14" vs 16" MacBook Pro

[Serban55]

I wouldn’t hold my breath. The M1 13” MBP weighs merely 0.1 lbs less than the Intel version due to less heat sink material.

That because the m1 was just a SoC swap
The design and keyboard and anything else was the same
Here we are talking about something new
I expect the 14” to have similar weight to the 13” mbp and the 16” to be a little lighter than the former intel 16”

 

[JPack]

That because the m1 was just a SoC swap
The design and keyboard and anything else was the same
Here we are talking about something new
I expect the 14” to have similar weight to the 13” mbp and the 16” to be a little lighter than the former intel 16”

The vast majority of the weight comes from the chassis material, display (glass), and battery. We know the battery capacity is 19% higher on the 14” which suggests it will weigh more than the 13”. The 16” will probably weigh nearly the same given the battery capacity is only 1% less.

 

[Serban55]

The vast majority of the weight comes from the chassis material, display (glass), and battery. We know the battery capacity is 19% higher on the 14” which suggests it will weigh more than the 13”. The 16” will probably weigh nearly the same given the battery capacity is only 1% less.

You have to remember that the 16” has a dgpu and cpu and the next 16” will have both on SoC that will save weight for sure
And thats just from that, if apple wants they can lower the battery capacity, i hope not. There were rumors about battery capacity?

 

[JPack]

You have to remember that the 16” has a dgpu and cpu and the next 16” will have both on SoC that will save weight for sure
And thats just from that, if apple wants they can lower the battery capacity, i hope not. There were rumors about battery capacity?

Silicon weighs nearly nothing. The heat sink material associated with less silicon is also negligible. Battery capacities were revealed by regulators several months ago.

 

[smoking monkey]

For some reason I expect both the 14” and 16” MBP redesigns will be a lot lighter as you don’t need to deal with the usual Intel + discrete GPU heat issues with Apple Silicon SoC as much. I think some are in for a shock.

I read here or a rumor (it has all blurred together at this point) that the 16 is going to be both thicker and heavier. I also hope it's lighter and thinner, but who knows.

 

[Serban55]

Silicon weighs nearly nothing. The heat sink material associated with less silicon is also negligible. Battery capacities were revealed by regulators several months ago.

an amd dgpu weight a lot...but we will see in almost 4 days...the 16" will weight less than the current one since the battery cannot be increased more than the current one and the SoC cannot weight more than the Intel one
So, basicaly its physics, of course..if Apple do not ship air in it, if they dont make it thicker and wider ..but knowin apple , they will not
Also i expect smaller vents also inside. I can bet on the weight reduction on the 16"
Will the 16" battery still be Built‑in 100‑watt‑hour lithium‑polymer battery ?

 

[Serban55]

I read here or a rumor (it has all blurred together at this point) that the 16 is going to be both thicker and heavier. I also hope it's lighter and thinner, but who knows.

whats the point...its a false rumor i think...the battery capacity cannot be higher than the current one. The vents should not be bigger, the bezels will not be thicker, the mini_led oxide display is lighter than the current one, no more dgpu buses etc. So again, expect the 16" to be lighter, the 14" to be the same as the 13" or maybe a little bit heavier but not by much

 

[richinaus]

I am tempted to order both on the day and run them through their paces and see which meets my needs.

Over the last few years I have realized i have to have a desktop computer as no laptop can replace it. So really a lighter more portable solution is preferable and all the heavy lifting done at the desk. However a strong GPU is really great for the times I am with a client and want to show a real time walkthrough / am away from the desk more than a day….. if they make both computers with the same spec it will be the 14”, however if they make the 16” much more capable then it will be a tough choice.

 

[richinaus]

whats the point...its a false rumor i think...the battery capacity cannot be higher than the current one. The vents should not be bigger, the bezels will not be thicker, the mini_led oxide display is lighter than the current one, no more dgpu buses etc. So again, expect the 16" to be lighter, the 14" to be the same as the 13" or maybe a little bit heavier but not by much

I am expecting thinner, lighter, more power. Apple will be taking this opportunity to really show what the M is. The launch was a taster.

This is why I am really looking forward to the release. However, as usual, I am also open to be disappointed [which used to happen a lot, until I realized I needed to temper my expectations].

 

[Serban55]

I am tempted to order both on the day and run them through their paces and see which meets my needs.

exactly...if the 14" will also get bto 32gpu SoC (poor chances but still) i will be doing the same thing

 

[ascender]

At a simple level, the move to a more efficient chipset should mean that Apple can get longer battery time out of a similar or smaller sized battery than is in the Intel machines. But we don't know exactly what that will look like physically until we get the machines/specs.

