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All other factors being equal, which size would you prefer?

  • 14" MacBook Pro

    Votes: 190 46.7%
  • 16" MacBook Pro

    Votes: 165 40.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 52 12.8%

  • Total voters
    407
I’ve programmed successfully for years on my 2017 13” MBP.

😀 I programmed a whole diploma thesis on an 11" MacBook Air back then.
Meanwhile, my private Mac is a 29" iMac so I know what it feels like to have a big screen. But for programming, I don't need a big screen.
Saying it's almost impossible to code in 14" was a bit too much 😅

I started my coding journey on smaller screens too, but since I swapped to 15+ inches it feels impossible for me to write code crouching on top of a 13-14" screen for more than 2 hours (let alone for my usual 6-10 hours). Using an IDE and multiple vertically split tabs may be a part of it too.

Everyone has different needs so It's good we have both choices I guess.
 
Are the ultrawide issues fixed for M1 Macbooks?
I was unaware of any ultrawide issues? I don't currently own one, just was going to order it.

Apple has spoiled me with Retina display. Ultrawides in native resolution look pixelated to me :(

I'm coming from a 27" iMac Pro (sold earlier this year), I've been using a M1 mini to hold me over until these new MBP's were released and using an old 27" 1440p Apple Thunderbolt Display so my eyes have gotten used to the pixels again.

My concern about a 4K display is the PPI issue. Apple's UI is designed for around 110ppi or 220ppi (retina), at 27" your ppi is around 163, so I'd have to go to the 5K LG but it's really expensive. I'd like to top out around $1000 for a good, color-accurate monitor.
 
I want a 16" but having difficulties justifying the price base on these assumptions:

If 14" is priced $1,799 (same as current 4 port intel 13") and 16" at $2,399 (same as current base model 16").

Previously the difference in pricing give the following advantage comparing base old 13" and 16":

1) better cpu (more cores less the intel 9th gen vs 10th gen).
2) better gpu (dedicated gpu 5300m).
3) bigger screen.
4) bigger battery.
5) better speakers.

And the new base 14" vs 16":

1) bigger screen.
2) bigger battery.
3) better speakers.

If rumors are true with pricing same as previous base. Isn't it more expensive now for the new 16" as we do not get better cpu and better gpu in the base model? Of course i know we can pay more to get upgrade gpu). My dream will be the base of the 16" comes with 32core gpu and no need for an upgrade for that then the price will be justifiable even though it is still less better cpu compared to previous. Ram and storage upgrade as usual need to pay more.
 
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I want a 16" but having difficulties justifying the price base on these assumptions:

If 14" is priced $1,799 (same as current 4 port intel 13") and 16" at $2,399 (same as current base model 16").

Previously the difference in pricing give the following advantage comparing base old 13" and 16":

1) better cpu (more cores less the intel 9th gen vs 10th gen).
2) better gpu (dedicated gpu 5300m).
3) bigger screen.
4) bigger battery.
5) better speakers.

And the new base 14" vs 16":

1) bigger screen.
2) bigger battery.
3) better speakers.

If rumors are true with pricing same as previous base. Isn't it more expensive now for the new 16" as we do not get better cpu and better gpu in the base model? Of course i know we can pay more to get upgrade gpu). My dream will be the base of the 16" comes with 32core gpu and no need for an upgrade for that then the price will be justifiable even though it is still less better cpu compared to previous. Ram and storage upgrade as usual need to pay more.
I expect the rumored 14-inch model to cost more than $1799. But, if Apple charges $1999 for it, how will it handle the gap in the pricing of its line-up with its current most expensive M1 model costing $1499?
 
I want a 16" but having difficulties justifying the price base on these assumptions:

If 14" is priced $1,799 (same as current 4 port intel 13") and 16" at $2,399 (same as current base model 16").

Previously the difference in pricing give the following advantage comparing base old 13" and 16":

1) better cpu (more cores less the intel 9th gen vs 10th gen).
2) better gpu (dedicated gpu 5300m).
3) bigger screen.
4) bigger battery.
5) better speakers.

And the new base 14" vs 16":

1) bigger screen.
2) bigger battery.
3) better speakers.

If rumors are true with pricing same as previous base. Isn't it more expensive now for the new 16" as we do not get better cpu and better gpu in the base model? Of course i know we can pay more to get upgrade gpu). My dream will be the base of the 16" comes with 32core gpu and no need for an upgrade for that then the price will be justifiable even though it is still less better cpu compared to previous. Ram and storage upgrade as usual need to pay more.
As I posted a couple pages back, the 16 core GPU and 32 core GPU are (2) different versions of the M1X. This means a few things:

1. Apple will most likely use chip binning for both M1X versions to increase manufacturing yields… especially with the chip shortage. (just as they did with the 7 core version of the M1 and just like they did with the 4 core version of the A15). This means we should see a 12 or 14 core binned version of the 16 core M1X and we should see a 24 or 28 binned version of the 32 core M1X. Perfect options for a base and mid their 14” and 16”.

