11 yr rapes 76 yr old what is the world coming to

[NusuniAdmin]

that kid is lucky he got caught by the police or his own parents. when i was 16, a 14 year old broke into my house and attempted to rob our valuables, problem was my mom saw him and he started beating her. I was upstairs and heard the screaming, came down and stabbed that bitc* He's not dead but im 100% sure he's physically and emotionally scarred. my point - people like me dont give a fu** about the kid. if some kid is raping ... letsay your grandmother, would you seriously sit there and think about how he had a tough childhoood or something, no, you'd kick his ass. im pretty sure theres people out there with guns in their homes ready to pull that trigger. those parents better start realizing the worst case scenario isn't juvy, but a straight up dead child.

100% agree

or if you wanna be really mean, like you said before, just majorly majorly emotionally scar them and hopefully they will learn.....or shoot themselves.

reminds me of last winter when some punk 14 year olds were throwing snowballs at passing cars. They did that and i asked my mom to stop the car. I got out and made some ice balls (breathed on snowball and let it melt then let it froze real fast) and threw them right at those ****ers, their dad came out and yelled at me but when he found out what they did he looked prettyed po'ed

 

[kylos]

violence spawns violence to physically punish a child tells the child to keep not explore it's boundary, while it may work in the short term it is bad for the child.

i have never been physically punished nor told not to watch tv or anything really, treat a child like an adult and the child will become one, treat a child like a baby and it will cry for attention and missbehave the child here has been subject no doubt to a bad childhood and no amount of violence towards the child can fix that

I don't want to turn this into a big debate, but I feel that the notion that violence spawns violence is simplistic at best. While abuse is obviously wrong, and I do not in any way endorse corporal punishment as standand fare for a naughty child, it seems obvious that at times nothing other than a spanking will restrain and train a stubborn and rebellious child. Sometimes a child will not stop at simply exploring his boundaries, but will instead abuse the liberty a parent has allowed and completely disrespect their parents remonstrations/encouragements/warnings/directions. At times, it might be necessary to literally save their lives from self-destructive behavior such as running across a street, eating poison, etc.

Also, to note, I don't find it unreasonable that you were able to grow up fine without any corporal punishment. Some people are simply less likely to need massive redirection in life, but that fact does not mean corporal punishment is not needed for those who do need such firm correction.

Also, a child is not an adult, and treating a child like an adult is simply foolish. A parents responsibility is to grow a child into an adult, slowly shifting freedom and responsibility to their children. Children who are made aware of their boundaries as a child, whether accomplished through explanations alone (if that is all that is necessary) or through more strict punishment, are much less likely to end up on the wrong side of the law.

 

[MrMacMan]

give him the chair

I agree.

There is no place in this world were any of those who witnessed the act should be allowed to live.

First of all -- Your 11.
Second of all -- For sweet god, your trying to have sex with someone.
Third -- RAPE? What the hell is wrong with you, its waayy early to DATE at that age.


What lesson will he learn by going to prision, he is mentally disturbed, with the rest of them.


Shame on them all.

 

[tomato]

what are you saying?

Phat_Pat wrote:

>if hes goes to jail then he'll drop the soap and then he'll know exactly why hes in there

So now you are advocating the gangrape of an 11 year old? Would I be right in thinking that you're an American?

To someone else who said 'children need to be spanked and punished' - might I remind you that there are entire nations where it is illegal to spank or smack any child, even for the parents. These include some of the scandinavian nations - Finland, Sweden etc.

+tomato+

 

[gluemeat]

That is a very heinous crime. Where were the parents. When will parents ever wake up, they also need to be held responsible. At some point parents need to again take responsibility.

Parents need to teach children responsibility for their actions, but parents have trouble taking responsibility themselves, blaming music, TV, bad influences at school, teachers, etc. I know, I'm a parent. I talk with other parents. I can't believe the stuff that comes out of some mouths. I try my best to teach my kid to do so, and I like to think I practice what I preach, but like anything you try to do differently from the mainway, it's real hard.

Then again, where are we supposed to learn to take responsibility for our actions when there's no model to follow? Neither our Canadian or American governments take responsibility for their mistakes. Passing the buck is commonplace. Two days ago we had partial elections here in my home town for our provincial government. One of the older parties lost a seat to a younger party. This morning, the older party is blaming a talk radio host for inciting voters to cast their ballot for the party that won. Forget about acceepting that their ideas are detached from real life.

It's just not cool to be responsible.

 

[Abstract]

that kid is lucky he got caught by the police or his own parents. when i was 16, a 14 year old broke into my house and attempted to rob our valuables, problem was my mom saw him and he started beating her. I was upstairs and heard the screaming, came down and stabbed that bitc* He's not dead but im 100% sure he's physically and emotionally scarred. my point - people like me dont give a fu** about the kid. if some kid is raping ... letsay your grandmother, would you seriously sit there and think about how he had a tough childhoood or something, no, you'd kick his ass. im pretty sure theres people out there with guns in their homes ready to pull that trigger. those parents better start realizing the worst case scenario isn't juvy, but a straight up dead child.