They have shown with recent iPhones that they aren't afraid to make devices thicker again to improve battery life, but I'm also thinking the new machines may be able to be slightly thinner/lighter and improve battery life. The 16" chassis is also much larger, so I wonder what they'll do with that space - battery? the better speakers? more ports?

 

[arvinsim]

I was already decided on the 14" until the rumor that both the 14" and 16" would be priced the same.

If that was true, that makes me undecided again.

 

[Fomalhaut]

For the reasons above (and I could be completely wrong) I do believe there will be a difference between the base model 14” and 16” in GPU performance. I see the base model 14” coming with a binned 12 (or 14) core GPU (M1X Jade C Chop) and the base 16” coming with a binned 24 core GPU (M1X Jade C Die).

Do you mean in addition to "unbinned" 16 and 32 core GPUs or instead of?

 

[deepblue09]

16" base model. I always had 15" or more screens and I won't downsize now. I dont care much for the extra power, as even the M1 is enough for my coding needs. But the screen real-estate and battery life are key for me.

PS: My secret wish, is that they provide many different CPU/GPU bin options so that I can increase/decrease the things I need or dont need.

 

[UltimateSyn]

an amd dgpu weight a lot...but we will see in almost 4 days...the 16" will weight less than the current one since the battery cannot be increased more than the current one and the SoC cannot weight more than the Intel one
So, basicaly its physics, of course..if Apple do not ship air in it, if they dont make it thicker and wider ..but knowin apple , they will not
Also i expect smaller vents also inside. I can bet on the weight reduction on the 16"
Will the 16" battery still be Built‑in 100‑watt‑hour lithium‑polymer battery ?

Don’t forget about the mini-LED backlight, which added weight to the 12.9” iPad Pro.

 

[Juuro]

I was already decided on the 14" until the rumor that both the 14" and 16" would be priced the same.

If that was true, that makes me undecided again.

That was not the rumor. The price difference is just expected to be less big. Means the price of the 16" is not so much higher that the 14" as the previous 16" compared to the 13".

Do you mean in addition to "unbinned" 16 and 32 core GPUs or instead of?

Of course in addition. They will not throw away the perfectly good versions of their chips. 🙂 He just talked about the base models.

 

[Subwaymac]

16” time to give the 2008 15” a long rest.

 

[terminator-jq]

Do you mean in addition to "unbinned" 16 and 32 core GPUs or instead of?

I mean the base models will come with binned chips (like the MacBook Air) and the mid range models will come with the “unbinned” fully active GPU cores (16 for the 14” and 32 for the 16”). Again just guessing, but it could look something like this:

Base 14” (replacing current $1799 model):
- $1799 ($1999) - M1X JadeC Chop with binned 12 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 14” (replacing current $1999 model):
- $1999 ($2199): M1X JadeC Chop with full 16 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 1tb ssd

——————————————————————

Base 16” (replacing current $2399 model):
- $2399 ($2599😡) - M1X JadeC Die with binned 24 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 16” (replacing current $2799 model):
- $2799 ($2999🤬): M1X JadeC Die with full 32 core GPU, 32gb RAM, 1tb ssd

Now that’s assuming what we’ve heard about the GPU is correct despite leaks being unreliable lately and despite no benchmarks. My main point is that a lot of tech YouTubers and blogs have talked about the 16 and 32 core GPU options like the 7 and 8 core options on the M1 which is misleading. On the M1 the 7 and 8 core is the SAME chip (7 core is just binned). For the M1X the 16 and 32 core versions are DIFFERENT chips so no doubt Apple will use binning for both. Which is why I think/hope there won’t be a 16 core version of the 16”.

 

[jterp7]

that delicious $3k number, achievement unlocked haha. There needs to be something to set it apart to justify that price imo. 120hz?

