1.8" Sata SSD in Powerbook G4 w/ bench scores

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Well ran some bench marks on the Samsung 1.8" SATA SSD. I used X-Bench 1.3 as that seems to be the only benchmark I can find that will do HDD on a PPC Mac. I'm using a 64GB 1.8" USATA SSD with a IDE 44 pin PATA > Micro SATA adapter. It's noticeably faster during startup, under 30 seconds and I'm running 10.4 Tiger with 1.67ghz G4 and 1GB DDR memory.

As you can see everything fits perfectly within the same size as a normal 2.5" laptop hard drive. I just put it inside a little sleeve so nothing shorts out?iii
 

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I was just researching mSATA SSDs for my iBook!
I have a question you might be able to answer:
Would this work with this?
No? That's mini PCIe, I don't know if that's the same as MSATA? Look for the one I posted. It's 64GB and just a few dollars more. I think I seen them cheaper that what I got mine for. For a iBook or Powerbook, it seems perfect. I will never fill it all since this is not my main computer.
 

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I was just researching mSATA SSDs for my iBook!
I have a question you might be able to answer:
Would this work with this?
That would kind of work. That adapter is not designed to hold mSATA cards in place. Because of that it will move around and fall out. Something like this would be a better option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/mSATA-SSD-to-44pin-IDE-adapter-with-PATA-2-5-IDE-HDD-Housing-ST663FD9-/161222385357?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item25899a5ecd

No? That's mini PCIe. Look for the one I posted. It's 64GB and just a few dollars more. I think I seen them cheaper that what I got mine for. For a iBook or Powerbook, it seems perfect. I will never fill it all since this is not my main computer.
mSATA uses the same physical connector as mini PCIe.
 

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That would kind of work. That adapter is not designed to hold mSATA cards in place. Because of that it will move around and fall out. Something like this would be a better option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/mSATA-SSD-to-44pin-IDE-adapter-with-PATA-2-5-IDE-HDD-Housing-ST663FD9-/161222385357?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item25899a5ecd



mSATA uses the same physical connector as mini PCIe.
It's wedge in there good so there's really no room for it to move around or become disconnected.

Thanks, I wasn't sure as I ninja edited my post. :p
 

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It's wedge in there good so there's really no room for it to move around or become disconnected.

Thanks, I wasn't sure as I ninja edited my post. :p
jrsx's proposed SSD solution would use a SSD card that is much smaller than your SSD. With so much extra room, it would very likely come lose.
 

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jrsx's proposed SSD solution would use a SSD card that is much smaller than your SSD. With so much extra room, it would very likely come lose.
The connector you proposed is much more expensive than the one I posted - do you have an SSD in mind that would fit and not fall out that would work with the converter I posted?
EDIT: I looked around and found this bridge; would it work with this?
@Intell, as you can see, there's not much room for fooling around in here; Orange's SSD proposal just might work in my G4 as well.
 
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Thanks for the links! I hope to do something like this in one of my PowerBook G4s (either 12" 1.5GHz or 15" 1.67GHz DLSD). I want to finish my Mac Pro rebuild first.
 

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Let me see, if I get/got this right.

When I was searching for this topic to make my choice, I was told by two independent sources:
- the first link with the small blue board is micro-SATA and won't fit mini-SATA/mSATA/m-PCIe SSDs. (so I did not get the blue one, which I initially planned because of the price).
- the green connectors, for 24USD is the same type as the 15USD.
- 1,8" SSD in my ibook 1,2GHz leaves half the space free. I will post a picture later. (I still have it opened, since I am not sure, I will keep the SSD. It is hotter than the stock HDD and both a 160GB WD and 320GB WD HDD.)
- 2,5" SATA-SSD with adapter = not enough space in ibook.

I forgot one info, maybe I will remember in the evening...
I will also test temperature for my Crucial mSATA SSD during the day and report back.
 

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The connector you proposed is much more expensive than the one I posted - do you have an SSD in mind that would fit and not fall out that would work with the converter I posted?
EDIT: I looked around and found this bridge; would it work with this?
@Intell, as you can see, there's not much room for fooling around in here; Orange's SSD proposal just might work in my G4 as well.
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Yes those two things will work together. While Orange's adapter setup may work for you, the SSD will fall out. There is too much room for a mSATA card to hold itself in with just his adapter.
 

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So, here is a 1,2GHz ibook G4 (early2005), with:

a) mSATA SSD + mSATA to IDE Adapter
b) the HDD put to the left as far as possible (the cable socket prevents it from pushing it further to the left). One can see how "much" space there is.
c) a SATA-HDD with SATA to IDE connector, not possible, not enough room.
 

