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10 Gbps home internet
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Not to excuse the rampant greed and utter laziness of American ISPs, but it does help that Switzerland and South Korea are such geographically small countries. American cities and suburbs can have relatively fast Internet options, but rural areas are largely out of luck.
We've had gigabit Fios for a while and I've always been very pleased with it. With all our work from home and remote learning needs, it's held up extremely well. The synchronous upload speeds in particular are a real lifesaver for me.
We've had gigabit Fios for a while and I've always been very pleased with it. With all our work from home and remote learning needs, it's held up extremely well. The synchronous upload speeds in particular are a real lifesaver for me.
That's good for you. In a lot of cases it's not so much the distances but the red tape. In my hometown they will never get FiOS if current trends continue, despite the town residents being fairly well-off compared to some other areas that have it already. The areas that have it are because they could "reach" more people with a lower build cost due to density, being able to meet their numbers. My hometown - they won't let Verizon dig to lay fiber...
Several years ago, Verizon announced they would stop expanding their Fios network. They were supposed to continue deploying their network to municipalities they entered contractual agreements with previously, but did their level best to drag their feet or weasel out of those agreements. However this was several years ago and I have no idea if they've changed their minds — I used to be a loyal DSL Reports reader and contributor, but haven't kept up with the site or industry events for a while.
I do still highly recommend the site for anyone who has more than a casual interest in residential broadband: https://www.dslreports.com. They have forums both for individual providers and for specific geographical areas.
I think several providers are counting on this. While it would mean less opportunity for subscribers, it also means less pressure to build out their network in rural areas because there is wireless broadband available instead.
I suspect that 10GigE home internet that is affordable is quite some way off for most of us, I'd hazard a guess of 5-10 years for more widespread, but limited, availability and probably only in major cities. Some ISPs here I believe do offer a 10GigE service but it's really designed for business users and as such has a "please call" pricing structure , and probably isn't available to 90%+ of customers. At the moment I have 1GigE (down and up) and it's pretty good but the real problem tends to be the services you connect to. Downloading an update from Apple's CDN I'll probably get 700Mbit+ but downloading from Steam or the Xbox Store it's usually more like 300Mbit max. This very heavily depends on not only your connection to the ISP but the ISP's connectivity elsewhere, congestion on the network, proximity to the servers you're downloading from and more. The big problem though is that even 1GigE is not widely available in many countries and so many providers still rely on old technologies to get internet connectivity to homes. Here in the UK you stand a better chance of getting high speed connectivity in a city than a rural area, but even so it's not uncommon for people to find themselves living in a major population centre and be stuck with less than 40Mbit down, 5Mbit up. At lot of ISPs here also skimp on the connectivity inside their own network - I know people with 500Mbit+ connections who struggle to get 50Mbit down at peak times. Usually that comes down to them being cheap, using old equipment that might be sharing a 10Gbit uplink across hundreds of customers.
The distinction has to be made between having 10 Gbs internet connectivity or a 10 Gbps internal network. With the approval of the DOCSIS 4.0 specifications (10 Gbps down/6 Gbps up) the first tests have begun. DOCSIS 3.0 came out in 2013, so 7 years to 10 GbE might be a reasonable guesstimate.
While 10Gbps internet connectivity is either not available or expensive, having an internal 10Gbs network is now quite possible and affordable. When you are transferring terabytes of data between 2 10 Gbps devices (in my case an iMac and a NAS) that makes a huge difference in transfer times. Can makes sense if you have a ton of devices.
There are quite a few consumer 10 Gbs switches. Prices are dropping. I just sold one for $375. Never heard its fan.
The 10 Gbps switches are indeed becoming cheaper, waiting for the USD 269 Ubiquiti switch to be available here in Europe.
Who knew that "WC" could stand for both Water Closet and Wiring Closet?
I initialy went the WC way. I would not say everything was in a rack but... we down sized and all that didnt meet my new needs. It got scraped and now I have just (3) ITX boxes. Each using like 18w standay and no fans.
10Gb would be useful for:
running encrypted cloud backups on that NAS box
a nice high resolution entertainment center
I am looking to invest in a large screen wall mount entertainment thing. Finding a fanless micro ITX box with hdmi 2.1 (8K x 120hz) iis impossible. 4K x 60hz is difficult.
10Gb would be useful for:
running encrypted cloud backups on that NAS box
a nice high resolution entertainment center
I am looking to invest in a large screen wall mount entertainment thing. Finding a fanless micro ITX box with hdmi 2.1 (8K x 120hz) iis impossible. 4K x 60hz is difficult.
not a lot of time this am but I was looking for a small fanless micro ITX chassis PC with that hdmi 2.1 port
Amlogic 905... ill look into this
The problem with 10 Gb to the home is that most current telecom switches don't have enough capacity for that. Right now they are most likely using 10 Gb ports to serve multiple subscribers. A 10 Gb customer subscription would have to get an entire port to themselves. It's expensive because that one subscriber has to equal their shared revenue they get off a 10 Gb port to be worth doing that.
Maybe when the big carrier switches are using 40 Gb ports to serve subscribers it would be more feasable to hand out 10 Gb connections. But current switches and line cards are just way too expensive for that at the moment.
Maybe when the big carrier switches are using 40 Gb ports to serve subscribers it would be more feasable to hand out 10 Gb connections. But current switches and line cards are just way too expensive for that at the moment.
Rural customers will always have fewer quality options.
However, USA's population density is very similar to many other countries that have far better residential broadband Internet and far better cellular network performance.
If memory serves me correctly, the Scandinavian countries also have very similar population density in their urban areas to the USA.
Early on, the USA had better residential broadband penetration as well as landline telephony. Much of the rest of the world has caught up and surpassed the USA whose communications technology -- while not stagnant -- rarely sets the pace.
Southeast Asia will be the first region to get terrestrial 4K video broadcasts. Hell, even the 1080 broadcasts in Japan look far better than USA's mediocre ATSC standard.
Depends on the country. I'm in a rural area (I have a corn field just accross my street), yet I'm on FTTH fiber. The main problem with the USA, and I don't want to turn this into a political debate, is that it stricly depends on the private sector to build the network infrastructure, which they won't do since there's no profit for them to do so. Here, the government subsidize the infra build up in rural area since it now consider high speed internet access a necessity like electricity and clean water.
I don't see how it's comparable at all to be honest. Norway, Sweden, and Finland combined have a population less than that of just NYC and NJ put together. Los Angeles County alone has nearly double the population of both Norway and Finland, and about the same as Sweden.
To make 10 Gb/s internet available to the majority of Americans would be a monumentally hard undertaking, and far more difficult than doing so in Scandinavia. Infrastructure problems don't scale linearly; the enormous population of the US and the vast distances involved make it a significantly greater technical challenge, while the equipment available to solve it remains the same.