And then Apple announced the Mac Studio and we had the “pickup truck” again.
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13-Inch MacBook Pro With M2 Chip Outperforms Base Model Mac Pro Despite Costing Nearly $5,000 Less
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I mean, a 12700 can outbench the base Xeon in the Mac Pro.
In fact it’s common for intels consumer chips to match or outbench their workstation/server chips in the same gen.
Why is it so surprising that a consumer grade cpu out benchmarks a low-end workstation grade one when it’s been common for years?
In fact it’s common for intels consumer chips to match or outbench their workstation/server chips in the same gen.
Why is it so surprising that a consumer grade cpu out benchmarks a low-end workstation grade one when it’s been common for years?
For now.
Consider the M2 Ultra will be available with 192GB of ram and I expect much bigger improvements with M3.
I totally expect an M3 Ultra in spring 2024 with something like 512GB of ram.
I'm not sure much more ram than that is needed other than some very specific cases.
Given the 3 month wait time for CTO versions it might be prudent to hold off for the M2 Max and M2 Ultra versions of the Mac Studio.
Wut. Man, that Mac Pro looks like a terrible, terrible deal three years later
More like they copied ARM, as ARM used the big.LITTLE architecture before apple.
Also Intel is doing fine, they just need a decent manufacturing process.
Only this is not the Mac Pro of yesteryear but the most current model that is still on sale right now. A different situation all together.
It wasn't a joke to you guys when it was released a few years ago. When people pointed out how insanely overpriced the thing was, a lot of you here at MacRumors were complaining about the criticism and trying to justify that it's a 'Pro' machine for 'Pro' users.
Yeah, their Ryzen 6000 series APU's almost matches Apple's ARM CPU in efficiency in multi-core workloads. And that with an inferior node.What are you talking about? AMD has had class leading perf/W since at least 2019 if not a little earlier
AMD Ryzen 7 6800U Efficiency Review - Zen3+ beats Intel Alder Lake
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Apple held back on the M1 to not cheese off the Mac Pro crowd.
Now that crowd's in the way of progress.
Now that crowd's in the way of progress.
It really is incredible what they’re doing with Apple Silicon.
Need new socket for the new generation XEON processors, which requires a new logic board. Doubt Apple has any interest in publicly releasing that when the AS transition is almost entirely complete. Would not be shocked if there were a few red boards designed inside their labs that work with newest Intel CPU's inside a MacPro7,1 chassis even if they are just to benchmark and test against AS.
Except it's not that simple this time around....
For a long time, any of the Mac "Pro" class towers really gave you something for the investment. When they'd start claiming the new laptops outperformed them, it was only in a qualified sense. (EG. Single-threaded tasks were faster on the new laptop, but the Mac Pro tower still did better on multi-threaded tasks efficiently using all the CPU cores.) Or potentially, the towers had advantages on disk I/O speeds because of the ability to configure multiple drives into RAID arrays on them. Often, the GPUs in them were better in real-world performance since they weren't just lower-wattage notebook-class editions.
The complaint here is that people just recently paid SO much more for a new Mac Pro tower and then paid again for things like that premium-priced display and stand to pair with it (or those wheels!) And I just don't see many of them finding ways to cost-justify the expenditures when they don't have at least a 3 year or so window where it outperforms other options in at least 1 or 2 meaningful ways.
“Apple’s M1 Pro is a very efficient chip, especially in single-core scenarios. We can only observe a CPU package consumption of just 7W and around 4W for the active core, which means Apple has a noticeable advantage (2.4x) compared to AMD’s Zen3+ chip. Apple is still ahead in this category and the M1 chip is almost two years old.”Yeah, their Ryzen 6000 series APU's almost matches Apple's ARM CPU in efficiency in multi-core workloads. And that with an inferior node.
AMD Ryzen 7 6800U Efficiency Review - Zen3+ beats Intel Alder Lake
We had to wait quite a while but we finally got our hands on AMD’s latest mobile processors from the Ryzen 6000U generation. We compare the Zen3+ cores of the new Ryzen 7 6800U with Intel’s current Alder Lake-P platform as well as Apple’s M1 Pro SoCs. Who builds the best chip for compact laptops?www.notebookcheck.net
Try reading the article before using it as a source next time.
Phew, at least I can rest easy that my 14" MBP still beats it. And the screen is really the main thing.
I just don't understand why still with the touch bar. Did they have a bunch laying around they need to use up?
The writing is on the wall for it, I can't imagine many developers take it into account, since I would think most developers don't have a Mac with it, and wouldn't buy one just for testing.
I just don't understand why still with the touch bar. Did they have a bunch laying around they need to use up?
The writing is on the wall for it, I can't imagine many developers take it into account, since I would think most developers don't have a Mac with it, and wouldn't buy one just for testing.
I don't have links or evidence, but I have heard that the error checking hardware is built into the M1, so it kind of does. The Mac Pro doesn't have the unified memory of the M1 series.
Just remember what Bill Gates is famous for saying... "640K ought to be enough for anybody". So, never put a ceiling on memory use or need. The future is ALWAYS calling.
However, I'm sure if everyone coded in Assembly Language (like back in the 80's)... RAM requirements and processor requirements would be a lot lower. I mean, realistically, how much space RAM/disk SHOULD macOS Monterey take up, if coded in 100% pure Assembly Language? What generation of processor could macOS Monterey run on, if coded that way?
Repeat along with the rest of the class, "not everyone has the same use case as my use case". You want to own one because it's cool, but you consider it no longer cool. Some people have them in order to get specific work done.
If you've got a shop that's using these for professional use (video production work or some such), some likely running software that won't currently run on Apple Silicon. If one of their machines breaks, or they need to add a couple more editing bays, your proposal would leave them, what, scrambling around on some used equipment market to get the machines they need? Even if the software works on AS, if you're supporting 20 Mac Pros, and then have to pull in a few Apple Silicon machines because the Mac Pro is no longer available (because Apple followed Spaceboi's advice), then some of your support work has doubled.
I have to disagree. I think this IS one of those rare Apple-to-Apple comparisons.