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1.1.1 Jailbreak Complete, Security Ramifications
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This means two things, I think
Both of the above should be embarrassing to Apple. I think their software developers and QA testers are spread to thin. Neither of these things should be inside the iPhone. I'm sure Apple will fix at least #1 quickly.
If people want to write applications on a phone why not simply buy a pjone that is based on Open Source Linux? Buy one of these phones and it is as open as your own desktop computer.
- there is a error (bug) in the TIFF reader library some place and,
- They are running safari as root.
Both of the above should be embarrassing to Apple. I think their software developers and QA testers are spread to thin. Neither of these things should be inside the iPhone. I'm sure Apple will fix at least #1 quickly.
If people want to write applications on a phone why not simply buy a pjone that is based on Open Source Linux? Buy one of these phones and it is as open as your own desktop computer.
Ive got 2 brand spanking untouched iphones, I believe both v1.02, which Ive been holding off jailbreaking/unlocking for some weeks now. Im in the UK and do not want an O2 contract. With Leopard just around the corner, Im wondering what to do - as when I upgrade (on the day its released) I will no longer have the necessary version of itunes installed (v7.4.1) (although I do have an old PC Id prefer to not have to PC sync)
Its 1 thing to not update the iphone, but to be unable to sync it or even upgrade my mac to leopard is another.
You can install Leopard in a new partition. Or transfer your existing OS X to a partition of an external drive using Disk Utility (make disk image and restore).
Do you think all iPhone users use that web site? Only a small subsection of users knows about it. For the users who knows about it, a portion did not see the poll and the ones who see the poll can choose not to participate in the poll due to various reasons (i.e. they don't participate in polls).
Exactly. Very small percentage. There could be more and there could be less. But not enough for Apple to reconsider.
And trust me. I've hacked several of my previous phones to my own liking but Motorola, Nokia, Sony etc. never issued updates that threw a wrench into things. Apple will and will continue to do so. I'd really like to utilize a MMS client. But the way you have to go about it is not worth the hassle at this point of time.
Why?
So, people are now going to use a security vulnerabilty to "jailbreak" their iPhones only a few weeks after Apple squashed the previous method for doing so? How long will it be before Apple plugs this hole? And your iPhone is an iBrick? Then you'll complain, threaten to sue, raise holy hell in the forums, etc.
I'm generally in favor of the user being able to do what he wishes with the product he has purchased. You paid for it. It's your choice. Apple has made it very clear that they don't want third party development happening for the iPhone (outside the Safari environment) right now. So while it's your choice to apply these hacks to the phone, I'm pretty sick of the whining that goes along with Apple firmware updates.
And now we have class-action lawsuits? It's absurd. No one is suing car companies over the inability to install Tetris on the built-in computer. Apple doesn't *owe* the user anything beyond what has been sold. Apple views the iPhone as a CE device, not a computer, and therefore doesn't want you messing around with it. So, stop whining when you screw something up and take responsibility for your own actions!
I love my iPhone and, quite frankly, haven't seen a single third party app that justifies "jailbreaking" my phone. Furthermore, since I know that Apple is never going to embrace the hackers who are hacking the phone or the hacked phones themselves, why jailbreak in the first place? The value added is marginal at best and you risk turning your phone into a $400 paperweight. Sorry, I just don't get it.
So please, if you apply these hacks and something goes wrong or Apple plugs the hack in the next firmware update, do us all a favor and stop whining about it!!! And no stupid lawsuits. There are enough of those already.
So, people are now going to use a security vulnerabilty to "jailbreak" their iPhones only a few weeks after Apple squashed the previous method for doing so? How long will it be before Apple plugs this hole? And your iPhone is an iBrick? Then you'll complain, threaten to sue, raise holy hell in the forums, etc.
I'm generally in favor of the user being able to do what he wishes with the product he has purchased. You paid for it. It's your choice. Apple has made it very clear that they don't want third party development happening for the iPhone (outside the Safari environment) right now. So while it's your choice to apply these hacks to the phone, I'm pretty sick of the whining that goes along with Apple firmware updates.
And now we have class-action lawsuits? It's absurd. No one is suing car companies over the inability to install Tetris on the built-in computer. Apple doesn't *owe* the user anything beyond what has been sold. Apple views the iPhone as a CE device, not a computer, and therefore doesn't want you messing around with it. So, stop whining when you screw something up and take responsibility for your own actions!
I love my iPhone and, quite frankly, haven't seen a single third party app that justifies "jailbreaking" my phone. Furthermore, since I know that Apple is never going to embrace the hackers who are hacking the phone or the hacked phones themselves, why jailbreak in the first place? The value added is marginal at best and you risk turning your phone into a $400 paperweight. Sorry, I just don't get it.
So please, if you apply these hacks and something goes wrong or Apple plugs the hack in the next firmware update, do us all a favor and stop whining about it!!! And no stupid lawsuits. There are enough of those already.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people are doing it. Maybe not even 50%, but just remember there are more than 1,000,000 sold and 50% is still a lot of people.
Very true. I wonder if Apple really does anything w/ that. Just remember that actions speak louder than words. Maybe if enough people hack their phones, Apple will release a real SDK for native apps.
So, you're claiming that because only 4,851 people said they hacked their iPhones on some random MacRumors poll, that's the total number of phones that have been hacked?
As I've explained to you in two other threads, this is not how polls work. But since you clearly can't grasp that, let me follow your logic and show how even if we take your approach, you're wrong.
