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How can lead from behind when none of those products is selling really well. They're not trying to catch race horse there, they're simply waiting for the right moment, right tech, right experience to enter the market with a good product. I suppose the Iphone was also "leading from behind", guess they should continue failing in that exact same way since it gave them 40B in profits a year.

So, if Apple comes out with a Ipad PRO and sells 5-10M of them,they'd suck because they are not the first even they are the first successful at it ?

I suggest you reread what I wrote. As well, Apple iPad sales compared to other makers, is not doing that well (though iPad holds a large part of that market due to return buyers). Apple starts ahead of the gang, others catch up and often surpass in features then Apple releases a newer model. The question remains whether the newer model is better than the other makers offerings. This is strictly in reference to technology and features. Apple hasn't offered any great improvements for a long while and thus is leading from behind on technology. Last year, iPad sales dropped, meanwhile items like chromebooks increased 160 percent. The point remains that Apple does what Apple wants on Apple's own time, their market model and depend heavily on promotion and NOT real innovation during certain periods of sales and development.
 
I suggest you reread what I wrote. As well, Apple iPad sales compared to other makers, is not doing that well (though iPad holds a large part of that market due to return buyers). Apple starts ahead of the gang, others catch up and often surpass in features then Apple releases a newer model. The question remains whether the newer model is better than the other makers offerings. This is strictly in reference to technology and features. Apple hasn't offered any great improvements for a long while and thus is leading from behind on technology. Last year, iPad sales dropped, meanwhile items like chromebooks increased 160 percent. The point remains that Apple does what Apple wants on Apple's own time, their market model and depend heavily on promotion and NOT real innovation during certain periods of sales and development.

I read EXACTLY what you wrote and it makes NO SENSE. They catch apple on sales IN THE LOW END. That's it. The whole tablet market is stalling btw.

All the reviews of tablets that compete with the Air 2 have the Air 2 on top by a big amount without a fail. So, how on earth have they caught up with Apple?

The chromebook is 1/3 the price of a Apple tablet and NOT EVEN A GOD DAMN TABLET, so what is your point exactly. Do you have a point?

If your telling me that Apple should compete with sub $250 tablet or release trash $300 notebooks, well hey I don't agree at all and I'm sure they're not agreeing too.

Do you know if any of those people actually make money from those things? Even developers develop for IOS first and then port to Android. Basically they use IOS development to subsidize Android app development. That should tell you were the money is. If not for IOS, they'd be almost no apps developed for Android.
 
I read EXACTLY what you wrote and it makes NO SENSE. They catch apple on sales IN THE LOW END. That's it. The whole tablet market is stalling btw.

All the reviews of tablets that compete with the Air 2 have the Air 2 on top by a big amount without a fail. So, how on earth have they caught up with Apple?

The chromebook is 1/3 the price of a Apple tablet and NOT EVEN A GOD DAMN TABLET, so what is your point exactly. Do you have a point?

If your telling me that Apple should compete with sub $250 tablet or release trash $300 notebooks, well hey I don't agree at all and I'm sure they're not agreeing too.

Do you know if any of those people actually make money from those things? Even developers develop for IOS first and then port to Android. Basically they use IOS development to subsidize Android app development. That should tell you were the money is. If not for IOS, they'd be almost no apps developed for Android.

Perhaps you can count to three before you insist on approaching a flaming response that speaks more about your lackluster understanding and ability to comprehend what others write. - By all means, get the last word in. Yawn.
 
Perhaps you can count to three before you insist on approaching a flaming response that speaks more about your lackluster understanding and ability to comprehend what others write. - By all means, get the last word in. Yawn.

Oh, an inane "burn".. Since you put up a big zilch as an argument here, I Guess you just invented the "air" brand of reply...
 
You seem to be obsessed with proving that a higher screen density has benefits. We get that. I don't remember seeing you mentioning that UI responsiveness is something important, even though it's inversely linked to resolution size and screen density.

I'd rather have a responsive 12" iPad pro at 265 PPI than a 386 PPI tablet with a jittery UI.

Of course UI responsiveness is important, I've never said otherwise. Find where I said I want a high density display that lags and jitters and I'll buy you a six pack of your choice.

You assume that since Samsung cannot make a responsive high density display tablet, it follows that Apple cannot do so either. There is a flaw in your logic, I'll let you figure out where it is.
 
tablets are the future of PC, even MS believes it

Apple should release the iPad Pro in 2 variants @ 12 inch screen size:
- one with a standard retina screen for $599 @ 16GB to start with,
- and one with a 3k screen res. (3x the base resolution of the original iPad), for $799 @ 16GB size

and 2 more variants @ 14 inch screen size:
-one with the 3k res. (mentioned above) for $799 @ 32GB to start with,
-and one with a 5k screen res. for $999 @ 32GB to start with size.

and oh, they should of course embrace the 256GB max. tier size as well as standard 3-4GB RAM, and a true hybrid OS that combines the best features of iOS and OS X.
If Apple fails to see this coming, Android will eat them alive, and MS Windows 10 for tablets will surpass them as well.
Merry Christmas everyone (chew on this for a while)
;):eek::apple:
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iMac 27" non-retina (good enough specs.)
iPad Pro 9 - A20X4 chip, 8GB RAM, 512GB, 14" @ 5k res. :cool:
 
Did i not make this clear in my earlier post? Not sure whether at those prices the Surface Pro3 is actually a tablet or not especially when it is quite a bit of premium over some extremely capable laptops and tablets. If Apple launches the iPad+ with similar features at a price range of $1000-$2000, not sure whether it can still be called a tablet. I think apple will continue to take enterprise away from the PC to the tablet, rather then come up with a device which combines the functions of the two...Just my opinion...

Yes the sp3 is somewhat pricey--but i use my surface exclusively as a tablet. I didnt even buy the keycover. The whole thing is the pen functionality. I dont need games and apps. I need a pen, one note and sketchbook pro and some real multitasking
 
I pray that if this thing is real they do NOT have a 16gb option. I wish i could say that they would never be that foolish... but, well...

Sandisk just came out with a 16/32/64 memory disk with a lightning connection. Maybe 16G devices will be enough and we can avoid being raped by the Apple memory pricing scam.
 
I understand iPhone 6 & 6+ was needed because consumers demanded larger screens on smartphones. The overwhelming iPhone 6 demand proves it.

But is there an unmet demand for large 12" tablets that competitors are making and Apple not ?

I don't think so. Am I missing something?

Agreed. The iPhone 6 : 6+ sales are 3:1. The larger screen iPad would be a niche product size IMHO.

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I just don't see it happening.

Expandable media. No need to wait for Apple. New SanDisk iXpand flash drive with a lightning connector. 32g for $80.
 
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