10.13.3 Worst update ever!

[Fredn3ck]

Machine: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013), 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3

After the frustration of dealing with several issues I have gone back to 10.12.6

Just a few things that 10.13.3 broke;

Slow as molasses boot-up. Boot was ~ 15 seconds, with 10.13 increased to 45 sec.
Constant random reboots, some times after 10 minutes or 2 or more hours. Logs indicated kernel panic.
Macs fan control removed (not supported).
Safari page loads slow as molasses. Grrr.
Face Time calling via iPhone not working.
The sound for notifications not working.
Keychain access removed from menu bar.
Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies.
Used an additional 30GB of drive space.
Blue tooth issues.
Hot Spot connection Issues.

I changed from Windoze to a Mac in 2013 and 10.13 has been the worst update I've ever experienced! Really Apple? Your QA person should be canned. I use my Mac to make a little money on the side trading and having an unreliable machine is not tolerable.

 

[kecinzer]

I'm on macOS 10.12.6 too because of GeForce lag issues on High Sierra, but 10.13.3 is still beta.

 

[Fishrrman]

10.13.2 was a "public release".
10.13.3 at this point is a very early "beta". That some things may not be right, is to be expected.

Re the slow bootup -- if you disable TRIM using the command line, boots may speed back up. But then, the drive won't be "trimmed" during normal operations.
I -think- you can "manually trim up" the drive by opening Disk Utility and running the "repair disk" feature. But I don't have HS running on my own MBPro so I can't test it to confirm.

As a last resort, you might consider "going back" to Low Sierra (since you have a MacBook Pro that is capable of running it).

 

[nekton1]

Machine: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013), 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3

After the frustration of dealing with several issues I have gone back to 10.12.6

Just a few things that 10.13.3 broke;

Slow as molasses boot-up. Boot was ~ 15 seconds, with 10.13 increased to 45 sec.
Constant random reboots, some times after 10 minutes or 2 or more hours. Logs indicated kernel panic.
Macs fan control removed (not supported).
Safari page loads slow as molasses. Grrr.
Face Time calling via iPhone not working.
The sound for notifications not working.
Keychain access removed from menu bar.
Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies.
Used an additional 30GB of drive space.
Blue tooth issues.
Hot Spot connection Issues.

I changed from Windoze to a Mac in 2013 and 10.13 has been the worst update I've ever experienced! Really Apple? Your QA person should be canned. I use my Mac to make a little money on the side trading and having an unreliable machine is not tolerable.

[doublepost=1513824159][/doublepost]It's an early beta and you shouldn't install it if you cannot take the heat.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^Correct. It's not an update as the title says - It's Beta software. IMO, Beta software should never be run on a machine with only one system disk. With beta stuff, you always need a backup disk that you can restart with in case of problems. I would never run it on my MBA. I used to run it on my cMP, but can't anymore since I'm running an Nvidia GTX 1080 and need web drivers. In fact, in the old days, when I was a lot younger I was a Beta site for a number of software folks. It was fun

Lou

 

[Starfia]

Right – if you rely on your main Mac to make money, you shouldn't be installing beta software on it. And if you do, you should expect it not to be fully reliable.

 

[alia1211]

what do u mean exactly about (Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies. ) because it happened to me too when I watch any videos in youtube or netflix , i upload a photo for my issue , btw my software is ( 10.13.2 ) , explain more about (Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies. ) plz . thanks

 

[Phil in ocala]

Machine: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013), 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3

After the frustration of dealing with several issues I have gone back to 10.12.6

Just a few things that 10.13.3 broke;

Slow as molasses boot-up. Boot was ~ 15 seconds, with 10.13 increased to 45 sec.
Constant random reboots, some times after 10 minutes or 2 or more hours. Logs indicated kernel panic.
Macs fan control removed (not supported).
Safari page loads slow as molasses. Grrr.
Face Time calling via iPhone not working.
The sound for notifications not working.
Keychain access removed from menu bar.
Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies.
Used an additional 30GB of drive space.
Blue tooth issues.
Hot Spot connection Issues.

I changed from Windoze to a Mac in 2013 and 10.13 has been the worst update I've ever experienced! Really Apple? Your QA person should be canned. I use my Mac to make a little money on the side trading and having an unreliable machine is not tolerable.

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100% true....but just think of the nice Emojis.....!

 

[altusan]

what do u mean exactly about (Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies. ) because it happened to me too when I watch any videos in youtube or netflix , i upload a photo for my issue , btw my software is ( 10.13.2 ) , explain more about (Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies. ) plz . thanks

That is what happens to me and I formatted my MacBook and I still have the same problem

 

[xgman]

I'm guessing that 90% of these issues are not even really related to this beta. Sometimes what seems like bugs can be as simple as re-indexing the spotlight or a TM backup in the background etc. HS is getting pretty mature and the idea that there would be show stopper bugs in a .3 maintenance release is possible, but pretty remote. On the other hand the act of just running any upgrade beta or not can sometimes have unintended consequences.

 

[Starship67]

I can’t imagine a beta being buggy. I mean cmon. /S

 

[mmomega]

read you release notes on the developer portal.
It will tell you how to report your issues to the people that can help fix your problems.

One of the first things in the release notes is this

 

[dcmaccam]

I guess I must be quite lucky with my 2011 iMac I have not had any real problems apart from my Magic Mouse2 disconnecting if I move it to soon after my machine wakes up from sleep. I was originally on El Capitan and went straight to High Sierra and did a Migration.

 

[bbfc]

No issues on my MacBook Pro on 10.13.3. Runs just as well as previous releases, and this is on a 6 year old machine.