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Yes those two things will work together. While Orange's adapter setup may work for you, the SSD will fall out. There is too much room for a mSATA card to hold itself in with just his adapter.
But I thought mSATA / miniSATA (SSD and green adapter) is not the same as microSATA (blue adapter). :confused:


Btw: I have that board design for the adapters that can be had for 11,60USD (the two ads beginning with JMT) http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=mSATA+adapter+IDE&rh=i:aps,k:mSATA+adapter+IDE (it is the same as the 21,-USD thing here http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SATA-Cables-mSATA-Adapter/dp/B009BA8V4M/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1394224473&sr=8-5&keywords=mSATA+adapter+IDE
Here is a picture that is not so washed out http://www.amazon.de/Adapter-mSATA-SSD-5-Zoll-IDE-44-polig-männlich/dp/B00CHPVKYQ/ref=pd_cp_computers_0/279-0974123-2643405
 
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Yes those two things will work together. While Orange's adapter setup may work for you, the SSD will fall out. There is too much room for a mSATA card to hold itself in with just his adapter.
Ah. I see. :)
I've seen others glue adapters and smaller hds in with hot glue, but judging by the temps my iBook reaches, it wouldn't last. ;)
 

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I also just ran into this lil' guy.
Looks like it would fit perfectly into my iBook, and it wouldn't fly around, since it has places to screw the SSD down available!
I would just have to figure out a way to secure it down to my iBooks MB, as I don't know whether the little metal bracket in my G4 would hold it down as well as 2.5 inch HDDs.
 

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I also just ran into this lil' guy.
Looks like it would fit perfectly into my iBook, and it wouldn't fly around, since it has places to screw the SSD down available!
I would just have to figure out a way to secure it down to my iBooks MB, as I don't know whether the little metal bracket in my G4 would hold it down as well as 2.5 inch HDDs.
It's tempting to do this with my PowerBook. I really need a new hard drive and the 40GB TravelDeath inside is slow and sucks. I'm stuck between getting a 120/160GB 7200RPM drive or go with some SSD setup and live with 60GB of space. I am making a list of things I need to buy and so far I'm at $10 (for a duckhead to use on the power adapter and for a bag of case screws). So that leaves me at $75 invested into this thing. Trying to keep it under $100 :)
 

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It's tempting to do this with my PowerBook. I really need a new hard drive and the 40GB TravelDeath inside is slow and sucks. I'm stuck between getting a 120/160GB 7200RPM drive or go with some SSD setup and live with 60GB of space. I am making a list of things I need to buy and so far I'm at $10 (for a duckhead to use on the power adapter and for a bag of case screws). So that leaves me at $75 invested into this thing. Trying to keep it under $100 :)
Yeah, I don't want to spend too much money on my iBook, and I'm torn between a bigger faster HDD and a smaller and much faster SSD.
 

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I also just ran into this lil' guy.
Looks like it would fit perfectly into my iBook, and it wouldn't fly around, since it has places to screw the SSD down available!
I would just have to figure out a way to secure it down to my iBooks MB, as I don't know whether the little metal bracket in my G4 would hold it down as well as 2.5 inch HDDs.
That may fit. It may be too wide for an iBook or Powerbook.

It's tempting to do this with my PowerBook. I really need a new hard drive and the 40GB TravelDeath inside is slow and sucks. I'm stuck between getting a 120/160GB 7200RPM drive or go with some SSD setup and live with 60GB of space. I am making a list of things I need to buy and so far I'm at $10 (for a duckhead to use on the power adapter and for a bag of case screws). So that leaves me at $75 invested into this thing. Trying to keep it under $100 :)
I'd say get the SSD. 7200rpm PATA drives are expensive and can only be found used because they weren't made for very long.
 

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I also just ran into this lil' guy.
Looks like it would fit perfectly into my iBook, and it wouldn't fly around, since it has places to screw the SSD down available!
I would just have to figure out a way to secure it down to my iBooks MB, as I don't know whether the little metal bracket in my G4 would hold it down as well as 2.5 inch HDDs.
Does anybody look at the pictures I posted above or the links I provided???

That is the exact same thing I have in my ibook and on the pictures and the links. see post11

Yes, it has screws to keep the SSD in place and that works very well. It keeps the chips away from the underlying chip of the adapter-card.

The one you linked is the same I linked to amazon dot com. There you can have it for 11USD.

These are all the same just sold from different vendors and with prices ranging from 11 USD to 37 USD.
(in fact on Ebay there seem to be 4 different board designs: 1. blue small for microSATA, 2. big green with metal shield around for miniSATA 3. same as 2 but with red PCB and 4. the last that is discussed here, which is half as big as 2+3)
That may fit. It may be too wide for an iBook or Powerbook.
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NO, as I proved above. Look at the picture. It is the same adapter. It has even some space left in width.

PS: above I asked, whether the blue adapter from jrxs previous posts is not incompatible. That I was told on other websites and by two vendors. They say the blue one http://www.ebay.com/itm/IDE-44-Pin-to-1-8-Micro-SATA-Adapter-/291030890621 (from post2) is only for microSATA, which is not compatible with miniSATA / miniPCIe / mSATA. Now, is that right or not!?!

Notice!

The SSD we're talking about has one cut in the golden Pins, same as the green (and red) adapters.
The blue adapter has two cuts in the golden Pins, such as µ-SATA SSDs (= micro, not mini).
 
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NO, as I proved above. Look at the picture. It is the same adapter. It has even some space left in width.

