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I know in a lot of areas the competition is leaps and bounds ahead of Apple however one thing they've introduced in the last 10 years is the one thing I can't imagine my life without: Apple Pay.

Granted it's still somewhat limited in the UK (up to £30 in a lot of places) however knowing I can make my transactions more secure is very much welcome.
 
Not really. Market saturation is real. "Upgrade saturation" is your creation.
I'll remind you what you wrote:
The decline is due to... i.e. market saturation, with little need to upgrade year to year, as has been common in the past.

i.e. that is market saturation, with little need to upgrade
you put the two together
 
I'll remind you what you wrote:

i.e. that is market saturation, with little need to upgrade
you put the two together

No, I was showing what you called "upgrade saturation," a term you introduced, is really what the industry calls market saturation. Which was the point I originally made when you tried to suggest removing the iPhone headphone jack was responsible for a decline in iPhone sales. Ignoring the fact that the iPhone 7 without the headphone jack was recently introduced and the decline in iPhone sales has been ongoing.
 
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No, I was showing what you called "upgrade saturation," a term you introduced, is really what the industry calls market saturation. Which was the point I originally made when you tried to suggest removing the iPhone headphone jack was responsible for a decline in iPhone sales. Ignoring the fact that the iPhone 7 without the headphone jack was recently introduced and the decline in iPhone sales has been ongoing.
Well I was responding to your earlier comment where you wrote:

And it could just as easily correlate to market saturation - something affecting all manufacturers.

I've had my 6+ for two years. I'm not feeling compelled to upgrade right now. It does everything I need, is reliable, lasts a long time on a battery charge, is relatively secure, receives frequent software updates, has a great screen, and the camera is excellent (I'm a photographer). The phone is that good.

Please, tell me why I should spend $$$ for an iPhone 7+.

You mentioned market saturation then directly talked about upgrading. Thats what made me think you were conflating the two...
 
Well I was responding to your earlier comment where you wrote:



You mentioned market saturation then directly talked about upgrading. Thats what made me think you were conflating the two...

You're still missing the point. I talked about NOT upgrading.
 
You're still missing the point. I talked about NOT upgrading.
Exactly you talked about declining sales because of saturation and talked about NOT upgrading both relating to declining sales and hence why I thought you conflated the two.

Anyway, I've stated you mentioned both (NOT) upgrading and saturation in the same post. We are going round in circles so giving up replying...
 
It's not though - it was announced 10 years ago today, release date was months later.
I may be way off, but I can't help but feel they've been working on the 2017 iPhone for longer than usual.

The 7 was a bit of an autopilot release IMO, more to get a new phone out than to release a new phone, while the big boys were working on the 8.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the 8 was actually released in June 2017, 10 years after the original.
 
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Looking at these 10, 20, 30, 40 year anniversaries of anything just makes me feel old and makes realize how time flies. I still can't believe Star Wars turns 40. Life is short too. I was watching some of the keynote earlier and Steve still looked healthy. Then in 2008, he wasn't. Just four years and 9 months after the first iPhone announcement, he would pass away. So he was only alive for the first four years of the iPhone and has been dead much longer.


Apple peaked in 2015 and started to decline in 2016 the way Sony did after 2006. Let's be real, Apple will never really recapture its magic from before. It is similar to Sony, Panasonic, IBM, Nintendo, Nokia, and Motorola will never really recapture their glory days no matter how much their loyalist wish they could. Nintendo lost two presidents in a span of two years (Hiroshi Yamauchi & Satoru Iwata). They shined under the spotlight for a time and then the curtains closed on them. Every empire crumbles. Nobody stays on top forever. Apple won't go away anytime soon. They will still be around like Sony still is or even Polaroid and Kodak still making products. But lower your expectations because Apple will never be exciting and innovative like they used to be.

http://business.time.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-the-businessman-can-apple-thrive-without-him/

Steve Jobs the businessman: Can Apple thrive without him?
By Michael Schuman Oct. 06, 2011

As Apple fans mourn the unfortunate loss of Steve Jobs, the great innovator will be remembered most of all for how his ideas changed people’s lives. But in the world of business, he will also be honored as an absolutely brilliant CEO. Jobs possessed the rare ability to link emerging technologies with consumer habits and tastes in a way that built a powerful corporation and an internationally beloved brand. There aren’t that many people in modern corporate history who can claim that skill. In fact, Jobs was probably unrivaled in the world today in matching great ideas with savvy marketing and pristine execution. And that’s why there is reason for uncertainty about Apple’s future.

The question is: Can Apple keep the Steve Jobs spirit without Steve Jobs?

There is a long history, of course, of entrepreneurial companies not only surviving their charismatic founders, but thriving after they passed on. Ford did just fine after the death of Henry; Disney is still a force in entertainment long after Walt. Apple will remain a major player in the world of computing and electronics without Steve. The firm is simply too established, too much a part of a consumer’s life, to just wither away, even with the exit of a towering figure like Jobs.

