10.4.3 8F23, 10.4.2 DTK Seeded to Developers

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ThinkSecret has posted that new builds of OS X 10.4 have been released to developers. The PowerPC build of the update is said to include some 500 bug fixes. Final release of 10.4.3 is not expected until September, according to the site.

The Intel-based Developer Transition Kits (DTK) have been seeded their first major OS update since release. The new build weighs in at 2.7GB and is a complete system replacement that brings the DTK boxes up to par with the PowerPC version. According to ThinkSecret, the build addresses not only bug fixes, but piracy concerns as well, rendering earlier Xcode 2.2 Universal Binaries useless after the update.
 

Fiveos22

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Dr. Dastardly said:
Wow! 500 bug fixes! This is the update most have been waiting for perhaps.

But is this going to render all universal binaries useless? That sounds bad, is it bad? I'm confused. :confused:

I second that, what does the breaking of Xcode binaries mean to me?
 

kainjow

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They probably changed the format of the universal binaries, so that when you double click them it may do some more piracy checking, to see if the app is running on the right hardware. (only an idea)

Or it's gotta be something major like that for all Xcode 2.1 universal binaries to not run at all.
 

Maedus

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quackattack said:
:confused: Late September perhaps? I hope we see it sooner than later.
Or September 2006. :eek:

Intra-Apple rivalries: The race between the 10.5.0 Leopards and the 10.4.3 Tigers on who can release their software first. :p

Announcer One: At first it looked like an easy win for the Tigers, but numerous bugs have plagued their team and with the pushing back of their expected release date to September '06 allowed Leopards to make up much of the lost ground. Steve Jobs firing of the entire Tigers team for having Microsoftesque time tables and release dates was also a lucky break for Leopards.

Announcer Two: Even if the Leopards don't win, they will definitely beat the spread which will mean many employees will have to stay home sober after losing their check for the week to gambling.

Announcer One: Right you are, Number Two. And I have to add that converting the secretaries into cheerleaders was a brilliant move on Steve Jobs part. Well, except for having them bring coffee while doing backflips.

Sorry about that. I've been binge reading some of my college texts so my sense of humor is a little warped at the moment. :p
 

tiiim

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If you're not using one of the Intel-based developer boxes, it means absolutely nothing to you.
Agree.

i dont know what everyone is worrying about. The xcode 2.2 thing is for developers only those on intel macs. In theory once this new update hits also current hacked intel macs will come useless on non-apple hardware. The only prob with this is it gives hackers a few months to see what Apple's security is like until the gold version.

10.4.3 this could be the update we are waiting for. I look forward to getting that one.
 

Lollypop

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I think its good that Apple keeps on trying to deter hackers. When the PC hackers do break it Apple learns and by the time the intel machine finally ship the Mac OS will be rather secure and VERY difficult to hack! So go ahead hackers... try and break it again! hehe

500 bug fixes... that could be great! hehe
 

ZildjianKX

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I hope this fixes the iChat insufficient bandwidth error that 10.4.2 was suppose to fix... my iSight it utterly useless currently.
 

Neuro

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I don't know why everyone is so concerned with OSX being hacked onto standard Intel hardware.

Not many 'normal' users would ever dream of downoading a hacked OS and using it as their every day environment. Hackers getting the OS running just gives it useful coverage.

Would most hackers ever buy an OS anyway?
 

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These 500 bugs are probably in newer software, not in software that has been stable through previous O.S. releases. Therefore, using 129 as the number of new features in a major O.S. release (based on previous Apple ads matching the price to the number of features), we can divide 500 bugs by 129 features to compute an average of about 3.9 bugs per feature.
 

uaaerospace

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tiiim said:
The only prob with this is it gives hackers a few months to see what Apple's security is like until the gold version.

10.4.3 this could be the update we are waiting for. I look forward to getting that one.
I've sure if this release is hacked, Apple will (if they haven't already) come up with something new to deter hackers.

I'm with you though, I'm ready for this update. Bug fixes can't be a bad thing. ;)
 

treblah

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Neuro said:
I don't know why everyone is so concerned with OSX being hacked onto standard Intel hardware.

Not many 'normal' users would ever dream of downoading a hacked OS and using it as their every day environment. Hackers getting the OS running just gives it useful coverage.

Would most hackers ever buy an OS anyway?
Well said.

Personally, one of my friends played around with OSx86 and liked it so much he bought a new iBook. I am not saying this is some sort of viral marketing campaign but the 'locks' on 10.4.1 Intel were embarrassing as far as anti-piracy measures go. And having über-geeks playing with your software is always good.
 