2. The base model versions of the 14” and 16” will be the best sellers both online and in retail. If Apple put the 16 core GPU in both the 14” and 16” base models, they would be manufacturing a whole separate M1X version (plus the binned chips) for a much smaller fraction of customers. Doesn’t make much sense considering the silicon shortage and efficiency…

3. The 32 core version is also physically larger and will require more power draw and produce more heat. It would make sense to make this chip exclusive to the 16” since that model will have more internal space for heat management (larger fans and heat pipes) and a larger battery.

Just from those points, it would make a lot more sense to have a base 16” with a binned 24 core GPU and a base 14” with a binned 12 core. Here’s a couple more factors to consider about performance:

1. The 16” has a higher resolution screen. If both the 14” and the 16” use the same 16 core GPU, the 14” will actually have slightly better GPU performance… Doesn’t make sense.

2. A 16 core GPU is estimated to give somewhere near the performance of the current mid-tier ($2799) 2019 16”… which is nearly 2 years old. Meaning a base model M1X 16” won’t perform much better than a base model 2019 16”… Coming from the current $1799 13”, the 16 core would be awesome but for the 16”, it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. And we all know how much Apple loves their bar graphs showing performance increases.

One last point… The rumor that the 14” and 16” will have the same performance is coming from 1 source… That one source has been very vague about that comment. That one source has a 75% accuracy rating… for 16 rumors (compared to 88% accuracy for over 400 rumors for Mark Gurman). Also that one source was recently proved wrong about the Apple Watch and the launch of the Air Pods 3 (where he “confirmed” they would come with the iPhone 13 launch). So… we could be wrong about literally everything with these new macs but definitely don’t put too much faith any rumors or “leaks”.

My bets are the 14” and 16” will have the same performance CPU wise but the 16” will pull ahead in sustained performance and will definitely have an advantage in GPU. Of course I could be wrong.
 
I mean the base models will come with binned chips (like the MacBook Air) and the mid range models will come with the “unbinned” fully active GPU cores (16 for the 14” and 32 for the 16”). Again just guessing, but it could look something like this:

Base 14” (replacing current $1799 model):
- $1799 ($1999) - M1X JadeC Chop with binned 12 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 14” (replacing current $1999 model):
- $1999 ($2199): M1X JadeC Chop with full 16 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 1tb ssd

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Base 16” (replacing current $2399 model):
- $2399 ($2599😡) - M1X JadeC Die with binned 24 core GPU, 16gb RAM, 512 ssd

Mid 16” (replacing current $2799 model):
- $2799 ($2999🤬): M1X JadeC Die with full 32 core GPU, 32gb RAM, 1tb ssd

Now that’s assuming what we’ve heard about the GPU is correct despite leaks being unreliable lately and despite no benchmarks. My main point is that a lot of tech YouTubers and blogs have talked about the 16 and 32 core GPU options like the 7 and 8 core options on the M1 which is misleading. On the M1 the 7 and 8 core is the SAME chip (7 core is just binned). For the M1X the 16 and 32 core versions are DIFFERENT chips so no doubt Apple will use binning for both. Which is why I think/hope there won’t be a 16 core version of the 16”.
This sounds quite plausible to me. It will be interesting to see how good the yields are on the SoC. They might even offer something a bit weird like 14 cores (i.e. twice the 7-core "binned" version of the M1)
 
I want a 16" but having difficulties justifying the price base on these assumptions:

If 14" is priced $1,799 (same as current 4 port intel 13") and 16" at $2,399 (same as current base model 16").

Previously the difference in pricing give the following advantage comparing base old 13" and 16":

1) better cpu (more cores less the intel 9th gen vs 10th gen).
2) better gpu (dedicated gpu 5300m).
3) bigger screen.
4) bigger battery.
5) better speakers.

And the new base 14" vs 16":

1) bigger screen.
2) bigger battery.
3) better speakers.

If rumors are true with pricing same as previous base. Isn't it more expensive now for the new 16" as we do not get better cpu and better gpu in the base model? Of course i know we can pay more to get upgrade gpu). My dream will be the base of the 16" comes with 32core gpu and no need for an upgrade for that then the price will be justifiable even though it is still less better cpu compared to previous. Ram and storage upgrade as usual need to pay more.
remember that the rumors also said that the price difference between the base 14" and base 16" will be smaller than $600
 
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I think the users who like the 13/14" form factor will be very happy with the GPU performance coming out of these new models. We only used to get dGPUs on the 16" models, heck I only got the 16/15" models because of the dGPU but now that things are different I'm finally able to pick a smaller model to carry around.

