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An "excellent gaming experience" is not looking down on an 11" display!

I'd prefer the 13" myself, but 11" could do.

Our generation (I'm assuming you're about my age) used to play the hell out of our Gameboys. It had a little 2.5" green and black screen that had to be played under direct light to even see what was on it. Yet despite the shortcomings, we all LOVED that thing. I think I played it more than my NES back when.

An 11" screen? Hell, you're spoiling us, modern technology.
 
What are the limitations that prevents this from running on OS X? what needs to be done to have this running from OS X? This is a breakthrough for OpenCL and portable/convenience computing
 
lol...old news

i have done this for 8 months now , have gotten way more than just graphics working too.

custom enclosure too.

will post some pics
 
How do you get an external video card to work on a built-in laptop display?

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That's exactly what I was wondering too... There must be a way, which is great. That card certainly doesn't support thunderbolt out so he must be doing something else. I assume he explains this in the forum post but it looks like the forum couldn't handle the sudden increase in visitors :)
 
I've added a post after kloper's writeup covering some of the important points raised so far:

A tidier solution: use a PE4H 3.2 instead of PE4L 2.1

Achieved with a US$170 BPlus PE4H 3.2 enclosure (below left) instead of a US$70 BPlus PE4L 2.1 adapter used in kloper's article:

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2011-2013 Thunderbolt is 10Gbps

I'm seeing comments at macrumors about Thunderbolt's bandwidth limitations. The electrical link to the pci-e device is x4 2.0 (16Gbps) but Thunderbolt is restricted downstream to 10Gbps, 12.5% slightly faster than x2 2.0 as discussed. Need to wait for 'Thunderbolt 2' with 2014 ETA to see them uprate that to 20Gbps. 'Thunderbolt 2' will be slightly faster than x4 2.0 performance, giving over 90% of real-world desktop PC performance.


Native 10Gbps Thunderbolt enclosure instead of using 5Gbps expresscard?

Kloper is using a Sonnet Echo Expresscard Pro Thunderbolt-to-expresscard adapter to connect a PE4L 2.1b (expresscard) to his MBA's TB port. That adapter downgrades bandwidth from Thunderbolt's native 10Gbps to Expresscard 2.0's 5Gbps.

OWC Helios and Sonnet Echo Express SE are alternative native 10Gbps TB solutions starting at a costlier $320. Though they have two additional problems. First is they'd need to remove the circuit board and run it without the case since it's restricted to single-width cards unless you want to pay US$799(!!) for a Sonnet Echo Express Pro that can host a double-width card. Second is they are missing the PCI Reset Delay circuit necessary for BIOS/MBR boot (bootcamped Win7/Win8) to work. Though T|I user Borealiss has a workaround circut to add a PCI Reset Delay. Do note that a 13" MBP can use UEFI instead of MBR/BIOS mode so doesn't require the PCI Reset Delay per details.

A US$180 BPlus TH05 (inc Thunderbolt cable) native Thunderbolt adapter had neither of these problems but was recalled in Jan 2013 due to (presumably) threats by Intel/Apple per TH05 recall notice.

The performance difference between 10Gbps Thunderbolt and 5Gbps expresscard as used in Kloper's solution is discussed at 2012 13" MBP + GTX660Ti + HD7870 (TH05 @ x2 2.0) with the conclusion:

What performance benefit does x2 2.0 give over x1 2.0?

* external LCD: +4.8%, max=18.1% [GTX660Ti: +6.3% max=18.1%; HD7870=+3.2% max=8.8%]
* internal LCD Optimus: +14.6% max=40.8%
* internal LCD Virtu^$35 : +21.5% max=36.6% [GTX660Ti=23.6% max=36.6%; HD7870=19.5% max=34.2]

Users with IVB/SB expresscard/mPCIe eGPU implementations would likely want to know how much better performance would a Thunderbolt eGPU provide.

We see external LCD sees only +4.8% with max 18.1% performance improvement over x1 2.0. This means the sample benchmarks
are not taxing the pci-e bus. The extra bandwidth showing it's significance when running in internal LCD mode where both Optimus and Virtu benefit significantly from the increased bandwidth.


Youtube gaming videos at expresscard 2.0 pci-e bandwidth level (x1.2Opt, 5Gbps + pci-e compression)

SimoxTa has produced the most comprehensive set of youtube game videos showing x1.2Opt internal LCD performance. x1.2Opt designates that a x1 link and iGPU was detected after which the NVidia Optimus driver engages pci-e compression greatly accelerating mostly DX9 titles (30-300%). That's using a 12.5" HP 2560P + GTX560 with the 1366x768 LCD resolution and 5Gbps pci-e bandwidth as kloper's 11" MBA above.