 

[Fredn3ck]

^^^^Correct. It's not an update as the title says - It's Beta software.

Right – if you rely on your main Mac to make money, you shouldn't be installing beta software on it. And if you do, you should expect it not to be fully reliable.

This is what I saw and went for. Perhaps Apple should rephrase to "Free Beta Upgrade". Thank God for Time machine! This SNAFU, on so many levels reminds me of Widoze.

 

[Starfia]

That seems incredibly strange. It shouldn't be possible to install a beta directly from the Mac App Store – if that's where you clicked that, you should have been served the latest release version (currently 10.13.2).

The only intended ways for consumers to get access to beta versions are to enroll in Apple's Beta Software Program (https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/) or to join their Developer program – both difficult to do unless you mean to.

 

[fisherking]

def needs some explanation. the OP was either running 10.13.2 (the official release), or WAS on the beta program. either way, everything is (mostly) fine here, so, these are not universal issues, and... probably more useful to ask for help than to whine...

 

[F1Mac]

This is what I saw and went for. Perhaps Apple should rephrase to "Free Beta Upgrade". Thank God for Time machine! This SNAFU, on so many levels reminds me of Widoze. View attachment 743794

10.3.3 can't be installed that way. This App Store page is for final releases only.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^Not if you're on the Public Beta Program it isn't. It's for final releases AND last releases of MacOS betas. However, the betas will only show for those who have signed up for the public beta program.

Lou

 

[LarryJoe33]

Machine: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013), 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3

After the frustration of dealing with several issues I have gone back to 10.12.6

Just a few things that 10.13.3 broke;

Slow as molasses boot-up. Boot was ~ 15 seconds, with 10.13 increased to 45 sec.
Constant random reboots, some times after 10 minutes or 2 or more hours. Logs indicated kernel panic.
Macs fan control removed (not supported).
Safari page loads slow as molasses. Grrr.
Face Time calling via iPhone not working.
The sound for notifications not working.
Keychain access removed from menu bar.
Screen flicker or jitter on streaming movies.
Used an additional 30GB of drive space.
Blue tooth issues.
Hot Spot connection Issues.

I changed from Windoze to a Mac in 2013 and 10.13 has been the worst update I've ever experienced! Really Apple? Your QA person should be canned. I use my Mac to make a little money on the side trading and having an unreliable machine is not tolerable.

I am running 10.13.3 and yes it is beta, but for me, nothing I can't live with. The Safari lag has been there for quite some time. It is annoying, but from what I have read, Safari has been lagging intermittently through many OSx releases. I did see my boot time increase with HS, but again, I can live with 45 seconds since my machine only reboots with, well, beta updates. So that means I am not getting random reboots, in fact I converted from Windows about 1.5 years ago and I have NEVER experienced a freeze or a random reboot.

 

[fisherking]

I am running 10.13.3 and yes it is beta, but for me, nothing I can't live with. The Safari lag has been there for quite some time. It is annoying, but from what I have read, Safari has been lagging intermittently through many OSx releases. I did see my boot time increase with HS, but again, I can live with 45 seconds since my machine only reboots with, well, beta updates. So that means I am not getting random reboots, in fact I converted from Windows about 1.5 years ago and I have NEVER experienced a freeze or a random reboot.

huh, am not experiencing any safari lags or slow bootup...

 

[F1Mac]

huh, am not experiencing any safari lags or slow bootup...

No safari lag either here on HS (10.3.2, which I was using until recently), but slow boot times definitely, and also longer app launch time (bouncing icons). After performing some tests 3 weeks ago, it completely messed up my system and I clean installed Sierra instead. I am now happy with 10.12.6 and for sure I'll wait for these issues to be addressed before (re)uprading to High Sierra.

Here's what I found this morning actually:

https://cindori.org/apple-file-system-slow-boot-high-sierra/

"The latest issue with APFS comes in the form of introducing an extra 15 seconds of booting time when Trim is enabled. It is currently believed that the filesystem is performing a routine Trim-related cleanup process during this time, which is causing boot times to increase for users who want their SSD’s to benefit from Trim."

However for some reason not everyone is experiencing this slow boot bug, if that's actually a bug...

 

[LarryJoe33]

huh, am not experiencing any safari lags or slow bootup...

Slower than Sierra. Trim.
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No safari lag either here on HS (10.3.2, which I was using until recently), but slow boot times definitely, and also longer app launch time (bouncing icons). After performing some tests 3 weeks ago, it completely messed up my system and I clean installed Sierra instead. I am now happy with 10.12.6 and for sure I'll wait for these issues to be addressed before (re)uprading to High Sierra.

Here's what I found this morning actually:

https://cindori.org/apple-file-system-slow-boot-high-sierra/

"The latest issue with APFS comes in the form of introducing an extra 15 seconds of booting time when Trim is enabled. It is currently believed that the filesystem is performing a routine Trim-related cleanup process during this time, which is causing boot times to increase for users who want their SSD’s to benefit from Trim."

However for some reason not everyone is experiencing this slow boot bug, if that's actually a bug...

Safari for me, sticks for a few seconds and then launches the URL. Chrome does not. Been like this for quite sometime.

 

[fisherking]

not sure why some have these issues, others don't, but both my macbooks run fine (booting, safari, etc).

 

[rgbastro]

not sure why some have these issues, others don't, but both my macbooks run fine (booting, safari, etc).

Dude, because you got a lucky lottery ticket -- you have the same models that Apple's QA team has. That's it. They just didn't bother to test upgrades on OTHER models.