Agreed 100%. Love you for that. That's exactly what I think.

jeez when i was 11 i didn't even know what rape was.....

what kind of environment were these kids living in?

Yeah, me neither. I used to wear BMX sweatpants and play hoops/basketball.

Today, I see 11 year old girls wear lots of makeup and these shiny aluminium-looking jackets, like they're all trendy and grown up. If I was a parent, I think my job is to make sure my kid stays a kid. Rape is an adult problem, or so I thought. I'm not talking about child rape. I'm saying children shouldn't even know what that is. I don't even know why an 11 year old would want to rape an 76 year old....someone like their grandma.

 

[NusuniAdmin]

somehow they will try and blame it on video games

 

[jayscheuerle]

Lock 'em all up, the whole family.

Being a parent is the biggest responsibility you can take on and this kid's folks failed miserably. Sterilize both of them, make them take parenting classes and do community service for a couple of years. Straighten the kid out and put him in foster care until his parents shape up....

 

[MongoTheGeek]

somehow they will try and blame it on video games

Yeah...
Granny Theft Auto

 

[rueyeet]

reminds me of last winter when some punk 14 year olds were throwing snowballs at passing cars. They did that and i asked my mom to stop the car. I got out and made some ice balls (breathed on snowball and let it melt then let it froze real fast) and threw them right at those ****ers, their dad came out and yelled at me but when he found out what they did he looked prettyed po'ed

Someone here in Baltimore got so fed up with the kids throwing snowballs at passing cars (and the kids here will throw rocks and make those snowballs into iceballs first, they're snotty little maladjusted bastards). So they pulled out a gun and took a potshot at one of the kids. Got him, too, though not fatally.

After getting crap thrown at the bus I rode every day in practically every neighborhood it passed through during the snowy part of winter, I couldn't find it in me to be at all surprised, or even outraged.

Sometimes I'm very idealistic and can believe in the idea that every single human life is a sacred miracle, entitled to its chance at everything that makes existence worthwhile. Other times, it just seems like some people are not worth the skin they're wrapped in, and are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

 

[Hemingray]

that kid is lucky he got caught by the police or his own parents. when i was 16, a 14 year old broke into my house and attempted to rob our valuables, problem was my mom saw him and he started beating her. I was upstairs and heard the screaming, came down and stabbed that bitc* He's not dead but im 100% sure he's physically and emotionally scarred. my point - people like me dont give a fu** about the kid. if some kid is raping ... letsay your grandmother, would you seriously sit there and think about how he had a tough childhoood or something, no, you'd kick his ass. im pretty sure theres people out there with guns in their homes ready to pull that trigger. those parents better start realizing the worst case scenario isn't juvy, but a straight up dead child.

Absolutely! I agree 100%. If anyone tried that in my house, the last thing they'd see would be the tactical flashlight at the end of my Mossberg.

 

[Koree]

That is just scary...

I'm in shock... what the heck world!??!?!?!?!

 

[themadchemist]

Your post is an example of where parenting is required. Those boys should have grown up when I did. They would learn the use of a very vigorous spanking. No TV, just home from school, study, dinner, and bed. Should continue until full repentance of his act. All the boys should receive the same. Even if a juvenile trial, the record will be expunged prior to being a adult. If they are not straighten out and soon, they could end most of there adult lives in prison. All of them with there parent should visit the lady and apologize. They also need counseling.

You're waaaaay too nice. I agree juvie's no place for these kids, but something more than no tv is in order. Psychiatric help, of course, is a must.

 

[t300]

I would have thought this story would have gotten more press, but I haven't seen anything on this horrible story...

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

And now we have this:

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/cri...tory/0001/20040925/0230234797.htm&floc=NW_1-T

 

[wdlove]

You're waaaaay too nice. I agree juvie's no place for these kids, but something more than no tv is in order. Psychiatric help, of course, is a must.

That is what I meant by counseling. Some tough love is what's in order. They are still at a young age they might be able to be turned around. Incarceration would only cause them to be more violent.

 

[tech4all]

And now we have this:

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/cri...tory/0001/20040925/0230234797.htm&floc=NW_1-T

Sad. I have a soon-to-be 7 year old cousin, and I could never imagine him doing such a horrific act; or any 7 year old for that matter. Makes you wonder how parents are bringing up their children nowadays.

 

[King Cobra]

I heard about the story already. It's too wierd for me... (potentially offensive comment follows) why would a pre-teen (before 13) have intercourse with an old hag? Somebody explain that one to me.

At the current rate, we're a week away from reading that a 50 year old homosexual jacked a horse from behind...

 

[slughead]

By the way people, you're all ASSUMING he did it. We DON'T know the facts, all we know is what the POLICE said. Maybe they goofed up and started pressuring the other boys into admitting to what they didn't see. They're just little kids, remember?

Are you sure he just wasn't harassing her and she decided to put him away for good?

