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13.3 inch rMBP in September
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Really? I think that 16GB is a must for CS6 and big files.
I am looking forward to seeing the specs for the 13" rMBP.
maybe but i think they always need to keep the 15 and 13 different in more ways then 2" screen, if they did they could really only make the 2 about $150 different in price
The thing is, my 2011 13" mbp already got pretty hot - without a dGPU.
But maybe with the new cooling layout they are able to handle the heat, even with a single fan.
I still wonder if they have enough space, especially with the thinner profile and the bigger battery. Even with a smaller hd and no superdrive...
Exactly. Why would Apple have 2 systems with essentially the same form factor, but slightly different componentry, at about the same price point? That makes no sense. There has to be more differentiation between the systems than just a relatively minor difference in screen quality.
Maybe they'd drop the price of the Air at the same time.
Nobody to blame but yourself. You've been around long enough to have known the rMBP13 was an eventuality.
Can you post screens of this in Activity Monitor?
I can't imagine using 4GB of RAM in Photoshop.
My point was, that if they have integrated graphics and a similar CPU then it is more or less the same device as a MBA with a nicer screen. I'd like to see a dedicated GPU and decent CPU to justify the higher price - then we have two different products albeit with the same form factor.
You think that a dedicated GPU would mean anything to the general consumer?
I understand the technical reason for why having one is good, and I agree. But I wonder who Apple is targeting with this 13 inch system. Sure, the 15 inch rMBP was for early adopters and geeks and power users. But who would be the target audience for a 13 inch rMBP? I think it would be more for the general consumer rather than the types who got the 15 inch model. If that's true, then I don't see a clear distinction between it and the MBA.
It is certainly going to be much less expensive than the $2199 Retina 15".
I'm guessing they will keep the 13" Pro at the starting price of $1199, while pricing the 13" Retina at $1499.
I'm also betting on Dual Graphics, loss of optical drive, thinner, USB 3, basically a 13" counterpart to the Retina 15".
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The Air would be lighter, weaker, non-Retina. Made for the masses.
The Pro Retina would be a professional level portable machine capable to graphics work, photography, etc - and yes, that is where the Dedicated GPU will be a factor for people buying these Pro Retinas.
I think that there is a large segment who want a machine that is more robust than the MBA in the travel friendly 13" size. A think that a 13" rMBP with a 16GB RAM BTO will appeal to biz users who use their machines differently than do students and everyday users. I don't see the 13" MBA and MBP merging as is often suggested. All 13" users do not have the same needs and wants. Hasn't the 13" MBP been Apple's best seller?
Yes, and next year, all Non-Retina pros are going to be phased out.
Leaving... you guessed it.. 2 lines of Apple Laptops. The Airs (for general use), and the Pros (with Retina).
The 13" Air will take the place of the current 13" pro with stride.
I would buy a MBP 13'' with a dedicated gpu, even a non-retina one. I skipped this generation because 1) it is not really necessary for me (still going with Nehalem) 2) Haswell looks a lot more promising on integrated gpu side 3) I tried many form factors (from eeepc 7'' to alienware 18'') and i decided 13'' is for me.
I have to disagree with this part, the Air is a premium notebook, not as fast or expandable but premium none the less. With that in mind consider that Apple gave the Air a retina display, its just right. One of the worlds slimmest notebooks in form factor with a retina display. You know it's a smart move.
I personally find 13" to be a great form factor for portable usage without large screen real estate drawbacks as well.
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The Air is like $950 for the cheapest laptop, it's premium because it's an Apple product, but otherwise, a mainstream Apple product.
I have the 15 iteration of this. I really like it. My Air screen looks shabby now.
The specs should be interesting. How much will it weigh?
Who thinks there going to put a quad in a 13"? It would be a first.
there's a lot of things about this that are pretty interesting. Should be fun month. I will sell my 15" for this as I can't justify owning more than one laptop at a time.
note: I've found that if I own more than one I really only use one, and the other one doesn't get any milage. The only reason I get reluctant to sell, is that i'm unsure of which one I should own. In other words, the ambivalence in which one suffers when buying extends into ownership with: 'which one to sell' (it never ends
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The specs should be interesting. How much will it weigh?