But the question remains if Apple can continue to be an industry leader as it has routinely been under Jobs. Can Apple keep its edge? Apple’s success has always been based on being first, by solving problems others thought unsolvable, and introducing products that changed how people worked, played and communicated. It is not easy for any company to continue to produce innovative hit after innovative hit, even with its visionary leader still in the corner office. It will be even harder for Apple with Jobs gone. That isn’t to say that current CEO Tim Cook can’t get the job done. But Jobs is just a very hard act to follow.

The future facing Apple makes me think of another electronics giant, Japan’s Sony. Sony was Apple before Apple, the great global innovator that produced products that changed people’s lives, again and again. Sony, remember, championed the idea of personalized electronics – not the giant radio in the living room, but the miniature transistor radio, or the portable TV set. Sony invented the Walkman, altering forever how people listened to music, in the same way the iPod has in more recent times. Sony, like Apple, was a company that thrived on new ideas, new technologies, and an engaging brand.

And just like Apple, Sony was propelled forward by personality – well, two personalities, in fact – co-founders Akio Morita and Masaru Ibuka. The two of them were behind everything Sony did, much like Jobs at Apple. They were unique visionaries, with a unique talent of bringing technology to the masses. And in the process, much like Jobs, they built an international company with an unrivaled brand.


Sony is still one of the industry’s titans today, long after Morita and Ibuka have left the scene. The Japanese firm continues to make high-quality consumer electronics under one of the most trusted brands in the world. But no one would say Sony is the influential innovator it used to be. Apple took its place as the game changer of the electronics world. Up-and-coming companies like Samsung have eaten away at its global presence in key businesses, like televisions. Sure, the company has been managed by some talented people, but Morita and Ibuka were just too hard to replace. Sony has never been quite the same without them.

Will Apple suffer the same fate? It is impossible to tell. Yet Sony offers a cautionary tale. I was in Tokyo conducting some research on Sony a few years ago and had the pleasure of interviewing Yotaro Kobayashi, a long-time friend of Akio Morita. He believed that Sony struggled because its modern-day managers kept trying to recapture the old Morita-Ibuka spirit to guide the company to its future. But, Kobayashi believed, that was not possible. There was only one Morita and one Ibuka.

Just like there is only one Steve Jobs.

Kobayashi’s point was that Sony had to grow beyond its dynamic founders and find a new future in order to maintain its greatness. Sony had to stop looking backwards to an age it couldn’t recreate and instead look forwards. That may be sound advice for Apple today.
 
No, but as everyone else points out sales were declining prior to the removal of the headphone jack.
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Is there a certified product to allow me to charge and use 3.5mm jack? (And not the solution where I have to use that manufacturers case)

I'm pretty sure Belkin make one.
 
After watching that keynote today I was amazed at the leap in technology. I remember them announcing the Apple Bluetooth Headset and now we have the perfect blend of Apple headphones and Bluetooth headset with AirPods.
[doublepost=1484037563][/doublepost]Apple was the only one to bring full internet browser to a phone . I had a Helio Hero when the iPhone was announced and thought I was doing it big with integrated MySpace and 3G. I knew I wanted the iPhone when I heard about it. Got one(iPhone 4) on April 1, 2011 and will never buy any other brand of phone again. It may not be perfect but the iPhone is the best to me. The best personal computer in my pocket
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And that too. The only significant update to the camera was on the 7+ but it's way too big for me to be able to use as my daily driver. So I didn't really have much choice there. I hope Apple stops doing that.
I updated from a 6 Plus to 6s Plus for 3D Touch and that's it. I buy my iPhones on Swappa used but excellent condition. I'll buy the model prior to the newest because the newest models always have bugs and availability constraints.
 
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I think is the 1st time sine SJ passing that Apple put a photo of him in his website. I think that is more important than everything Tim Cook is promising.

I wish I could easily backup my app data instead go having an iWatch.
 
As far as TC is concerned, best is always coming. It's just that it's kinda hard to believe him, since it never comes. And when he introduces 'the best', he leaves a lot of people disappointed (iPhone 7, new MBP, etc.). :)
He should lay off the value judgements and let the products speak for themselves. In fact every CEO should. I mean, what else are they going to say? "Here's the latest MacGuffin...it's not really any better than last year's but we'd really like you to buy it! Oh, and next year's MacGuffin S will be the best!"

Show us why it's the greatest instead of telling us that it is.
 
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Love my phone, but after a 3 GS a 4S a 5S and 6S i really would like a phone that would last longer than the 2 years. My 6s is getting slower with every update. I would fancy a very quick slim phone that has a battery life of a couple of days, a screen of 4,5-5 inch and not to much rubbish on it what i don't use. And very limited software updates.
 

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It's true. Every generation thinks the next one is going to hell in a handbasket.

The difference is, this time it's actually true :p



Ironically, Jobs did not let his own kids use the iPad when it first came out. He also forbade the use of any technology at the dinner table.

