Make of this what you will, hope it'll help some of you come to a decision. [/B]
Thanks for this extended test. The i7 performs as suspected and quite similar to the 2012 i5 vs. i7.
Have you had a chance testing idle performance of both?
Make of this what you will, hope it'll help some of you come to a decision. [/B]
Which one do you expect you'll end up keeping?
Thanks for this extended test. The i7 performs as suspected and quite similar to the 2012 i5 vs. i7.
Have you had a chance testing idle performance of both?
>leslie11 ...
>Playing 3 movies, 1 on VLC, 2 on QT
>Handbrake encoding the same movie
Kudos for your careful test, but IMO your battery life and average temperature results are really distorted by including an unfinished task-oriented job like encoding a movie. A more realistic test would be to wait until the i5 finished encoding the movie (during the last period of which Handbrake would be inactive on the i7), then compare battery percentages. Also the temperatures should be averaged over the full time period of the test (including the final inactive Handbrake time on the i7). Otherwise you are comparing different amounts of total work on the two devices. Or simply omit Handbrake encoding from this particular battery test.
>Starting at the same time, the Handbrake encode initially
>showed a 10% difference in progress (i.e I5 at 5%, I7 at 15%).
>But when the I5 was at 50% done, the I7 showed 55%,
>ie the gap got smaller.
That surprises me, because the i7 should be about 30% faster than the i5 for CPU-bound tasks. My guess is that the 3 movies playing in the background drove up the temperature, so the i7 couldn't rev up to full Handbrake capacity without exceeding the 15W TDP cap. I'd be curious to see Handbrake performance compared between the i5 and i7 with the rest of the system mostly idle.
Thanks again for reporting your test... all these data points are interesting.
Possibly always a chance there is a problem with my wife's i5.
How about a handful of you guys with i5's stream a 90 min movie (pick The Lorax (HD), if we want to keep everything the same), try to use the same settings as I did (stated in the original post).
I'd even be happy to post your results in the 1st thread.
I don't care which unit is better, I own both, I am not trying to "prove" anything, no agenda, if something is wrong with my wife's i5 I would appreciate very much the info myself so I can exchange it.
I do disagree there is no possible for the i7 to outlast the i5, the CPU% for the Safari and SilverLight processes were noticeably higher on the i5.
The i5 was working harder, going into "turbo boost" than the i7 (my theory) which therefore generated more heat and more battery drain. The i7 pulls more wattage at idle and and max cpu (at or near 100%), but in between 15-80% usage, I am having my doubts based on what I've seen so far.
If both the i5 and i7 both ran at a base clock of 1.3ghz then yes you'd be right. But both CPUs idle at the same clock speed but under use, the i5 has a base of 1.3ghz and the i7 is a base of 1.7ghz... When they are running their base speeds, the i7 draws more power, period. You think the i7 pulls more at idle? I doubt it, they should both run the same idle MHZ and pull the same amount of power. Its when the cpus run their base clocks when the power changes since they are different.
It may be true that the 1.3ghz base close (not talking about the CPU's ability to downclock for power) is not high enough for Silverlight to run at 100% normalization and the i7 could very well be more efficient in certain tests when comparing power draw but I doubt Silverlight requires either of these CPUs to run into turboboost speed to keep up.
I'm not defending my i5 in anyway, i'd rather have the i7 because for CPU intensive games it seems to fair much better as pointed out in your LoL test..
Ya, I am not sure what is going on for sure, it was just a hypothesis.
I have now ran 2 tests that have required medium CPU power, and in those tests the i7 both times has ran cooler.
Now it is totally possible there is something wrong with my wife's i5, maybe it has 3 inches of thermal paste on the CPU. I don't know for sure.
But also for the people saying their i7's run hot, I would have to assume the same for them.
My i7 under low & medium CPU tasks does not get hot, nor have I had the fans kick in.
I don't think I have proven that the i5 is inferior (though my i5 may be inferior).
But that people claiming the i7 gets burning hot (under low/medium usage), is completely not always the case.
In a way I wish my i7 was this hot useable beast, I send it back get the i5 version and have an extra $150 in my pocket. My i7 stays cool to the touch when I am just doing normal usage. And even if i was to do some gaming LoL, it really would not be uncomfortable to have on my lap.
Honestly at this point I am keeping my i7, however , I do want to determine if I need to return my wife's i5 (for another i5).
New in forum and waiting for my Air, hope having it tomorrow...
First of all, great tests, thank you!
As a suggestion, if I remember correctly, Coconut Battery tells the wattage used by the battery in real time, maybe could help to confirm the difference in consumption in idle, mid-CPU and full CPU usage.
The link:
http://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/
Just a minor update, I've just been doing light word processing for 2hrs, split equally between both machines.
There's really nothing in it, both performed the same and got slightly hot after a while. I was using my palms as a thermometer so don't put too much thought into this.
That seems like a cool application. According to it, right now my computer draws around 3.5 - 4.5 watts from the battery. Thats truly impressive considering that I have my intelliJ, browser windows, spottily etc running.
No wonder this thing doesnt get hot. Machine is 13/i5/8/256
iThink that the i7 has more transistors and can do therefore more in less time.
Many.Is this really practical? How many people have 36 tabs or 20 word docs open simultaneously?
Wow, I have devices that consumes more on stand-by!
Is the screen on or do you have an external monitor?
Either i'm blind or i do not see the number of transistors.@Mr. Retrofire, the i7 doesnt have more transistors.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/75114,75028
Either i'm blind or i do not see the number of transistors.
How is the battery life comparing?
My experience has been similar. Keeping the i5/8/512. Main reason - better battery life.
Still wish anandtech would do a formal i5 / i7 comparison, maybe it's coming?
- Coconut batt consistently showed the draw for the I7 at 22.5w and the I5 at 14.5w
That seems fishy to me. Both cpu are designed to draw a max of 15 W (excluding the gpu).
My experience has been similar. Keeping the i5/8/512. Main reason - better battery life.
Still wish anandtech would do a formal i5 / i7 comparison, maybe it's coming?
When you said, "For me, it seems that i7 uses the full 15Watt, but i5 don't,at least for the most part of the time"For me, it seems that i7 uses the full 15Watt, but i5 don't, at least for the most part of the time.