10 Gbps home internet

[HDFan]

Oh, I agree… but at same time no one wants to have a desktop NAS solution turn your home office into a room that sounds like a server room, either…

Don't know which NAS units you are referring to. Mine are silent other than the disk sounds you would get from any external HD. SSD's aren't practical for most people in NAS units when you have 10's of TB of data.

I thought US has unmetered plans for cheap prices ,

Unfortunately the opposite is the case, both in prices and in data limits.

 

[Juicy Box]

I thought US has unmetered plans for cheap prices

It depends on where one lives in the US.

Some homes have access to multiple ISPs, usually meaning that there is no data cap and very competitive pricing.

Some homes have access to only one ISP, and if it is cable, it could mean that there is a data cap, and pricing could be higher than the places that have multiple ISPs.

I personally think data caps on home internet service should be illegal.

 

[MacBH928]

It depends on where one lives in the US.

Some homes have access to multiple ISPs, usually meaning that there is no data cap and very competitive pricing.

Some homes have access to only one ISP, and if it is cable, it could mean that there is a data cap, and pricing could be higher than the places that have multiple ISPs.

I personally think data caps on home internet service should be illegal.

I heard that data caps is a lie by ISPs used to charge more money. The networks can handle infinite bandwidth no issues. Not sure much true this is but when I think of Netflix, Spotify, Steam, that give you infinite downloads for a basic price of $10 or $20 this makes me believe this is true.

 

[max2]

Shocked this topic did so well.

Glad even 50 Gbps download and 50 Gbps upload Fiber is a standard tier now in some areas! Not sure the exact period in year it happen.

 

[Howard2k]

I heard that data caps is a lie by ISPs used to charge more money. The networks can handle infinite bandwidth no issues. Not sure much true this is but when I think of Netflix, Spotify, Steam, that give you infinite downloads for a basic price of $10 or $20 this makes me believe this is true.

No, there are no networks that have infinite capacity.

ISPs can charge for data caps, it's up to the buyer whether they choose to purchase. Just like on a cellphone plan, you should make sure you scope the product accordingly.

 

[IvyKing]

ISPs typically have to pay for the bandwidth of their internet connection, as such the bandwidth will not be enough for every user using max bandwidth simultaneously.

 

[MacBH928]

No, there are no networks that have infinite capacity.

ISPs can charge for data caps, it's up to the buyer whether they choose to purchase. Just like on a cellphone plan, you should make sure you scope the product accordingly.

how do you explain that for $15 Netflix will let you stream 4K 24/7 for a month and that is enough to make profit after paying for bandwidth, employees, infrastructure , content license, their own production, and the their multi platform apps?

if i calculated correct at 25mbps that would amount to crazy 8000GB per month (8TB)

 

[Howard2k]

how do you explain that for $15 Netflix will let you stream 4K 24/7 for a month and that is enough to make profit after paying for bandwidth, employees, infrastructure , content license, their own production, and the their multi platform apps?

if i calculated correct at 25mbps that would amount to crazy 8000GB per month (8TB)

The Internet is a mass of millions of privately operated connected networks. But at the core, there are the large providers and large consumers (of bandwidth). Netflix would have large connections to several of the largest Internet providers and those connections would each have their own commercial agreements. It might be that Netflix pays for access, or that the cost are shared, or that the third party is paying Netflix. These agreements would be negotiated on a per-ISP basis. Then the traffic flows from those larger ISPs to the smaller ISPs through similar peering/transport arrangements. As the relationships between the organizations become more asymmetrical, the financial pictures changes too. And eventually you have a smaller ISP paying to get peering/transport from a larger ISP and that pipe happens to carry Netflix traffic, when requested and routed.

Netflix is massive, it's one of the largest sources of traffic on the Internet. Netflix has many, many large connections between itself and the ISPs.

Further, Netflix uses a Content Delivery Network to ensure that content is "close" to users. If you watch Pulp Fiction tonight then when your neighbour (same ISP) watches it in the morning it's already cached relatively locally, it's not going to come back from Netflix source servers.

So Netflix and the ISPs actively work to minimize the traffic consumed.

Lastly, all data links have finite bandwidth. There's always costs for equipment and always costs for operations. Economically and mathematically there is not infinite capacity. These links can be astonishingly large, but not at all infinite. They're limited by physics and technology.

 

[max2]

ISPs typically have to pay for the bandwidth of their internet connection, as such the bandwidth will not be enough for every user using max bandwidth simultaneously.

Is that kinda why cellular data sometimes sucks ?

 

[Howard2k]

Is that kinda why cellular data sometimes sucks ?

Could be a million reasons.

 

[IvyKing]

Is that kinda why cellular data sometimes sucks ?