SimoxTa's Channel - YouTube: Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, WOW, Diablo 3, NFS Shift 2, Dragon Age 2 + more
SimoxTa's summary of performance seen. notebookreview.com host linked via webarchive as they've been a saboteur of this project.


Youtube gaming videos at native Thunderbolt pci-e bandwidth level (x2 2.0, ~10Gbps)

boon111 has youtube gaming videso showing x2 2.0 internal LCD performance. That's using a 2012 13" rMBP i7-3520M 2.9 + GTX670 with a native 10Gbps TH05 Thunderbolt adapter. Full configuration details at TH05 eGPU Setup 13" Retina Macbook Pro Late 2012.

boon111's channel - Youtube: Black Ops 2, Crysis 2, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, Dirt 3, Borderlands2, Batman Arkham City.


Best upcoming option: US$250 Silverstone T004 450W native 10Gbps Thunderbolt enclosure

The affordable gamechanger may come if Silverstone T004 is released in the coming month or two. US$250 for a 450W double-width, full length and width 10Gbps Thunderbolt eGPU enclosure. No messy wiring, well priced and looks great. Awesome. Will only be available for purchase if they pass Intel certification. Am curious if Intel will continue to be a fun-wrecker and block it or finally concede.

SilverStone debuts Thunderbolt external graphics card case
Computex 2013: Thunderbolt Graphics from Silverstone

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Seeking Intel/Apple cooperation

Intel have not exactly been generous in giving users pluggable bandwidth for their notebooks. Had they been more cooperative we would have seen mainstream eGPUs over 4 years go. Instead Intel obstructed the possibility by locking down features like user-settable x2/x4 southbridge ports (starting Series-6) preventing ganging mPCIe/expresscard slots to extract multi-lane bandwidth. Intel's oppositional conduct disorder means it's listed as a saboteur of this project.

The pressure now is on for Intel/Apple to stop resisting TB eGPUs and allow manufacturers to create affordable solutions for users to enjoy. Apple could help by making their firmware eGPU compatible preventing the need for pci-e fixups via rEFInd/Setup 1.x. Also need their 15" MBP re-engineered to allow the iGPU to be active in Windows too.


What if Intel/Apple continue to refuse to support eGPUs over Thunderbolt?

Then we'll continue to see more hacks via mPCIe slots such as MikJoa's workaround below. There Sony never bothered to allow an external desktop video card via it's proprietary 10Gbps Lightpeak port. So MikJoa completely ignored the LP port instead cutting a hole in his 13" Sony Z3 (awesome machine!) and wiring up an eGPU using the x1 2.0 (5Gbps) mPCIe wifi slot. End result is the same 5Gbps + pci-e compression bandwidth as kloper achieved but without any need for Thunderbolt accessories - it's all just straight pci-e 2.0, so is $134 cheaper than kloper's TB-to-expresscard one.

From DIY eGPU guide for sony VAIO VPC-Z2 & SVZ13. His ultrabook-like 13" Sony Z3 with i7-quad CPU and GTX660Ti@x1.2Opt eGPU packs a big punch.

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Apple could make a polished solution, something like Sony did with the Vaio Z.

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The Vaio Z was thinner and half a pound lighter than an MacBook Air, but had full voltage processors (up to quad core i7) like a Pro. The external case isn't just for the Blu-Ray reader/writer – it also housed a AMD graphics card.

Being a kid in the 80s, I caught a bit of Sony's glory days; when Sony brand was all quality (and very expensive), totally different than the Sony of today that attempts to cater to every market.

However, every now and then you get a glimpse of what made Sony Sony, this is one of them. That's brilliant actually
 
Apple could make a polished solution, something like Sony did with the Vaio Z.

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The Vaio Z was thinner and half a pound lighter than an MacBook Air, but had full voltage processors (up to quad core i7) like a Pro. The external case isn't just for the Blu-Ray reader/writer – it also housed a AMD graphics card.

Yep, I traded in my 2011 air at work and got the Z on Dec 2012 right after SONY said they were being discontinued - love the little guy.
 
I'm glad someone got it to work, but i mean...why bother?

I just dropped a $170 GTX 650 Ti Boost into my old 2008 Mac Pro, and it's way more than twice as fast as this frankenair.

This is great as a "can it be done" experiment, but it isn't a "solution" by any means. It would probably be less annoying to carry around a mac pro and a monitor than to carry around all of those cables and adapters and such in the name of mobile gaming.

And it only works on the windows side right now. and this solution costs more than a used mac pro.

I wouldn't call a 570 "high-end graphics" either. A 790 is high-end, or a Titan, or a couple of 660s in SLI.

Good to see the concrete thinkers and drones out in force today.
 
