I should read their reviews more often. Barefeats did some tests on the mercury engine. The 6770m was impressive. I think it would make for nicer balance in design having a usable gpu and better battery life on the Air.
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13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Coming in October?
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I should read their reviews more often. Barefeats did some tests on the mercury engine. The 6770m was impressive. I think it would make for nicer balance in design having a usable gpu and better battery life on the Air.
I don't get it. Which suits your needs more? An Air or a MBP?
If you were willing to settle on an Air, I can't see why you'd need a Pro.
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Been waiting for the last 6 months for a new 13". The 15" MBP Retina blows me away, but I don't have $2200 to drop, nor want a 15" laptop.
I was planning on buying the new 13" MBP sometime this month and be satisfied, albeit a little disappointed.
Now with this news, I KNOW I will kick myself if the 13" MBPR comes out within the next few months, especially at a ~1600 price point, which I am willing to spend.
Not sure if I can get my used and totally abused 2007 Blackbook to last through the summer, but I might have to try.
Sigh.why do you mess with me so?
mate by this time when 13" retina comes out, there will be solid info on haswell macbook pros
My main selling point is when will apple release laptops with wifi AC http://www.5gwifi.org/advantages-of-80211ac.php this is the future for years to come ...
Subjective, but I agree. With the MBPR out of my price range, and unrealistic for my needs, I've been considering the 13 MBP. It lacks the sharper screen of the Air and is a lb heavier, but offers more flexibility as an all around machine, while being more portable than the 15". The HD can be upgraded with an SSD when prices drop. The only drawback is the resolution, which could be better.
A retina 13" would be significantly more expensive, and without the flexibility. It would sell well, sure. Right now, I like having a standard Ethernet port, and an internal optical is nice for the occasions when I need one. In another two years that necessity will likely end.
I'm not sure why the updated standard pros did not get a graphics or display resolution bump.
I think it is because they are only stopgaps until they can bring down the price of the Retina model.
They did get a graphics bump.
Now MBP 15" GT 650M ( a 2012 GPU)
Before MBP 15" AMD 6750M / 6770M ( a 2011 GPU )
Those GPUs do not have equivalent performance.
------------ pixel (GP/s) : texture (GT/s) : bandwidth (GB/s)
6770M ____ 5.8 : 17.4 : 57.6
GT 650M __ 13 : 26 : 64
There is no MBP 15" without a discrete GPU now. The 'gimped' aspect to the slower speeds CPU model is that it is a bit lite on memory; only 512MB. The top end has the same GPU and VRAM as what is driving the "Retina" model.
Nevermind, that the major difference between Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge is the improvements that came with the HD 4000. For one the HD 4000 can do OpenCL. The HD 3000 can't. So even the MBP 13" got a bump here.
As for screen resolutions.... the MBP 15 hiDPI difference is a major difference. Even within the same form factor it appears you can get the "hi res" (not really relative to the hiDPI model) models on the lower level MBP 15" with the slower CPU now. As matte+'hires' on the slower CPU. If I recall correctly that is a CTO option for that level. So again a change.
The MBP 13" screen is the same likely because it is easier and more straightforward to double it than the MBA 13" screen. As I said it isn't a forgone conclusion that the MBA 13" is going to be continued here. It could be on the chopping block and Apple needs something doubled from the MBP 13" to continue forward as the alternative for much higher resolution.
The 'hi res' displays of the MBA 11" and 13" are joke. Primarily because Mac OS X doesn't have resolution independent graphics. All they do is make the text and objects on the screen smaller. Smaller is not necessarily better or good resolution. Better resolution is what the "retina" mode does. The 'hi res' 13" screen really doesn't have enough more to really make a substantive difference. It is somewhat better, but not significantly better.
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But it isn't really a differentiating aspect between MBP 13" and MBA 13" anymore. More than likely the mainstream external drive is connected by USB 3.0 than by Ethernet (e.g., Time capsule) or FW 800 ( again a dongle or docking station evens the playing field. )
Yes there were more differences before but at the juncture going forward of which one to toss .... it is where they are now that matters. If judged at where were before it is a done deal... Apple sold far, far, far more MBP 13" than MBA 13". It is only now that the price is even that there is perhaps some glimmer that the MBA 13" could even attempt to even the ratio.
Okay, I really have no idea. I just assumed that the complete redesign of the internals had something to do with the extra graphics muscle-power required for the retina display. The keynote strongly implies this. Do you mean to say that's not the case?
The HD4000 will be able to power the retina resolutions, switching to the discrete when serious GPU power is needed. Displaying Websites YouTube, HD movies will be find under the HD4000. Unless proven otherwise, there is a general perception that the HD4000 isn't capable for general usage, which it is!
The previous 15" Macbooks and the current non-retina one's have a discrete graphics card... Clearly the internal redesign was NOT for "extra graphics muscle-power" It was so Apple would make the laptop thinner, while increasing the battery size.
Now, I really hope this rumor turns true, I was most saddened when there wasn't a 13" Retina MPB.
I wonder if the MBA 13" will transform into this. It doesn't seem like the current form factor of the MBA 13" could support he larger battery that a Retina screen needs.
Yes, I say that's not the case. The redesign of the internals has to do with the redesign of the casing.
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More likely this is where the MacBook Pro line is headed, while the Air sticks around as the lower end line-up.
If anything, it's the old design MacBook Pros that are going away, not the Airs.
Agreed, and very welcomed. I have shed my tears for the 17", and hope for it's soon return, but in the end, a thinner MBP that has all of the same specs as the fatter one but with a more streamlined port layout thanks to TBolt is a no brainer.
Would've liked to see more USB 3.0 on the body, but overall that's how a computer needs to look. The 13" MBP will undoubtedly have a larger battery and a beefier processor over the MBA.
There is no freaking way Apple is going to maintain a product line with three different 13" laptops - all with confusing differences. Are they nuts?
Wasn't there a point in time where they had the white MacBook, the MacBook pro, and the MacBook air at the same time. All 3 were 13" screens
hmmm and one got discontinued shortly after they got rid of their left over supplied right?
Im well aware of the white macbook being cut off, but the fact is they had it for a few years before letting it go.
So i dont find it that they wont necessarily "not" make another 13" form.
No need for the think hard portion of that comment
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Yes, but it took about 2 years to completely phase out the white unibody MacBooks. So it saying it will disappear immediately might be an overstatement. I don't find 2 years to be such a short time frame, but then again we all have different perspectives.
Most of Ultrabooks I've seen use the low voltage dualcore i5, and sometimes slower i3 chips. The good thing about the new MBP is that it retains the more powerful (and hotter running) higher voltage quadcore chip in a relatively thin body and a decent battery life. But man they had to throw in a ton of battery to get that 7 hour battery life with the juice-sucking Retina screen there.
Good point. Just like that time, this looks like another product line up transition period for Apple.
This would be really great. I'm just hoping they will be priced reasonably... "reasonably" by Apple standards, at least, especially since I'm kind of assuming they will replace the normal MBP 13 with these... but maybe not...? We'll have to see the desktop upgrades first as well... in July I'm hoping?
I would think it would be a year or so before they think about phasing out the MBP non retinas. The prices of the retinas so far would kill their MBP sales if they had phased out the normal 15"
They took out the 17" because of lack of sales, but replaced it with something around the same price ...