That's likely a large reason why cellular data sometimes suck - radio spectrum is not free, so the cellular providers will design for average as opposed to maximum demand to keep costs under control. Cellular providers can make more use of limited bandwidth by increasing the number of cell towers, but that also costs money.

 

[max2]

Wish there was a way to easily and with manageable cost to increase cellular data speed to still work as well or close when it has maximum demand.

 

[IvyKing]

If wishes were horses...

The design for average load or the high end of average load has been a mainstay of utility operations for well more than a century. Data traffic lends itself even better than voice calls as it is easier to limit the bit flow from data than from voice. My fiber optic line is supposed to be carried all the way to the fiber equivalent of a central office, so the point of contention is a bit further upstream than with a cell tower.

 

[olavsu1]

When do you think 10 Gbps home internet will become more available/standard ?

Never here. If, then only for high nobility it will be built in the near future.

 

[Juicy Box]

Never here.

Where is your "here"?

 

[olavsu1]

Where is your "here"?

Somewhere within a radius of about 1 km around this point: 59°29'50.09"N 24°51'3.51"E

 

[IvyKing]

Never here. If, then only for high nobility it will be built in the near future.

I first read nobility as mobility...

10G is not yet common in the US, though there are a surprising number of markets where it is available. I now have 2+G internet access, with the max speed limited by the 2.5G Ethernet port on the PON. 10G service may be possible here, but would require changing the PON. My service was 1G when installed July 2022, but bumped up to 2G a year ago.

 

[olavsu1]

2Gbps upload/download is a wet dream for people like me. We have to be happy that 200Mbps and lower internet connection speeds are available. A few select people have 1Gbps at home.

 

[IvyKing]

The 1G/2G service is provided by Ting in my area - upload and download speeds are nearly symmetric. This service only became available in 2022. Other options are Spectrum with 500M down, 10 or 20M up. On the other hand, there parts of rural US where the best service is from Starlink - my brother tried it for a month or so, but connectivity suffered from being a valley with numerous trees around that attenuate the signals.

I've reports of people living near UCSD having 10 to 20G fiber connectivity.

 

[Fishrrman]

I suppose this is an impertinent or ignorant question, but...

Just what does one DO with 10gbps internet, that one cannot do with, say 2.5gbps or even 1gb internet?

 

[MacCheetah3]

I suppose this is an impertinent or ignorant question, but...

Just what does one DO with 10gbps internet, that one cannot do with, say 2.5gbps or even 1gb internet?

In my opinion, 100Mbps (download) internet connection for no more than $50 USD should be minimal, even in rural areas.

I finally have gigabit, but Spectrum’s network still has a lot of a mix of fiber and coax, so it isn’t symmetrical speeds. I think, gigabit (preferably symmetrical) would be a good standard. I guess, basically, some version of (true) FTTP/FTTX.

Unfortunately, lobbying for the next “make a quick buck” scheme appears far more important than infrastructure.

 

[Howard2k]

I suppose this is an impertinent or ignorant question, but...

Just what does one DO with 10gbps internet, that one cannot do with, say 2.5gbps or even 1gb internet?

Generally, you don't. For surfing the net or streaming TV then as long as you have "enough" bandwidth, you're good. For 2-3 people that's usually 50Mb/s to 100Mb/s, or without streaming and just surfing then even 10Mb/s is plenty.

But for software updates, application downloads etc., the more you have the better.

I do some online gaming and that doesn't require much bandwidth at all, but downloading game updates on a 90Mb/s connection can take some time. Especially if I have downloads running on multiple devices.

I enable QoS on my network which helps give a good experience for all devices the majority of the time.

 

[IvyKing]

I suppose this is an impertinent or ignorant question, but...

Just what does one DO with 10gbps internet, that one cannot do with, say 2.5gbps or even 1gb internet?

IMO, your question is neither impertinent nor ignorant.

What comes to mind would be a high definition 3-D virtual reality experience or some sort of simulation (e.g. Ansys, Comsol, etc) where the local host needs to transfer a lot of data with a remote server farm.

10G internet connectivity doesn't even make sense unless one has at least 10G of bandwidth on the internal network and I've run across maybe a couple of people who might have 10G Ethernet at home. Having written that, a neighbor said he recently string Cat6 cable in his house to allow for a future upgrade to 10G intranet.

With respect to my 2.5gbps internet service, the only time I notice a difference from the previous 1gbps is the MacOS software update - maybe saving 20 seconds in download times. The main in the network upgrade was finding out that the wireless access points had 100mbps Ethernet and replacing them with access points with 1gbps Ethernet.

 

[erihp]

10G internet connectivity doesn't even make sense unless one has at least 10G of bandwidth on the internal network.

Could make sense if there are multiple clients vying for gigabit speeds.

In that case you would require 10gbit fabic/switching capacity at the core switch, but not necessarily 10gbit throughout the entire network to benefit.