13.5 – Location privacy broken

[jha]

On both my Pro and Air, apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security.

Can't edit location permissions now or see what apps have location access.

Anyone else seeing this?

 

[njvm]

@jha - yes you are correct - I can't see them on my Intel 2020 MBP either.

 

[chrfr]

On both my Pro and Air, apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security.

Can't edit location permissions now or see what apps have location access.

Anyone else seeing this?

I seem to have the same problem on 3 different Macs. No apps are listed, and if a new app tries to request location services, it doesn’t show in System Settings so it’s impossible to enable.
Bug filed with Apple as FB12739439.

 

[luckman212]

Same here. Really annoying. I wasted an hour on this before realizing it's just... broken

I filed a bugreport: FB12755442 (and referenced @chrfr 's FB12739439 as well)

 

[frenchcamp49er]

I haven’t updated yet so should I just wait it out?

 

[ThrowerGB]

On both my Pro and Air, apps no longer show up under Location Services under Privacy and Security.

Can't edit location permissions now or see what apps have location access.

Anyone else seeing this?

I see it on M1 Mac Studio. Good catch JHA. Thanks for letting us know.

 

[svenmany]

Adding myself to the list of those affected.

 

[bogdanw]

This is experimental:
- disable location services
- run in Terminal

tccutil reset Liverpool

- reboot and re-enable Location services

 

[frenchcamp49er]

This is experimental:
- disable location services
- run in Terminal

tccutil reset Liverpool

- reboot and re-enable Location services

Did this work for you?

 

[chrfr]

This is experimental:
- disable location services
- run in Terminal

tccutil reset Liverpool

- reboot and re-enable Location services

Liverpool is part of CloudKit, not likely to solve this, and if it does fully reset the location db, then people on 13.5 will likely lose location access on 3rd party apps which already have it.

 

[bogdanw]

Did this work for you?

I don’t use Location Services, I can only confirm that the command works in Ventura.

 

[pastoralbasement]

I updated to macOS 13.5 on both a MacBook Air (M2, 2022) and a MacBook Pro (2017). Like others have reported, both have lost the list of apps in "Location Services" of System Settings. These are before and after screenshots. (This is a courtesy observation only, as typically do have "Location Services" disabled on these two machines.)

The referenced mentioned terminal command "tccutil reset Liverpool", reboot, etc did not resolve the issue.

For comparison, Apple simultaneously released macOS 12.6.8. I installed that on a MacBook Pro (early 2015). The list of apps remains available within "Location Services" of System Preferences.

 

[bogdanw]

Liverpool is part of CloudKit, not likely to solve this, and if it does fully reset the location db, then people on 13.5 will likely lose location access on 3rd party apps which already have it.

"kTCCServiceLiverpool Location services access User-specific TCC database"
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sec...-could-lead-to-unauthorized-user-data-access/
Too bad Apple didn't properly explain how to reset Location on macOS https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1906/_index.html

 

[luckman212]

tccutil reset Liverpool

does not fix this, I tried that already.

 

[FrakeTrain]

Question for all crawled on by this bug. Are you still able to see the location toggles for the System Services through the Details button?

 

[luckman212]

Are you still able to see the location toggles for the System Services through the Details button?

yes...

 

[FrakeTrain]

Thx for the screenshot luckman212.

Anyone NOT seeing this bug? Intel or AS?

 

[jha]

Picked up a new M2 Pro yesterday and can't enable location on chrome since it takes you to settings instead of the Yes/No prompt. Very annoying.

 

[Matty_TypeR]

A major bug this, surprised Apple didn't spot this before release. hopefully fixed soon.

 

[luckman212]

surprised Apple didn't spot this before release

Not surprised. Tim Cook hates macOS. Why should he lift a finger when Macs only bring in $8.2 Billion a quarter (7% of $117.2B). I wouldn't even get out of bed for less than $10B.

 

[generdude]

Location Services apps are missing on my 2019 iMac after the update. Add this to the increase in space that Steve needs to roll over in his grave. I've had macs since the eighties. I will always stay with Apple but I no longer immediately recommend it to anybody anymore. I let them choose between the lesser of the evils.

 

[jha]

What’s the best way to download the full installer for the last version until this is fixed? Is there a link directly from Apple?

 

[luckman212]

I'd recommend Mist as the best tool to download installers. But is it even possible to roll back to 13.4.1?

 

[jha]

I'd recommend Mist as the best tool to download installers. But is it even possible to roll back to 13.4.1?

They don’t stop signing for a few days correct? I was just going to do a clean install 13.4.1

 

[bogdanw]

With SIP disabled, apps can be granted permission from Terminal.
Example for Chrome

sudo sqlite3 ~/Library/Application\ Support/com.apple.TCC/TCC.db "insert into access values('kTCCServiceLiverpool','com.google.Chrome',0,2,4,1,NULL,NULL,0,'UNUSED',NULL,0,1649347271);"

macOS Ventura installers https://mrmacintosh.com/macos-ventura-13-full-installer-database-download-directly-from-apple/