SiliconAddict

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Can someone tell me if premier Apple developers are getting preferential treatment? Specifically are they getting builds that others are not?
I was talking to a friend over the weekend and he was telling me that the company he works for gets relatively routine builds of x86 Tiger. That was interesting because it’s the first I’ve heard of such a thing. What was more distressing was that he told me that Tiger for x86 is severely lacking in certain areas, mainly API calls. Off the top of my head things like audio wasn’t working among other things. (It was 11PM on Saturday, beer in hand. I don’t remember the finer details of that evening.) I want to call BS on him but honestly this wouldn’t be the first time Apple has played the whole smoke and mirrors game.
Does anyone have any insight into Tiger x86 and if any of this is true?

Then again he told me that Apple WAS without a doubt designing their mainboards from scratch not using any Intel reference designs. In that case I DID call BS on him. There is NO way in hell Apple is going to leak such info. But he remained adamant that he was told by someone at Apple that it’s a ground up build. Of course someone else could be BSing him. *shrugs*

I’m uberly confused. At this point I'm guessing this is all ugly rumor but he seeded enough doubt that I’m nervous about where Apple really is in their x86 development.
 

digitalbiker

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SiliconAddict said:
What was more distressing was that he told me that Tiger for x86 is severely lacking in certain areas, mainly API calls. Off the top of my head things like audio wasn’t working among other things.
I have heard this repeated enough times from various sources that I also believe this to be the case.

It breaks the developers agreement with Apple if they discuss details of Tiger x86 such as this but I have heard several developers on boards make off-hand comments that the Tiger we see on PPC is quite a bit different from what is ready on x86.

I wouldn't be surprized if much of the demo that we saw Steve give was a special version of MacOs x86 for the demo, that was solely designed to "do good demo" if you know what I mean. :D
 

BillHarrison

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SiliconAddict said:
Can someone tell me if premier Apple developers are getting preferential treatment? Specifically are they getting builds that others are not?
I was talking to a friend over the weekend and he was telling me that the company he works for gets relatively routine builds of x86 Tiger. That was interesting because it’s the first I’ve heard of such a thing. What was more distressing was that he told me that Tiger for x86 is severely lacking in certain areas, mainly API calls. Off the top of my head things like audio wasn’t working among other things. (It was 11PM on Saturday, beer in hand. I don’t remember the finer details of that evening.) I want to call BS on him but honestly this wouldn’t be the first time Apple has played the whole smoke and mirrors game.
Does anyone have any insight into Tiger x86 and if any of this is true?

Then again he told me that Apple WAS without a doubt designing their mainboards from scratch not using any Intel reference designs. In that case I DID call BS on him. There is NO way in hell Apple is going to leak such info. But he remained adamant that he was told by someone at Apple that it’s a ground up build. Of course someone else could be BSing him. *shrugs*

I’m uberly confused. At this point I'm guessing this is all ugly rumor but he seeded enough doubt that I’m nervous about where Apple really is in their x86 development.
Well, I can say without any doubt audio is working.

So, BS on that.
 

tiiim

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BillHarrison said:
Well, I can say without any doubt audio is working.

So, BS on that.
and anyways "normal" people dont need to worry about those "horror" mac os x stories. Trust me you can your hand on that intel mac it will be singing away and will make the PPC look like a pentium 1 (no pun intended ;) )

ok maybe not that bad. But the tech specs for intel macs are fantastic the new technology that intel are introducing (and that everyone in the PC industry is not paying attention too accept apple) are great. Everyone is running after super fast and very hot amd. Wait to Apple shows off intel's hidden technology then the chip battle will get very interesting. More Ghz does not always mean faster chips.... (perfomance by watt anyone?).
 

fatbarstard

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'Tis a worry

Here we have upgrade 3 to the last major release and they are looking at fixing 500 bugs??? That sounds like Apple was more focused on getting 10.4 out the door rather than get it right... a bad situation if that is how Apple is running software development...

Still I'm looking forward to Apple fixing my bug which gives Finder the *****....
 

ZildjianKX

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fatbarstard said:
Here we have upgrade 3 to the last major release and they are looking at fixing 500 bugs??? That sounds like Apple was more focused on getting 10.4 out the door rather than get it right... a bad situation if that is how Apple is running software development...

Still I'm looking forward to Apple fixing my bug which gives Finder the *****....
Speaking of bugs that give Finder the *****, has anyone seen the bug where you can't type in Finder?

Totally weird, it's happened to me twice... I have to either reboot, or type something into Textedit and copy/paste it into Finder.