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1.2GHz G4s

To 1.4 or not to depends on one thing: can Mot get enough of them?

Suppose they can't get enough of them by july, apple might still announce them then and only ship it later on... That would be better than to keep it at 1.2 I think.

for those not believing a jump of 400 MHz is possible, consider this: if I'm not mistaking the new 7470 has a deeper pipeline, which might make it easier to make such a jump...

Of course, I'm only speculating...
 
Originally posted by TechLarry

I know this sounds silly, but it's no more silly than Apple sticking with a Processor supplier that is so far behind X86 speeds that it isn't even comical any more.

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Speed Smeed. Look, what does it take for people to understand that MHZ doesn't mean speed. Look at AMD. 600 MHZ behind, and kicking Intel's collective A$$. Get it into your heads. MHZ is like horsepower. It doesn't mean ****!
 
Bye Bye Motorola?

MWNY seems to be shaping up as one of the biggest events for Apple in some time. It seems to be almost a given that there will be a new motherboard design for the PMG4s.

So, could Apple be moving to a new processor architecture? 😉
 
Originally posted by Backtothemac


Speed Smeed. Look, what does it take for people to understand that MHZ doesn't mean speed. Look at AMD. 600 MHZ behind, and kicking Intel's collective A$$. Get it into your heads. MHZ is like horsepower. It doesn't mean ****!
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Not always (for horsepower)... But just raw numbers don't mean much. You could have 200hp with little torque and you won't go all that fast. The same 200hp with a heathly dose of torque and you will leave rubber on the road.

AMD has better chips, for less money then intel. Even though intel has the MHz/GHz numbers over AMD, the AMD chips more then hold their own. When you look at performance per dollar, you get a lot more value from AMD then intel.

Apple's systems may not have the MHz/GHz numbers, but they still perform a hell of a lot better then what people think the MHz/GHz numbers mean.

Peecee people seem to just look at GHz, and not at what they get for those numbers. Where Mac users know better and look at the overall system as well as what they need. I think that Mac users buy systems that suit them better then peecee people/users.
 
Re: Bye Bye Motorola?

Originally posted by sedarby
MWNY seems to be shaping up as one of the biggest events for Apple in some time. It seems to be almost a given that there will be a new motherboard design for the PMG4s.

So, could Apple be moving to a new processor architecture? 😉
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I must warn you that if you mean X86 instead of PPC, then you must run. Run as fast as you can to avoid the flames and pulse blasts coming from Alphatech's gun.

Hope you have some kevlar body armour if that is what you mean.

If it is, the polite simple answer is no, won't happen, never, no way. 2 Chances, slim and none and slim just died.
 
Re: Re: Bye Bye Motorola?

Originally posted by Backtothemac


I must warn you that if you mean X86 instead of PPC, then you must run. Run as fast as you can to avoid the flames and pulse blasts coming from Alphatech's gun.

Hope you have some kevlar body armour if that is what you mean.

If it is, the polite simple answer is no, won't happen, never, no way. 2 Chances, slim and none and slim just died.
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None is just shaking his head in pity... 😀 I believe I harm him muttering "you poor, poor bastard"...

Arming weapons... muahahahaaaa
 
A testimonial: Mac = excellent value / Put the POWER back in PowerMac

In 1997 I purchased a 9600/350 {320 mgs ram, ati 128, audiomedia III card OS8.6} My PowerMac has been a very good investment for me. My DSL web connection seems slow, but speed is not an issue in other apps (ok, except photoshop). When I purchased MystIII Exile, I forgot to check the system requirements(way below specs), people with P2's were posting all sorts of problems, I updated QT and my 9600 worked fine.

I use the computer daily and I have not had a system crash in over three years ! (although IE does freeze). My PowerMac is stable and trouble free. Most non Mac friends have gone through two or three computers since I purchased mine. Based on my experience the Macintosh is an excellent value (remember in '97 I paid over $4000) Believe me I did not purchase the 9600 for the way it looked, and it has been an incredible workhorse.

