only" camera on iPhone has to be as good as possible. I described that a bit more expansively here (previous in this thread). And take care of it. Use a case that covers the lens—it's on a exposed place and prone to scratches.
 
or force a man to fish for everyone else right?

we're told in america to believe that communism will never work because other countries have not been successful with implementing it. this is just another example of how america is just as much at fault for its failure as anything else. we never look at the potential of an idea do we? we see things as black or white, good or evil, right or wrong. there is a lot of wisdom to be had from people like marx and lenin, and we even utilize many socialist ideas in america (like taxes). why then are we always so quick to reject all of their teachings? i'll tell you one shortcoming of communism is that it focuses too much on the redistribution wealth and not enough on what should take the place of money altogether. the resources on this planet are limited, and they are what allows us to survive, so obviously they are more valuable than money, yet we still worship and emphasize sheer "purchasing power" (wall street) and don't acknowledge that the earth is a living organism just like each of us are. you can't deprive 80% of the world's population of the essentials like food and shelter indefinitely for the good of the other 20%, because once they're gone or quit, everyone's F*ed. not to mention if we continue to consume like we do much longer regardless of who is working, we'll be screwed as well.

we have a tendency to not implement better technology until scarcity forces us to innovate. the obvious example is energy. we can power the entire world for a year with the energy our sun provides in a day and we HAVE the technology necessary to harness that power and achieve this. so why aren't we investing in building solar panels in the deserts and directing free energy to everyone's homes? we baby step the ENTIRE WAY just to make MONEY. fact: there is now regulation requiring all cars made in the US to have an average fuel efficiency of 35mpg by the year 2016 -- when we have been capable of making cars that get over 100mpg for decades already!

we are unnecessarily blowing up mountains for coal and fighting wars over oil all for MONEY that will only make the richest people on earth even richer. jesus christ. these are REAL problems.

Ok first, fuel in the UK just hit an average of £1.20 at the pumps. If Iraq/Afghanistan was about oil like all these ****ing hippies have been telling me, I'm about ready for a drop in fuel prices. Seeing as this hasn't happened, I'll leave the conspiracy theory ******** where it belongs - the garbage. Please don't be asinine enough to think that the current situation in the middle east was driven by oil, this isn't ****ing colonialism.

Next, I'd like you to point you a particularly poignant example as to why socialism/communism fails. It DOES NOT promote any form of innovation, nor strive to improve.

In a class, a professor decided to illustrate with a socialist experiment. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

Socialism is about equality of outcomes, rather than equality of opportunities. If everybody is going to get the same outcome, regardless of how much effort they put in, why the hell would anybody bother to put in effort, period?

Finally, this nonsense about cars doing over 100mpg is a lie. Give me proof. Any of these hybrid cars that claim ridiculous MPG cycles are a con - where does the electricity come to power them from? Fossil fuel sources. Unless you're talking hydrogen-powered cars - which are ludicrously expensive due to the extremely volatile nature of hydrogen and the heightened security measures required to actually get it from A to B - NO CAR IN EXISTENCE TODAY CAN GET CLOSE TO 100MPG. Contrary to popular Internet belief, making up examples DOES NOT strengthen ones argument.

As a closing thought: I live in the UK. We had the socialist experiment in the 1960s and 1970s. In the USA, you've never even come close purely because the structure of your nations' constitution does not allow for it as much. Our socialist period in the 1960s and 1970s nearly bankrupted the country and could have ended up destroying it. Look up the Winter of Discontent and Harold Wilson's devaluation of the Sterling and you'll see what kind of fall-out the country had to deal with.

Apologies for veering wildly off-topic, but I'm genetically incapable of leaving controversial opinions unchallenged. And yes, I am aware of the irony.
 
Ok first, fuel in the UK just hit an average of £1.20 at the pumps. If Iraq/Afghanistan was about oil like all these ****ing hippies have been telling me, I'm about ready for a drop in fuel prices. Seeing as this hasn't happened, I'll leave the conspiracy theory ******** where it belongs - the garbage. Please don't be asinine enough to think that the current situation in the middle east was driven by oil, this isn't ****ing colonialism.

Next, I'd like you to point you a particularly poignant example as to why socialism/communism fails. It DOES NOT promote any form of innovation, nor strive to improve.

Socialism is about equality of outcomes, rather than equality of opportunities. If everybody is going to get the same outcome, regardless of how much effort they put in, why the hell would anybody bother to put in effort, period?

Finally, this nonsense about cars doing over 100mpg is a lie. Give me proof. Any of these hybrid cars that claim ridiculous MPG cycles are a con - where does the electricity come to power them from? Fossil fuel sources. Unless you're talking hydrogen-powered cars - which are ludicrously expensive due to the extremely volatile nature of hydrogen and the heightened security measures required to actually get it from A to B - NO CAR IN EXISTENCE TODAY CAN GET CLOSE TO 100MPG. Contrary to popular Internet belief, making up examples DOES NOT strengthen ones argument.

As a closing thought: I live in the UK. We had the socialist experiment in the 1960s and 1970s. In the USA, you've never even come close purely because the structure of your nations' constitution does not allow for it as much. Our socialist period in the 1960s and 1970s nearly bankrupted the country and could have ended up destroying it. Look up the Winter of Discontent and Harold Wilson's devaluation of the Sterling and you'll see what kind of fall-out the country had to deal with.

Apologies for veering wildly off-topic, but I'm genetically incapable of leaving controversial opinions unchallenged. And yes, I am aware of the irony.
So you're for socialism?
 
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