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So a federal judge has granted Sony a subpoena request to go after a hackers website who posted information on how to hack a PS3. The problem is that you just had to click the link and not even use the hack to be under Sony's lawsuit.
Federal Magistrate Joseph Spero has approved a request by Sony to subpoena the hacker GeoHot’s web host, as well as YouTube, Google, and Twitter, for identifying information on anyone who has accessed, commented, or viewed information relating to the hack. At best this is lazy on Sony’s part and irresponsible on Magistrate Spero’s, and at worst it is a deliberate and malicious wholesale violation of privacy.

The pretense for this wildly overreaching action is that Sony needs this information to prove the case should be tried in San Francisco, in federal court and close to Sony’s headquarters. Why? Because it’s in Sony’s terms of service. This after another judge noted previously that by Sony’s standards, “the entire universe would be subject to [her] jurisdiction.”

Sony contends that the subpoenas are “narrowly tailored for jurisdictional discovery.” Yet their subpoena for Bluehost, GeoHot’s host, requires “all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms” and “any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using your service and associated with the www.geohot.com website, including but not limited to the geohot.com/jailbreak.zip file.” Essentially, everyone who visited GeoHot’s site (or his blog at Blogspot) is subject to involvement in this case.

They also will subpoena YouTube and Google requiring identifying information for anyone who watched GeoHot’s video showing a PS3 hack.

Every viewer. Every visitor. No matter how they came there, whether they downloaded the contested information. Whether they used that information illegally or not. I’m on that list. Are you? How do you like the idea of Sony subpoenaing your personal browsing data from when you followed a link from Reddit or CrunchGear?

The EFF has responded in a letter to the Magistrate, saying “the discovery seeks information about non-parties and… the relationship to the narrow jurisdictional question at issue [i.e. where the case should be tried] seem tenuous at best” and citing a previous decision in which it was found that “Nonparty disclosure is only appropriate in the exceptional case where the compelling need for the discovery sought outweighs the First Amendment rights of the anonymous speaker.”

Sony contests that everything is proper, and that the non-parties (which is to say, me and you) will have a chance to contest involvement. Really? Sony is asking that the court knowingly involve potentially hundreds of thousands of individuals, because those individuals aren’t legally restricted from saying they’re not involved. They may as well accuse the whole world and then let the 6.9 billion of us not concerned each send a letter to Magistrate Spero saying there’s been a minor mistake.
http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/03/0...rmation-for-anyone-who-visited-hackers-sites/
 
something is wrong with this justice system.

i can somehow understand sony because if they do not go after the hackers they could be liable for damages to their shareholders for not using all legal means to protect their business. i know, a lame argument but imaginable. but a justice breaching privacy for a non damaging hack for that you have to buy the PS3 anyway is troubling. they seem not to understand what the higher value to the public is. or they don't care about the public.......:mad:
 
1. The judge needs fired. We don't need idiots like him in the justice system.

2. How is Sony going to go after someone for hacking when they used to hack everyone who put a sony music CD in their computer? Did everyone forget about the sony rootkit that not only opened up your windows computer to attack, but also was un-removable. Any attempts to remove it damaged the OS and not even sony could create a removal tool for it.

If I were a judge I'd throw this lawsuit out of court.
 
Indeed. If Sony wins this case someone should use it as a precedent to sue them over the rootkit.

I've jailbroken my PS3 just to spite Sony over this. (Also, there's actually some pretty cool homebrew, especially old console emulators and MAME)
 
This magistrate should definitely be removed from duty, but that's not how our justice system works. At worst his ruling will be reversed (which it should be).

Personally this just makes me want to jailbreak my PS3 just to spite Sony. It almost made me consider selling my PS3 and getting a 360 but then I remembered I can't stand the 360 (or Microsoft).
 
Personally this just makes me want to jailbreak my PS3 just to spite Sony. It almost made me consider selling my PS3 and getting a 360 but then I remembered I can't stand the 360 (or Microsoft).

Do it! It's a very functional device. I think I'm going to try an arcade stick + MAME setup.
 
This magistrate should definitely be removed from duty, but that's not how our justice system works. At worst his ruling will be reversed (which it should be).

Personally this just makes me want to jailbreak my PS3 just to spite Sony. It almost made me consider selling my PS3 and getting a 360 but then I remembered I can't stand the 360 (or Microsoft).

If Google or Apple made a console, would anyone buy it?
 
Yes they would.

I am glad that I sold my PS3. I feel slightly bad that I own a Sony camera, but that's basically Minolta tech...
 
True but Sony has to realize that they are over reaching.

Yes and no.

Sony claims they need the information to prove appropriate jurisdiction. Okay fine. Give it to them. Although the IP, one would think, is enough to show that folks in San Fran and surrounds were part of the culprits.

Now considering those folks just as guilty and trying to sue them for damages I agree is way overreaching. Nothing in the DCMA clearly states that accessing such info is illegal, just providing it is (even with the current exemptions)


If Google or Apple made a console, would anyone buy it?


Apple already has one. Or the hardware for one. The iOS powered Apple TV. Open it up to app designers to create games that run on the Apple TV while requiring in ipad/iphone/ipod touch for the controller. I saw a game recently that would work perfectly. It was called The Incident I think. You could play it alone on a single device but if you have an ipad and an iphone/ipod touch you could pair them so the ipad was the 'tv' and the whatever was your controller. Probably really easy to switch that latter option to the Apple TV and your whatever.

Course the one group of apps I would love to play that way will never come to be cause Nintendo would blow itself up before they created iOS versions of their games, even the old ones. So no Super Mario 1 for me now that my machine died.
 
Boycotts don't work.

Doesn't mean we can't hate on them a little. Although a boycott may never bring the demise of any such targeted entity, it can still send a message. All you can do is use the tools at your disposal really, vote with your feet!
 
^ Yup. Love my Bravia and PSP.


Heh, my thoughts exactly. I bet the boycott is dropped for the iPhone 5 ;).

I'd sure be whining a lot more if Apple had successfully made jailbreaking illegal. But they got shot down hard. Which is exactly what should happen to Sony.

Anonymous took down PSN for a few hours and several Sony sites, on a side note. Been an interesting 'net drama.
 
Discovering who visited a website is a whole lot different than naming those people in a lawsuit. The demand is overbroad, but until a visitor to the guy's website gets named in the lawsuit, I really cannot get all that excited about it. This kind of stuff happens every single day. The "tech" angle is the only reason the media has any interest in this thing at all.
 
anyone who starts to boycott Sony or is feeling bad about having Sony products because of this, is a very close minded individual.
 
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