I will get a new Mac soon, prob within 18 months depending my needs, more MHz not being at the top of the list, but...

Yes, new G4's/G5's should be the fastest they can be. Quad cpu's? 2GHz+? Big F***ing DDR pipe? all that and more!

Apple can make hands down the best OS, I expect them to produce the best hardware as well, they have done amazing things since '97(Steve has saved Apple, transformed the look of the PC). The time for new hardware to lag behind, or play catch-up is over, I think they know that, I just hope Apple delivers as excellent a machine for 2002/2003 as I was able to purchase five years ago.
 
Not so!

Okay, a while back there was some speculation that IBMs POWER series of processors might be a likely candidate.

If Apple EVER tried to use an Intel, AMD or other processor linked to Microsoft it would be corporate suicide.

I only propose that since a motherboard redesign is imminent wouldn't a more advanced RISC processor be a possiblility (no matter how remote this possibility may be)?

Flame if you must but at least entertain the possibility that Mototrola may be pink slipped.
 
Re: Not so!

Originally posted by sedarby
Okay, a while back there was some speculation that IBMs POWER series of processors might be a likely candidate.

If Apple EVER tried to use an Intel, AMD or other processor linked to Microsoft it would be corporate suicide.

I only propose that since a motherboard redesign is imminent wouldn't a more advanced RISC processor be a possiblility (no matter how remote this possibility may be)?

Flame if you must but at least entertain the possibility that Mototrola may be pink slipped.
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Ah, you misunderstand my young padawan. Yes, they could get pink slipped, but them having a secret roadmap for a secret processor. I really doubt it. They have to make that stuff public so that they can keep the stocks going. They have laid off thousands of people this last year, and would have revealed any secret projects they were working on.

Be mindful of your thoughts, they betray you.....
 
Re: Not so!

Originally posted by sedarby
Okay, a while back there was some speculation that IBMs POWER series of processors might be a likely candidate.

If Apple EVER tried to use an Intel, AMD or other processor linked to Microsoft it would be corporate suicide.

I only propose that since a motherboard redesign is imminent wouldn't a more advanced RISC processor be a possiblility (no matter how remote this possibility may be)?

Flame if you must but at least entertain the possibility that Mototrola may be pink slipped.
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Moto could get the pink slip, but not before Apple developes a newer processor and lines someone up to produce it. That could happen with the G5 or G6 but not before then. Even then, it WON'T be based on ANY sh*tty x86/intel architecture.

Oh, and before Apple would switch processor makers, it would made damned sure that the company could produce the product as promised and on time. No more waiting for a company to pump up the production of a processor.
 
For my 3rd post ever to MacRumors.com I shall take heed of the advice given. I don't believe Apple wants or should get into the processor design and fabrication business.

Not to contradict myself, but the number one reason not to shift to a new architecture is the delivery of 10.2 which would not be promised by end of summer if a new processor was in the works.

Oh well, so much for hopeful wishing.
 
Originally posted by sedarby
Oh well, so much for hopeful wishing.
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Don't stop wishing or dreaming... Remember all the people begging for a rackmount Mac server??? See what happened??? 😀

I was one of those saying it wouldn't happen, and Apple prooved me wrong. I would suggest that you can speculate all you want, but nothing is known until Apple makes the release.
 
Originally posted by TyleRomeo

You can easily compare a computer to a car.

GHZ=horsepower

horsepower doesnt always equal speed
there are other factors involved such as the weight of the car, it's transmition, clutch, intake system ect....
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Actually, MHz/GHz == RPM.

Saying that a P4 is faster than a G4 is like saying that a little compact running at 6000 rpm and a max speed of 55 mph is faster than a Ferrari with a V-12, which can do 130 mph at just 2500 rpm.
 