2011-2013 Thunderbolt is 10Gbps

See comments here about Thunderbolt's bandwidth limitations. The electrical link to the pci-e device is x4 2.0 (~16Gbps) but the Thunderbolt-to-Thunderbolt channel is only 10Gbps, slightly faster than x2 2.0. Need to wait for 'Thunderbolt 2' with 2014 ETA to see them uprate that to 20Gbps. 'Thunderbolt 2' will be slightly faster than x4 2.0 performance, giving ~90% of real-world desktop PC performance.



PE4H 3.2 instead of PE4L 2.1 for a tidier solution

Get a $170 Plus PE4H 3.2 instead of the $70 Bplus PE4L 2.1 used in the arcticle.

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There are Sonnet Echo Express SE and OWC Helios native TB solutions starting at ~$320. Problem there is they'd need to be run without the case as are only single width/length and are missing the PCI Reset Delay circuit necessary for BIOS/MBR boot (bootcamped Win7) to work otherwise requiring workarounds.

Sonnet/Magma have full length and double-width enclosures but are like ~US$800. Too expensive.

US$250 Silverstone T004 450W Thunderbolt enclosure

The affordable gamechanger may come if Silverstone T004 is released as they say in the coming month or two. $250 for a 450W double-width, full length Thunderbolt eGPU enclosure. Awesome.

http://www.eteknix.com/computex-silverstone-t004-mitx-chassis-on-display/

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i have this very enclosure

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Yep, I traded in my 2011 air at work and got the Z on Dec 2012 right after SONY said they were being discontinued - love the little guy.

13" Sony Z3 is awesome. We've had some eGPU implemenations on those using the wifi mPCIe slot. http://forum.techinferno.com/diy-e-gpu-projects/2158-diy-egpu-guide-sony-vaio-vpc-z2-svz13.html

The combo of 13" i7-quad in an ultrabook-small chassis, 1080P LCD with RAID-0 storage and eGPU means it packs the most performance in the smallest chassis in the Ivy Bridge series. Haswell is bringing about ~10% increase in performance so it looks like it will keep it's title.

Next in line would be a 12.5" HP Elitebook 2570P. 45W i7-quad upgradable, RAID-0 storage capable, expresscard slot for eGPU, 6/9-cell battery options and available for very low ebay price (< $600).
 
Does this setup simply use the external GPU as the primary GPU? Sorta like between iGPU/dGPU switching??

Man, i would love to actually use my thunderbolt port in my early 2011 i7 17" for something like this. Is this windows only?

Come on apple, your OS X is advance but obviously not advanced enough to do this natively!
 
A more elegant solution would be Sonnet Echo Express Pro. It offers an internal power connector used by higher end audio DSP cards or GPUs, supports dual width, full length cards, connects with Thunderbolt (no converters) and offers a Thunderbolt throughport. Much less wires. Much more compact and much more portable.

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpresschassis.html

Though a lot more expensive at $799, and at 150W inadequately powered for pretty much any higher end graphics cards.

Of course Sonnet's boxes make a lot of sense when you have a couple of $30k racks full of AVID hardware that need to be adapted to a Thunderbolt Mac.

But a more sensibly priced solution would be a really welcome addition to the currently available selection.
 
Does this setup simply use the external GPU as the primary GPU? Sorta like between iGPU/dGPU switching??

Man, i would love to actually use my thunderbolt port in my early 2011 i7 17" for something like this. Is this windows only?

Come on apple, your OS X is advance but obviously not advanced enough to do this natively!

has to have external monitor plugged into box , unless you use nvidia and it can be made to show up on internal (i believe)

either way this solution is very intermittent at best , i would not call it a solution but a project , i have tried around 15 video cards in it and most work.


also this unit can destroy a laptop quick if you unplug the power and it draws a load on the expresscard slot in a pc laptop.
 
This just might the future of Apple computing: minimal components inside the case, plenty of Thunderbolt expandability. Compute modules, GPU modules, storage modules, and maybe even 3rd party plastic disc-burning modules.
 
I don't really care about the technical term but this is genius.

I should have just bought Air and set this up. And use this "whatever-you-called" when I want to play game. Then remove it when I am outside meeting my client.
 
If this will improve my photo editing / video editing experience, I will be very happy. MBA is a perfect portable computer, and I would love to be able to use the same system for all my projects.
 
GREAT!

Exactly what I needed.

To spend MORE money on my mac to do something on windows that I can already do at half the price of an Apple product. :p
 
When I saw the new Mac Pro I thought that it would drive more solutions like this. Even if few people by the Mac Pro it will increase the availability of external pci bays. And what other Mac hardware will also benefit from the external bays? Every other Mac! Now every MBA and MBP becomes superchargeable.

I think it is a great strategy. Apple makes more money on laptops and wants to keep doing that. So the nod that the Mac Pro represents is actually more important than the computer that ships.
 
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