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Less reparability because of glue instead of screws, crammed components, and awkward placing? Sure. But proprietary screws? No. That's clearly an attempt at preventing other people from trying to fix it.

True, but I bet the necessary screwdrivers are being made in China right now and should be on eBay for $1 soon.
 
And RAM and processor can be upgraded very easily in exactly the same way by using eBay, as I said. If you can't figure out yourself how it is done, I can surely explain it to you.

You might need to explain what you mean by "using eBay" because apparently there are several individuals on this forum that don't understand that processor and RAM upgrades are now done by "upgrading" your entire machine to a more capable model.

(Hint to others: Gnasher is saying that in order to upgrade you need to sell your old machine and buy a new one that fits your needs. One method of doing this is through eBay.)
 
And RAM and processor can be upgraded very easily in exactly the same way by using eBay, as I said. If you can't figure out yourself how it is done, I can surely explain it to you.

And how is that? By selling the Macbook and buying a new one? If so that's just circumventing the problem, it will be more expensive and you run the posibility of getting a computer in worse shape cosmetically then your own one.
 
Funny you should say that. At first I wrote '200% more' and then I thought… hang on, it's 200% as repairable, making it 100% more repairable. Now it's up to the marketing guys to work out which one sounds better! ;)

Edit: As soon as I posted the above, I notice you removed your comment about it being 200%. I guess you came to the same realisation? :D

I was just going to comment and say that 100% times 1 still = 1. But then I read this and all my grade school came back to me. :D
 
And how is that? By selling the Macbook and buying a new one? If so that's just circumventing the problem, it will be more expensive and you run the posibility of getting a computer in worse shape cosmetically then your own one.

You are correct, though I doubt that a new computer would be in worse shape cosmetically than the one you sold.
 
What machines are you comparing here?

The base 13" Air is $1199, which is all flash storage. The base 13" MBP is also $1199. It does not have an SSD.

The base Retina 13" MBP is $1699.

So if you're comparing the 13" Air to the 13" Retina, I guess all you're getting is 8GB vs 4GB RAM, faster CPU (2.5 vs 1.8) and a technically higher resolution screen (even though you really can't access all the pixels).

Also don't forget that the air uses the ULV processor variants so you get less speed for any given clock frequency over regular processors. The HD4000 on the ULV processors run about 30% slower than on the regular voltage processors.
 
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I remember, as a young lad in the 80's, learning how to work on cars. What a magical time it was! Opening up the hood, tinkering, taking things out, putting things back....hours of endless entertainment. Looking at my 2-year old Bimmer now, there's no way in hell I'd attempt any of that. Cars have now become an appliance. Something goes wrong, you take it to the dealership. Too many electronics, on-board computers, etc.

With cars, people want something simple that gets them from A to B. No clutches and manual transmissions, special maintenance or procedures, just "plug n' play".

Computers are becoming the same thing. Those of us who still want to "tear it down" and build it back up or work on it ourselves are an ever-shrinking "enthusiast" minority.

Apple rightfully so ignores our needs, just like Honda, Toyota and pretty much every other bland car manufacturer that makes toasters on wheels.

Computers will continue getting thinner, harder to work on, and more specialized. You know - appliances.
 
That's not why I called what you said stupid. I called it stupid because you said "Apple wants you to throw away the rBMP". Don't post stupid things if you don't want them to be called stupid.

And RAM and processor can be upgraded very easily in exactly the same way by using eBay, as I said. If you can't figure out yourself how it is done, I can surely explain it to you.

How is ebay supposed to help upgrade the RAM, its soldered to the motherboard the only possible way to upgrade would be a whole new motherboard.:confused:
 
How is ebay supposed to help upgrade the RAM, its soldered to the motherboard the only possible way to upgrade would be a whole new motherboard.:confused:
I think he meant to say "Sell your old laptop on eBay and buy a new one." The resale value of Macs hold up fairly well over the first couple of years. The difference in price is probably much higher than a simple RAM upgrade, but you'll get better processors, bigger hard disks and what not.
 
I remember, as a young lad in the 80's, learning how to work on cars. What a magical time it was! Opening up the hood, tinkering, taking things out, putting things back....hours of endless entertainment. Looking at my 2-year old Bimmer now, there's no way in hell I'd attempt any of that. Cars have now become an appliance. Something goes wrong, you take it to the dealership. Too many electronics, on-board computers, etc.

With cars, people want something simple that gets them from A to B. No clutches and manual transmissions, special maintenance or procedures, just "plug n' play".

Computers are becoming the same thing. Those of us who still want to "tear it down" and build it back up or work on it ourselves are an ever-shrinking "enthusiast" minority.

Apple rightfully so ignores our needs, just like Honda, Toyota and pretty much every other bland car manufacturer that makes toasters on wheels.

Computers will continue getting thinner, harder to work on, and more specialized. You know - appliances.

It is not all Apple's fault, but the computer market has already divided into two parts, one is people continue to buy a factory-built computer, another one obviously is the market of custom PC.

Custom PC users will never buy a Mac or even PC laptops, and Mac buyers usually don't consider to open up their machine to change components. Thus it is simple, why PC makers still needs to consider a user-upgradable machine while PC buyers could build a custom PC right away if they wish to upgrade their machine regularly?