Not Sure about Purchasing

Hello, I am a 1st timer to this message board. I am in the market for a new G4 and the Apple 17inch LCD and am a little hesitant to make a purchase right now with MWNY coming up. (Even though those rebates do look good!)

I was thinking about getting the 933 since I read that it has a 40% performance increase over the 800, but now I am hesitant because I am thinking that the entry level G4 Power Mac after MWNY will be 1Gz. The current 933 is around $2299 and I am anticipating that the new entry level machine will be a little under $1700.

Can anyone give me any advice as to whether I should purchase the 933 now or wait till after MWNY?

Thanks!
 
Does anyone question SGI's MHz

SGI workstation are running at speeds of 300-600MHz, 64bit processors though. I don't hear anyone tossing their name into this megahertz myth foray. Proof is in the performance.

I agree that MHz/GHz = RPM's. Mainly because Horspower is a measurement of Work (physics fans). RPM is a measurement of cycles/frequency, just like MHz/GHz. It's how much work is done during the cycles that counts.

No part is greater than the sum of them all. You could have all the horsepower in the world, but if your tires can't hook up, it's pointless.
 
The current 933 is around $2299 and I am anticipating that the new entry level machine will be a little under $1700.
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If you look at it that way, wait. Especially if you want that speed and not the latest and greatest that will be released MWNY.
Do you really need a computer now though? Can you be making money instead of waiting?
 
Hey Alpha~

In reply to your question a page back.
as to where I have been?

You know how it is, working.
Still waiting for my Ti, Apple gave me a parts late email. Damn!

iFresh~ Wait till NewYork. There is no doubt! You must wait!
The newest and the best will be coming out then and all the other stuff will be reduced in price. If you buy now you will be smashing yourself in the head.
And I know that it gonna hurt. Hold back on your desire and be patient, its only about 6 weeks.
Go to a lot of movies and read a few books. Get into something cool and the time will pass, thats what i do when I am waiting for a new computer or something else cool.
 
Maybe if it's a PPC7470 we'll get a big jump like with the PPC7450

I put together this table on my site.

G4 and Pentium 4 CPU history

If you think apple have got problems with Mhz, just check this out, once you're read through this little article you'll see why intel still make Pentium III chips.

2Ghz Pentium 4 vs 1.2Ghz Pentium 3

From all the info I've gathered from the various sites to put the table together, I've proved one thing that could make G4s over 1.2Ghz a possibilty with the PPC7470 if the past is anything to go by.

With 2 additional pipelines and 3 additional pipeline stages the G4 increased by almost 50% with the PPC7450 over the PPC7400/PPC7410, Maybe we'll see the same kind of speed hike this time if we're really lucky.

Also, notice how each speed bump on the mac is getting less and less while the PC is almost dwindling to insignificance. I know we're spinning slower right now but the actual speed increase of a 1Ghz G4 to 1.2Ghz G4 would be more significant than the increases PCs are getting now they're over 2.5Ghz.

If I had the cash, I'd happily buy a 1Ghz or 1.2Ghz G4 this year, safe in the knowledge that come january, I might get a 1.4Ghz mac to replace, that would still be a 16 or 40% increase depending on what model I bought.

If the Pentium 4 makes it to 3Ghz this year, that's only an 18% increase. How many people with PCs would bother with whatever intel release between now and 3Ghz cpus hitting the shelves. I doubt many would.

I just hope steve jobs keeps up with feature add ons aswell, an audio input wouldn't go a miss.
 
Cars all run on the same roads And don't blame Moto

You car guys have good points but neither the computer/car analogies go beyond the simple MHz isn't everything statement. There's a problem with; different make cars, vs different make personal computers. Cars all run on the same roads, and the internal combustion engines of different make cars use basically the same fuel, which is readily available at the same places. The engines and most components are virtually technologically identical between different makes. ...But, it wasn't always so.