Innocent until proven guilty, remember? Reasonable doubt? Beuller? Beuller?

In a case like this, I'd say a good portion of the time it's just the police believing the victim and with the prior history, assuming all the pieces are falling together when in reality they've just been had. They're so stunned by the allegations that they're thinking "SOMEONE HAS TO PAY!!"

 

[grapes911]

By the way people, you're all ASSUMING he did it. We DON'T know the facts, all we know is what the POLICE said. Maybe they goofed up and started pressuring the other boys into admitting to what they didn't see. They're just little kids, remember?

Are you sure he just wasn't harassing her and she decided to put him away for good?

Innocent until proven guilty, remember? Reasonable doubt? Beuller? Beuller?

In a case like this, I'd say a good portion of the time it's just the police believing the victim and with the prior history, assuming all the pieces are falling together when in reality they've just been had. They're so stunned by the allegations that they're thinking "SOMEONE HAS TO PAY!!"

The police must have some evidence. If a little kid is in the position that there is any evidence that he may have raped someone, it is a sad day.

 

[King Cobra]

By the way people, you're all ASSUMING he did it. We DON'T know the facts, all we know is what the POLICE said. Maybe they goofed up and started pressuring the other boys into admitting to what they didn't see. They're just little kids, remember?

Robin Quivers, Howard Stern Show, Sep. 23, 2004, reported that the day before, police said "the kids had been terrorizing [the lady] all week . . . breaking in and taking cash from her. The other day, they walked in while she was taking a bird bath in her kitchen sink . . . and this 11 year old walked in and demanded money, and then ordered her to take off her clothes, and go into the bedroom . . . . The woman said the 11 year old put on a condom and tried to rape her, followed by a second boy."

Therefore, he very likely did it.

 

[slughead]

the police said ... The woman said

If we're going to try this CHILD in this forum, why don't you fly to Milwaukee and observe the court proceedings.

The day I trust the word of police and a witness with a conflict of interest in the total destruction of a persons life is the day I pledge my allegiance to fascism. Melodramatic, but for christ's sake, the ACCUSATION is what's making the headlines, not the story later about the "not guilty" verdict. This happens all the time, and it trains us to see the accused as guilty, even those of us who've taken a civics class or have done jury duty.

 

[slughead]

The police must have some evidence. If a little kid is in the position that there is any evidence that he may have raped someone, it is a sad day.

Any evidence? What? like he was both out of school and lived nearby? You know that's considered "evidence," right?

I think it's a sad day when people read the accusation and assume guilt. Watch courtTV sometime, it's totally INSANE. The so-called "reporters" on that channel ought to be dragged to the chair without trial, as they propose to do to all accused of any crime. Hang 'em high and hang 'em now. Thank God the media doesn't serve on juries.

At this point, what if the police found out he had an alibi? Would that make the papers? Would that make it on the DrudgeReport? Not unless it came out a day or two after the initial story. I'd like to see how many of these "atrocities" make it to trial, let alone are found to be true in court.


After the police have completed the investigation (which, by the way, they've just barely begun), they take it to the district attorney and he decides whether or not to prosecute. After that there is a hearing, to see if there should be a trial, and then an arraignment to see how the accused pleads, THEN there's the trial, and at the END OF THE TRIAL, THAT's when the accused is found either Guilty or not (unlikely) guilty.

As you can see, we're just starting stage 1, but already the little boy's life is over. Maybe they wont put his name out in the papers, but the people in the area will know, and he'll never pass a FBI background check for as long as he lives, even if he is found not guilty. He'll have to move, that's for sure.. provided he can afford to, after his parents spend their life savings on defense attorneys.

I love justice.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

I heard about the story already. It's too wierd for me... (potentially offensive comment follows) why would a pre-teen (before 13) have intercourse with an old hag? Somebody explain that one to me.

At the current rate, we're a week away from reading that a 50 year old homosexual jacked a horse from behind...

Rape is not about sex or gratification, but power. Power can also be humiliation. If this kid did what he was said to have done, he feels powerless in other parts of his life.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

To those that think the kid is being prejudged, you are just as guilty in assuming innocence. He would not be arrested is there weren't sufficient evidence that could lead to conviction. Most DA's I know cringe at the "enemy combatant" holdings.

The feelings that some have stated are based IMO on successful prosecution. We are not talking of a case where the police did not find the kid with pants around his ankle. I would still hope that we have innocence before guilt in the US.

The problem I see is that we no longer care what happens in our neighborhoods, either by the residents or the parents. When I was growing up, I couldn't spit on the sidewalk without my parents finding out. If I were putting myself or others in danger, the neighbors got involved right away.

Today we have a fear of the unknown. We don't know what weapons someone may be carrying. Or how they will react when confronted. I have been yelled at and threatened by children and parents for trying to keep the kids safe (they were riding their bikes out into traffic without looking or denting a car with their bikes or toys). This is extending in to the attitudes of the kids in our schools. We are living for self gratification today, to hell with everyone else.