Also we can't compare computers to cars, all cars have to be sold to you completely built up and serviceable because they needs to be certified for road-worthiness, while your computer don't need certification from your government, there's no need to consider all "user-upgrability" in laptops or All-in-one.
 
You realise how stupid that is what you are saying?

RAM updates are now done exactly the same way as processor upgrades were always done: Via eBay.

"You realise how stupid that is what you are saying?" EBay hasn't "always" existed.
 
How is ebay supposed to help upgrade the RAM, its soldered to the motherboard the only possible way to upgrade would be a whole new motherboard.:confused:

1. You pick the computer with everything you want from the Apple Store.
2. You put your old computer on eBay.
3. You take the money you get to pay for most of the new computer.

People have been doing that for many years. And the majority of people never upgrade anything, not the memory, not the hard drive, nothing.


And how is that? By selling the Macbook and buying a new one? If so that's just circumventing the problem,

You need to work on your problem solving skills. You identified the problem as "I can't upgrade the RAM", when the real problem is "I have a computer that doesn't have enough RAM". Selling on eBay and buying a new one solves the _real_ problem, not your imagined problem.


Like how you are calling someone stupid ... whereas your own claim makes absolutely no sense.

Made sense to a lot of people. It was actually totally obvious to many people. Not to you and your friends who rated you up, obviously. And so far I didn't call any person stupid, but I said that they wrote stupid things.


So this makes my 13" cMBP obsolete?
No.

How will this effect the resale value of my 13" cmbp?
Not at all.


"You realise how stupid that is what you are saying?" EBay hasn't "always" existed.

eBay hasn't always existed, but it surely has "always" existed. Yes, there were times where you had to carry your Mac to a market, 20 miles away through a snow storm, uphill both ways, ...
 
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Also don't forget that the air uses the ULV processor variants so you get less speed for any given clock frequency over regular processors. The HD4000 on the ULV processors run about 30% slower than on the regular voltage processors.

Yes, but it's still crappy IGPU any way you slice it. But then, I guess Apple assumes (probably correctly for the most part) if you want something in the 13" range that's extremely thin and light, you're not looking for a graphics powerhouse.

Although, assuming that's the case, I'm not sure why you'd choose Retina vs. 13" Air, except for the pretty screen. With what you can configure in terms of CPU/RAM for either model, I'm not sure the Retina will give you THAT much more horsepower for anything truly "Pro".

I have an 11" Air, which I love. But I've never had a problem with the "old" 13" MBP form factor. In fact, I liked it a lot. Just small/light enough, but could throw in a huge/fast SSD and 16GB RAM. My complaints were the crappy GPU and even crappier resolution. I'm fairly certain they could have fit a discrete GPU in there. And I'm positive they could have put a higher resolution LCD (seeing as how, they already sell a 13" laptop with a higher resolution screen).

I don't care whether it's "retina" by their definition. Put a discrete GPU and 1680x1050 LCD in the current 13" form factor, and it's instant buy.
 
It is not all Apple's fault, but the computer market has already divided into two parts, one is people continue to buy a factory-built computer, another one obviously is the market of custom PC.

Custom PC users will never buy a Mac or even PC laptops, and Mac buyers usually don't consider to open up their machine to change components. Thus it is simple, why PC makers still needs to consider a user-upgradable machine while PC buyers could build a custom PC right away if they wish to upgrade their machine regularly?

I'm a bit of a hybrid. My university buys me Macs. but I like to build computers as a hobby. I usually build four or five machines a year for family and friends. But I love OS X, so I have a Hackintosh that I can play with by adding/swapping drives, updating graphics and O.C.ing. But I'm not about to open up my iMac or MBA.
 
I wonder how de EU will react on the fact you cannot remove the battery yourself, according to EU directives this should be the case on all electronics.

Who cares what the EU has to say.
Their "directives" and "laws" have been crippling/stifling innovation for far too long.
 
So we all know the English guy heads Apple's design team and makes things that look all shiny. But who actually designs the innards and makes it all fit together in the way it does? That's quite an impressive bit of design.
 
Does iFixit ever take apart computers other than Macs? It seems like their obsessed with Apple.

They sure do. They cover repairs for Mac, PC, as well as cameras, homes, cars, game consoles, etc.

Re: obsession... I liken it to the obsession some have with [say] BMW. What BMW is doing regarding engineering, innovation, build quality, etc. is probably a little more discussion worthy than [say] Honda. And I say that as a proud Honda owner. :D
 
So now there's no more disc drives... Etc and they're lookin thin'n'fit...

Why exactly would one buy a MacBook Air over a MacBook Pro 13 inch???

Is there a difference anymore?
About 700 dollars...
 
They sure do. They cover repairs for Mac, PC, as well as cameras, homes, cars, game consoles, etc.

Re: obsession... I liken it to the obsession some have with [say] BMW. What BMW is doing regarding engineering, innovation, build quality, etc. is probably a little more discussion worthy than [say] Honda. And I say that as a proud Honda owner. :D

Yeah, as near as I can tell they try to tear apart just about anything with a circuit board. The 'obsession' you seem comes from the fact that, in general, only their Mac tear down articles are ever talked about anywhere *but* iFixIt. That, ironically, has virtually nothing to do with iFixIt, and almost everything to do with the fact that the media knows that *mentioning* Apple will bring them eyeballs, and the associated clicks and ad views.
 
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