In it's infancy the auto industry had steam engines, electric motors, two cycle internal combustion engines, as well as four cycle internal combustion engines, which finally overtook the others. The market weeded out the different.

I don't expect this to happen to personal computers, and let's hope it doesn't.

On another note: Apple would not announce severing it's relationship with Moto with a new non Moto CPU except as a last resort. That would be seen as an extreme move by Apple and would look very bad to other development partners.

What Apple puts in it's computers is ultimatly Apple's responsibility. But, they are not stupid, and they are also not apt to repeat the same mistakes. And, What Moto did in the past doesn't predict what it will do in the future.
 
Ship?

I need a new PowerMac for work around the end of June- early July. Looking at all the hype over MWNY- I think I'm going to have to wait till July 7th.

I am hoping that the new PowerMacs will ship as soon as they are announced. Does anyone remember how long it took new PowerMacs to ship last time Apple made an announcement? (Will I have to wait till the end of July to actually use one of these new PowerMacs?)

Also, just curious, but does anybody know if the rebates on Apple LCD when buying a new PowerMac are pretty standard? Meaning that after the release of the new PowerMacs, will there likely be a special deal on LCD's with the purchase of a PowerMac?

Thanks.

(Looks like it's going to be a long 6 weeks till MWNY!)
 
oh yea, baby!

It IS going to be a long 6 weeks!

Very Long , indeed!

I ordered a ton of computer books and magazines and cool stuff, and a Ti.
To distract me for the next 6 weeks, I hope it works!

It will be worth the wait.

All my friends and i do is sit around drinking coffee and telling each other that the freakin DDR ram better come out in the powermacs this time around.
Or there is gonna be a lynchin!
 
Re: oh yea, baby!

Originally posted by Grokgod

All my friends and i do is sit around drinking coffee and telling each other that the freakin DDR ram better come out in the powermacs this time around.
Or there is gonna be a lynchin!
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I am truly embarrassed to have read that.
 
sorry about that.

I think it was obvious that I was being kinda uhh sarcastic in a blunt way.
But we did talk about it again last night at a party, just the way that we all talk on the subject here at mac rumors. Except that there are actually people and faces looking and talking at you.

Does that embaress you also> do you type posts in the closet?

Well, we didnt lynch anyone or even propose it, was that the embaressing part?
The lynching?
 
Do you guys honestly think these mac systems are faster than windows counterparts on the apps i listed.
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As a user of both Mac and Win (laptops and desktops) I'll share my experiences. I use an ibook 600MHz 12" with all the RAM it will hold and it is a great laptop that I carry in my backpack. However, I'm a heavy user and run OSX (10.1.4) and OfficeX and other software is not as fat as when I run OS9 on the same machine (and surely not as snappy as on my Mac or Win desktops or Win laptop). I frequently see a spinning beachball while the machine waits to complete tasks like printing and saving files. I live with that because it is not my primary computer--it syncs with my desktop, and I use it wireless at work around the office in meetings and at home, and on the road. The machine is bombproof, goes for weeks at a time sleeping/waking, networked and disconnected without rebooting--OSX is super, but it is, in my opinion, slower than many other configurations under heavy use (many programs open, many docked items, many processes running at the same time) with my 600MHz G3. In my experience, OS9 isn't that stable, but it makes things more snappy. I use a dual 500 G4 for my desktop Mac and it is great--fast at most everything. I'd have no hesitation recommending a dual Gig or better when they arrive. If you want to run OSX on a laptop I'd suggest a TiBook. My Win machines work fine and I need them for specific software, however, the UI is inferior--things are easier to do on a Mac. Hope this is helpful. Best wishes,

Nathan
 
I use iMacs so I have no need for faster PM's but still, 1.4GHz would be nice, just to know it exists...1.2 will also be alright...although 1.2 is more realistic than the slightly optimistic 1.4 dual, 1.4 is possible enough to happen I'm guessing...well it's only another few weeks so let's sit back and see what comes of it..
 
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