You see, MacRumors has 114,394 registered users. That means that the 4,851 who said they hacked their phone represent just about 4.25% of total users.
But wait, not everyone on MacRumors has an iPhone. In fact, most people here don't, which is obvious from reading the forums. Still, I'd say 1 in 5 users (or 20%) is a very generous number, so let's go with that.
If 20% of MacRumors users have a phone (22,879 total) that means the number who admit to hacking their phone is actually 21%.
If we take that 21% and apply it to all iPhones sold, we have 200,000 hacked iPhones. Heck, even if we use the 4.25% number and assume EVERYONE on MacRumors has an iPhone, that's still over 40,000 hackers.
Congratulations, you just proved that there's even more iPhone hackers than I suspected! Brilliant!
The product is only a few months old for goodness sakes!!! Have some patience. Sheesh.
The iPod was out for years before Apple started embracing third party partners, apps, etc. And they did so (and continue to do so) in a measured, calculated way to ensure a quality user experience.
Give Apple a chance. The iPhone is a new product and they don't want you screwing around with it right now. You want IM? There are several web-based IM clients available now. Just as there are many other interesting third party apps that don't require violating your license agreement and voiding your warranty. Yeah, an NES emulator is really worth it. Give me a break.
This is CE device. The majority of people buying it have no interest in hacking it. They're too busy working or using their iPhones productively to hack it so they can run an NES emulator. Woohoo!
You're living in a fantasy land if you think 50% of iPhone customers are hacking their phones. Try .5%.
Sounds like the kid who thinks that if he tantrums enough, his parents will give him what he wants. Utterly puerile logic.
If you don't want to hack it, then get the latest firmware. Other people hacking their phone won't affect stability or security of YOUR phone.
If you do want to hack it, then you know the risks. No whining if you choose to install new firmware even if warnings are not to. And keep a copy of all the tools and iTunes image you use.
If you do want to hack it, then you know the risks. No whining if you choose to install new firmware even if warnings are not to. And keep a copy of all the tools and iTunes image you use.
The iPhone - especially the original - was never intended to function as much more than a music player with a few throwaway Apple apps (like Bricks and contacts) on it.
Anything that happened after the fact was a natural evolution of a the product.
The iPhone was specifically released to do several things - be a phone, a world class web navigator and a music player, and run Mac OS X for future application development.
They're two very different things.
If you'd bothered to RTFT before posting, you'd know that there are developers not relying on the "vulnerabilty" to jailbreak the the iPhone.
But then you wouldn't have the chance to post a rant about hypothetical whiners.
Not that I think the number is anywhere near 50%, it's certainly more than .5%, as we had that many people admit to hacking their iPhone in the aforementioned MacRumors poll, alone!
My realistic guess is 5 - 15%, probably closer to 10%. But I think it's a lot more than the low-ballers think, and a lot less than the high-ballers do...
Not only are you using the vulnerability to unlock the iPhone, but the vulnerability is still present for someone else to install what ever else they want on your iPhone and you can not stop them.
This is common in the windows world, good sites get hacked and the hacker install malware to infect all users that visit the page. You maybe next.
Besides, Apple will patch this one in a few days, around the time that that they release Leopard. It will bring new functionality that most people will find it hard not to upgrade the iPhone.
I see more bricks for my brick wall.
This is common in the windows world, good sites get hacked and the hacker install malware to infect all users that visit the page. You maybe next.
Besides, Apple will patch this one in a few days, around the time that that they release Leopard. It will bring new functionality that most people will find it hard not to upgrade the iPhone.
I see more bricks for my brick wall.
Um, just because it runs a flavor of OS X doesn't mean that Apple intended it to be available for future application development. They never said this. In fact, they said quite the opposite. But the whiners, clearly, don't hear very well.
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I posted a lot of related posts stating most of what is stated in this article in the previous thread "
Preliminary iPhone 1.1.1 'Jailbreak', Ringtones Soon?
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A little credit would not hurt.
I posted a lot of related posts stating most of what is stated in this article in the previous thread "
Preliminary iPhone 1.1.1 'Jailbreak', Ringtones Soon?
"
A little credit would not hurt.
Why is it any of your business or concern what people do with the things they buy themselves?
I'd also like to point out (for the "OMG illegal hax" crowd) that Apple doesn't make you sign a contract when you buy an iPhone in a store. You hand over cash and you get a box - on planet Earth, we call that a sale. Additional terms imposed on the purchaser after the conclusion of the sale are essentially unenforceable. That's right, kids: most EULAs are unenforceable in non-UCITA states. Look it up.
As much as some people don't like the iPhone Dev team and don't want to actually install the 3rd party apps they develop, you have to say this about them... they find Apple's bugs
Long term you are absolutly right,
I hope they are being responsible and reporting the bug details to Apple instead of showing the BlackHacks how to attack iPhone users.
I hope Apple develops a patch this week as users are exposed. But likely they will wait until Leopard is released.
Well, Steve Jobs said the reason the phone has OS X is because:
"It let us create desktop class applications and networking, not the crippled stuff you find on most phones. These are real desktop applications."
If that's not a statment that there would be future application development, I don't know what is. In any case, there's currently no desktop class applications on the iPhone, so I'm still waiting.
"It let US create...", as in Apple, not as in random hacker. Sure, down the road, Apple might release an SDK or start working with a handful of blessed developers. All possible. But that's pure speculation and has nothing to do with "jailbreaking" the phone.