PS: above I asked, whether the blue adapter from jrxs previous posts is not incompatible. That I was told on other websites and by two vendors. They say the blue one http://www.ebay.com/itm/IDE-44-Pin-to-1-8-Micro-SATA-Adapter-/291030890621 (from post2) is only for microSATA, which is not compatible with miniSATA / miniPCIe / mSATA. Now, is that right or not!?!
You only showed that it fits with a smaller mSATA card, not the bigger, more less expensive, higher capacity cards. The bigger cards will not fit in it.
 

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Does anybody look at the pictures I posted above or the links I provided???

That is the exact same thing I have in my ibook and on the pictures and the links. see post11

Yes, it has screws to keep the SSD in place and that works very well. It keeps the chips away from the underlying chip of the adapter-card.

The one you linked is the same I linked to amazon dot com. There you can have it for 11USD.

These are all the same just sold from different vendors and with prices ranging from 11 USD to 37 USD.
(in fact on Ebay there seem to be 4 different board designs: 1. blue small for microSATA, 2. big green with metal shield around for miniSATA 3. same as 2 but with red PCB and 4. the last that is discussed here, which is half as big as 2+3)

NO, as I proved above. Look at the picture. It is the same adapter. It has even some space left in width.

PS: above I asked, whether the blue adapter from jrxs previous posts is not incompatible. That I was told on other websites and by two vendors. They say the blue one http://www.ebay.com/itm/IDE-44-Pin-to-1-8-Micro-SATA-Adapter-/291030890621 (from post2) is only for microSATA, which is not compatible with miniSATA / miniPCIe / mSATA. Now, is that right or not!?!
Intell's right on this one. :)
Also, Amazon's prices on those adapters are waaaaay over-priced. Ebay sells them for $10 cheaper, new.
 

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You only showed that it fits with a smaller mSATA card, not the bigger, more less expensive, higher capacity cards. The bigger cards will not fit in it.
higher capacity. Mine has 256GB.
Price for the card was the typical for mSATA SSD calcualtion: xGB devided by 2 = x EUR. Mine did cost 130,-EUR

Also, you said the blue one was physically compatible with the SSDs, but how can fit an SSD with one cut in a socket with two cuts.

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Intell's right on this one. :)
Also, Amazon's prices on those adapters are waaaaay over-priced. Ebay sells them for $10 cheaper, new.
Amazon 11,56USD same as your card http://www.amazon.com/Convert-Converter-Adapter-Laptop-Notebook/dp/B00DJLZIC2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1394309197&sr=8-2&keywords=mSATA+adapter+IDE
your link 15,-USD http://www.ebay.com/itm/mini-pci-e-Msata-SSD-to-44pin-IDE-adapter-as-1-8-toshiba-HDD-for-IBM-laptop-/320974079845?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item4abb8bc765
OK, with shipping they might be the same.

But how is 15,-USD 10,-USD cheaper than amazon's 11,56USD?
 

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higher capacity. Mine has 256GB.
Price for the card was the typical for mSATA SSD calcualtion: xGB devided by 2 = x EUR. Mine did cost 130,-EUR

Also, you said the blue one was physically compatible with the SSDs, but how can fit an SSD with one cut in a socket with two cuts.

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Amazon 11,56USD same as your card http://www.amazon.com/Convert-Converter-Adapter-Laptop-Notebook/dp/B00DJLZIC2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1394309197&sr=8-2&keywords=mSATA+adapter+IDE
your link 15,-USD http://www.ebay.com/itm/mini-pci-e-Msata-SSD-to-44pin-IDE-adapter-as-1-8-toshiba-HDD-for-IBM-laptop-/320974079845?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item4abb8bc765
OK, with shipping they might be the same.

But how is 15,-USD 10,-USD cheaper than amazon's 11,56USD?
The ones on Amazon that fit in my G4 are $10 more, I wasn't talking about the ones you linked me to.
 

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higher capacity. Mine has 256GB.

Price for the card was the typical for mSATA SSD calcualtion: xGB devided by 2 = x EUR. Mine did cost 130,-EUR

Also, you said the blue one was physically compatible with the SSDs, but how can fit an SSD with one cut in a socket with two cuts.
Physically bigger cards will not fit in there. Most of the bigger capacity cards are physically bigger to reduce costs. The blue one will work with the appropriate card.
 

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The ones on Amazon that fit in my G4 are $10 more, I wasn't talking about the ones you linked me to.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: BUT IT IS THE SAME!!! Look at the picture, the resistors, chips are on the same location. If mine does not fit, then the one you linked to does not fit either!!!

It is 50.59x30x3.8mm = 50.59x30x3.8mm.
Or is 1 = 1 not the same?

But maybe I am overseeing something here. I just wanted to be helping.
 

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I just bought another firewire enclosure since my old one got lost somewhere when I moved. I had many partitions on that with all my OSX install software and backups :(. So I plan to do that again. It's easier and more convient to boot/install from Firewire than from the discs.

So I just installed my stock 80GB from my 15" PB G4. Ran the HDD benchmark again on the FW 80GB HDD to show a comparison with the internal SSD. It's amazing how snappy this drive is installed in this old G4 compared to the stock spinning mechanical drive. It's as quiet as using an iPad.
 

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