 

[Juuro]

I mean the base models will come with binned chips (like the MacBook Air) and the mid range models will come with the “unbinned” fully active GPU cores (16 for the 14” and 32 for the 16”). Again just guessing, but it could look something like this:

Base 14” (replacing current $1799 model):
- $1799 ($1999) - M1X JadeC Chop with binned 12 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 14” (replacing current $1999 model):
- $1999 ($2199): M1X JadeC Chop with full 16 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 1tb ssd

——————————————————————

Base 16” (replacing current $2399 model):
- $2399 ($2599😡) - M1X JadeC Die with binned 24 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 16” (replacing current $2799 model):
- $2799 ($2999🤬): M1X JadeC Die with full 32 core GPU, 32gb RAM, 1tb ssd

Now that’s assuming what we’ve heard about the GPU is correct despite leaks being unreliable lately and despite no benchmarks. My main point is that a lot of tech YouTubers and blogs have talked about the 16 and 32 core GPU options like the 7 and 8 core options on the M1 which is misleading. On the M1 the 7 and 8 core is the SAME chip (7 core is just binned). For the M1X the 16 and 32 core versions are DIFFERENT chips so no doubt Apple will use binning for both. Which is why I think/hope there won’t be a 16 core version of the 16”.

That lineup seems plausible. But if there are base and mid models. Where are the top models?

What happens with the current 13" M1 MacBook Pros? It starts at just 1299$. Do you think Apple will scrap that model, keep it in the lineup, or put the M1 in that new 14" design? Because I think they have to have something at that price point.

 

[arvinsim]

I think I will have to give pause if the 16" 32GB 1TB will cross the $3k threshold. That's a lot of dough!

 

[terminator-jq]

That lineup seems plausible. But if there are base and mid models. Where are the top models?

What happens with the current 13" M1 MacBook Pros? It starts at just 1299$. Do you think Apple will scrap that model, keep it in the lineup, or put the M1 in that new 14" design? Because I think they have to have something at that price point.

The "top" models would be the mid tier with built to order options just like they are now. So for the 16", it would be the $2799 model plus added options for extra RAM (if it goes to 64gb which it may not) and a bigger SSD. So full spec models will probably be pretty pricey if Apple continues their usual SSD upgrade prices.

I personally think the M1 13" will stick around for a little while longer until it gets replaced by an M2 model next year with the updated 14" chassis. Although its also possible as you said that Apple makes a new entry level 14" with the M1 inside. I think having a budget 14" MacBook Pro without the mini LED screen and with an M1 instead of the M1X would appeal to a lot of people. Especially if it keeps the extra ports. The M1 is already a fantastic chip for most task. The only real drawback is its GPU performance but having big GPU power isn't needed for everyone.

 

[azentropy]

Even if they were the same price (which they won't be) I'd choose the 14" over the 16" as I value the portability over screen real-estate. The 14" is already going to be larger than the 12" or 13" Mac laptops I've had over the past 25+ years.

Edit: make that closer to 30 years going back older and smaller. Made of list of my personal Mac Laptops I've personally owned (there were some work supplied ones that aren't on the list including a 520, 540c and a 5300c)...

9” Powerbook 100 1991/92
11.3” Powerbook 1400c 1996
10.4” PowerBook 2400c 1998
12” iBook G4 2003
13” Macbook 2006
13” MBP 2010
13” MBP 2012
13” MBP 2015
13” MBP 2020
13” MBA M1 2020

 

[Christopher Kim]

Base 14” (replacing current $1799 model):
- $1799 ($1999) - M1X JadeC Chop with binned 12 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 14” (replacing current $1999 model):
- $1999 ($2199): M1X JadeC Chop with full 16 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 1tb ssd

——————————————————————

Base 16” (replacing current $2399 model):
- $2399 ($2599😡) - M1X JadeC Die with binned 24 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 16” (replacing current $2799 model):
- $2799 ($2999🤬): M1X JadeC Die with full 32 core GPU, 32gb RAM, 1tb ssd

I personally think the M1 13" will stick around for a little while longer until it gets replaced by an M2 model next year with the updated 14" chassis. Although its also possible as you said that Apple makes a new entry level 14" with the M1 inside. I think having a budget 14" MacBook Pro without the mini LED screen and with an M1 instead of the M1X would appeal to a lot of people. Especially if it keeps the extra ports. The M1 is already a fantastic chip for most task. The only real drawback is its GPU performance but having big GPU power isn't needed for everyone.

I agree with the M1X MBPs, I think that's a very plausible lineup. I have a feeling it might be $1999, $2199, $2399, $2799 though (as rumors are the gap between 14" and 16" to be closing, which I think is more likely that the base 14" comes up and base 16" stays the same).

On the current M1 13", I agree, I think they'll keep it for now to fill that price point. And then sometime next year, I feel most likely outcome is see getting rid of it, and updating the Macbook Air with a new body / M2 chip / mini-LED / slightly higher-price point with various configs to fill the low-mid $1k's price point.

 

[UltimateSyn]

It's funny that the 16" is leading here because the 14" is leading in the pre-order poll. I'm still undecided.