Who thinks there going to put a quad in a 13"? It would be a first.
there's a lot of things about this that are pretty interesting. Should be fun month. I will sell my 15" for this as I can't justify owning more than one laptop at a time.
note: I've found that if I own more than one I really only use one, and the other one doesn't get any milage. The only reason I get reluctant to sell, is that i'm unsure of which one I should own. In other words, the ambivalence in which one suffers when buying extends into ownership with: 'which one to sell' (it never ends
)Hi guys I repeat what I wrote in other tread some days ago....
This is my opinion (and hope!) about cpus of new rMBP 13":
I hope the last benchmark that came out some weeks ago is referred to the "base model" and the top model has got a quad-codre i7 3612QM (2.1ghz, 35 W)
If we remember the first benchmark posted some months ago, about the 15" rMBP, the result showed us i i7 2.3ghz w/ 8gb ram, which was just the base model too.....
Considering that Apple usually sells two models and considering that i7 3520M is the highest clocked dual-core cpu available at the moment on the market, if these benchmark are referred to the base model, the only chance for apple to have a "top" model is to build it with a 3612QM, imho.
Damn.. then look at the Sony Vaio on this article:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Sony-Vaio-Z-2012.htm
...and look which CPU option it gives (section: Performance and Horsepower)!! If Sony does it, why not Apple too??
Bye
Andrea
This is my opinion (and hope!) about cpus of new rMBP 13":
I hope the last benchmark that came out some weeks ago is referred to the "base model" and the top model has got a quad-codre i7 3612QM (2.1ghz, 35 W)
If we remember the first benchmark posted some months ago, about the 15" rMBP, the result showed us i i7 2.3ghz w/ 8gb ram, which was just the base model too.....
Considering that Apple usually sells two models and considering that i7 3520M is the highest clocked dual-core cpu available at the moment on the market, if these benchmark are referred to the base model, the only chance for apple to have a "top" model is to build it with a 3612QM, imho.
Damn.. then look at the Sony Vaio on this article:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Sony-Vaio-Z-2012.htm
...and look which CPU option it gives (section: Performance and Horsepower)!! If Sony does it, why not Apple too??
Bye
Andrea
I don't think it would be targeted at the 'general consumer' any more than the 15" is. I would love a machine with all the power of the 15" RMBP in a more compact form factor.
Of course the same components won't fit, at least not without turning it into an oven with no battery life, so they'll have to be scaled back a bit.
I'm picturing something that's more of a spiritual successor to the old 12" Powerbook.
The Air is the machine that Apple is targeting at general consumers. Doesn't mean that that there won't be overlap though.
Yeah, I definitely think that one of the low-TDP quad core CPUs would make sense for the top end model.
I don't see it, they would charge so close to the 15" price, would people pay that? The new ones are so light portability is not a huge deal
Do people believe it will be $400 less just because of the 2inch screen difference?
Do people believe it will be $400 less just because of the 2inch screen difference?
Some prices for comparison. All with 512 Flash Drive, 8GB RAM and AppleCare. No other BTO options. US store.
13" MBA $2,348.00
13" cMBP $2,645.00
15" cMBP $3,445.00
15" rMBP $3,148.00
I would expect the 13" to come in at roughly $2,500.00. You can see why Apple expects to see the 13" rMBP by the millions.
13" MBA $2,348.00
13" cMBP $2,645.00
15" cMBP $3,445.00
15" rMBP $3,148.00
I would expect the 13" to come in at roughly $2,500.00. You can see why Apple expects to see the 13" rMBP by the millions.
The current 13 mba is the same price as the 13 pro at £999 or $1199 as most people have said on this site there really isn't much difference in performance its mainly the form factor. Obvisouly the new rmbp wont have a dics drive either so this one of the major differences gone. Now looking behind for a sec they stopped the white macbook at $999 because they felt the 11 inch air was the new entry level laptop at $999 so looking ahead into 2013 the 13 inch air now takes the entry level mbp which means the 13 inch rmbp can go up in price because they still offer a $1199 laptop. The air will still remain non retina because it is seen as a consumer computer that replaces a non retina pro model until the day that integrated graphics can run a retina display. Basically for 2012 the product line is a bit of a mess with 3 13inch laptops. Its going to be a real shame to lose a affordable pro model but thats the way it goes.