He was like a drug dealer who pushed to everyone else, but protected his own children from the very products he sold.

There's a lesson somewhere in there for other parents.
Captain Fantastic & Alaskan Bush People. True luddites :)

It's lazy parenting more than anything. Before smartphones it was iPods, GameBoys, VHS & TV. Although, it was easier to tell kids to go out an play in fresh air back when only TV was the main indoor distraction.

5 years from now, iPhones and its ilk will be history. We'll all have some cool looking shades with AR / VR built-in display and brain pattern controls. Happy 10th iPhone anniversary, there won't be a 20th.
 
5 years from now, iPhones and its ilk will be history. We'll all have some cool looking shades with AR / VR built-in display and brain pattern controls. Happy 10th iPhone anniversary, there won't be a 20th.

OMG, you're probably right. Within the decade, people peering down at smartphones could be replaced with people focusing on images projected in front of them (via glasses or whatever) while they walk.

Question is, will that be safer? Will people notice the taxi cab bearing down on them behind the projection of today's calendar?

And what about drivers wearing AR gear? Oh boy.
 
OMG, you're probably right. Within the decade, people peering down at smartphones could be replaced with people focusing on images projected in front of them (via glasses or whatever) while they walk.

Question is, will that be safer? Will people notice the taxi cab bearing down on them behind the projection of today's calendar?

And what about drivers wearing AR gear? Oh boy.
well, if that FaceTime-call fatal car accident lawsuit against Apple gets any traction, all such functions will get disabled at speeds above 20mph. Also, in 10 years, governments will mandate self-driving vehicles and the only place you can drive "manually" will be a race track with $100K membership.
 



Today marks the tenth anniversary of the day Steve Jobs introduced the original iPhone at Macworld in San Francisco. In what has become one of the most iconic moments in Apple's storied history, Jobs teased the device as if it were three separate products: a widescreen iPod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a breakthrough internet communications device.

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Apple began selling the iPhone six months later, and nearly a decade later, the company has now sold well over 1 billion of them to customers around the world. iPhone sales continued to rise on an annual basis until 2016, when the smartphone experienced its first-ever year-over-year sales decline amid a down year for Apple. Nevertheless, the iPhone remains Apple's most successful product ever, accounting for 60% of the company's overall revenue last quarter.

"iPhone is an essential part of our customers' lives, and today more than ever it is redefining the way we communicate, entertain, work and live," said Tim Cook, Apple's CEO. "iPhone set the standard for mobile computing in its first decade and we are just getting started. The best is yet to come."


Apple upended the mobile phone industry that was then dominated by earlier entrants such as Nokia and BlackBerry, two companies that are effectively out of the market today. Jobs poked fun at "smartphones" of the era, quipping they were "not so smart" and "not so easy to use," while criticizing outdated hardware features such as physical keyboards and styli. In turn, he introduced revolutionary new features such as Multi-Touch and scrolling to big rounds of applause.

Since then, Apple has improved the iPhone each year by adding several new features:

o 2008: App Store and 3G network support
o 2009: Video recording and Personal Hotspot
o 2010: Retina display
o 2011: Siri and iCloud
o 2012: Taller 4-inch screen, Lightning connector, and LTE
o 2013: Touch ID
o 2014: Larger 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch screens
o 2015: 3D Touch, Live Photos, and 4K video recording
o 2016: Waterproofing and dual-lens camera on iPhone 7 Plus

"It is amazing that from the very first iPhone through to today's newest iPhone 7 Plus, it has remained the gold standard by which all other smartphones are judged. For many of us, iPhone has become the most essential device in our lives and we love it," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of marketing.

2017 is expected to be a big year for the iPhone, with rumors suggesting at least one new model will feature glass casing with a curved OLED display. The device may sport a nearly bezel-less edge-to-edge design with no physical Home button, but rather Touch ID embedded directly into the display as both patented by Apple and technologically possible. Other rumored features include wireless charging, facial or iris recognition, and a vertical dual-lens camera capable of 3D photography effects.

Article Link: 10 Years Ago Today: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone


I miss him so much.
 
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RIP Steve. The person that changed the world.

Well, not to be a party pooper, but I think that honour would have to go to Jesus first. Or at least Leonardo. Or, I don't know - Caesar. Gandhi. Rosa Parks maybe?

How about "R.I.P. Steve, successful executive with an abnormally keen eye for detail and loving husband and father"?
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in 10 years, governments will mandate self-driving vehicles

Make that 30.
Or be prepared to face revolt from those who have a 15 year old car.
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Ironically, Jobs did not let his own kids use the iPad when it first came out. He also forbade the use of any technology at the dinner table.

He was like a drug dealer who pushed to everyone else, but protected his own children from the very products he sold.

There's a lesson somewhere in there for other parents.

I suppose the lesson is "iPads are not toys"? :p
 
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