Completely understand the reason behind people getting the 15/16" models, but for me it doesn't make sense since I'm full remote and I can always hook it up to external displays.
 
remember that the rumors also said that the price difference between the base 14" and base 16" will be smaller than $600
Geez, it would be wonderful if Apple kept the 14" at the same price as the previous 13" — at $1,799. Can you imagine if the 16" model gap comes down to $1,999 or $2,099? That would be amazing!
 
All other factors being equal, I prefer screen size over portability every day (except when I travel). So, I would go for the 16" MBP without hesitation.
 
Geez, it would be wonderful if Apple kept the 14" at the same price as the previous 13" — at $1,799. Can you imagine if the 16" model gap comes down to $1,999 or $2,099? That would be amazing!
yes, that i think the price starting for the 16" will be around $2099 because they dont need that $600 difference anymore, because in the past was a different class Cpu, with the 16" having also a dGpu from Amd and those things are gone now
 
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Geez, it would be wonderful if Apple kept the 14" at the same price as the previous 13" — at $1,799. Can you imagine if the 16" model gap comes down to $1,999 or $2,099? That would be amazing!
yes, that i think the price starting for the 16" will be around $2099 because they dont need that $600 difference anymore, because in the past was a different class Cpu, with the 16" having also a dGpu from Amd and those things are gone now
Anything's possible, but I think it's very unlikely. Much more likely is 16" stays at $2,499 and 14" comes up from $1,799 to $1,999. While Apple has held the line on price on the iPhone 13s most recently, if anything, we're in a more inflationary environment with chip shortages, supply chain snags, and shipping cost increases. Not trying to take the "Apple fanboy" side, but just being realistic, I think the 16" holding the line at $2,499 would already be a "win" given the current environment we're in.
 
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I think the users who like the 13/14" form factor will be very happy with the GPU performance coming out of these new models. We only used to get dGPUs on the 16" models, heck I only got the 16/15" models because of the dGPU but now that things are different I'm finally able to pick a smaller model to carry around.

Completely understand the reason behind people getting the 15/16" models, but for me it doesn't make sense since I'm full remote and I can always hook it up to external displays.
I love the 16" size. But if I can get the same performance in the 14" with a substantial price reduction, then I won't mind going for the 14".
 
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Anything's possible, but I think it's very unlikely. Much more likely is 16" stays at $2,499 and 14" comes up from $1,799 to $1,999. While Apple has held the line on price on the iPhone 13s most recently, if anything, we're in a more inflationary environment with chip shortages, supply chain snags, and shipping cost increases. Not trying to take the "Apple fanboy" side, but just being realistic, I think the 16" holding the line at $2,499 would already be a "win" given the current environment we're in.
yes of course, i was just talking about the difference between the devices that will be no longer $600
Of course Apple could raise the 14" price instead lower the 16"
But if they want to crush the industry for the best performer-structured /price laptop like they did with the M1...they want to keep the $1799 starting price
 
14 inch will be the perfect size, small enough to be portable - big enough to be a primary device with no external display.

I’ve used a 13 inch pro as my main device for the last 12 months after selling my iMac 27 which itself replaced a 15 inch pro. I don’t like being confined to a desktop, I don’t like running a desktop and laptop side by side, I don’t like using an external monitor and I don’t like transport bulky/heavy laptops.

The 13 with dock hiding on and windows filling the screen (not full screen mode - I need the menu bar) is big enough for me. The only downside for me is having to use a dongle for my SD cards and also having to wait a good 10 or so minutes when I import a load of RAW files for them to render so I can start scrubbing through them and editing them.

The new 14 could solve both of those but I will have to wait and see
 
I prefer the 16". I love the screen real estate, and I've never been felt like the my 15" MBP is unwieldy, too heavy, or cumbersome. To me, it's way better than being hunched over or squinting due to the screen being smaller, or not having as much space to have multiple windows open at once.
 
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I prefer the 16". I love the screen real estate, and I've never been felt like the my 15" MBP is unwieldy, too heavy, or cumbersome. To me, it's way better than being hunched over or squinting due to the screen being smaller, or not having as much space to have multiple windows open at once.
Have you felt a current-gen 16”, though? It’s heavier than your 15”
 
Have you felt a current-gen 16”, though? It’s heavier than your 15”
The current get 16" is just a hair smaller than the 2012-2015 15" MacBook Pro. I made this observation when I upgraded from my late 2013 15" MacBook Pro to the 2019 16" MacBook Pro. I took a photo of them at the time.

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If the trend holds, the new 14" might be similar to the 2012-2015 13". Who knows. If you find the 16" to be too unwieldy that's fine, you'll love the 14" either way. Different strokes for different folks.
 
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The current get 16" is just a hair smaller than the 2012-2015 15" MacBook Pro. I made this observation when I upgraded from my late 2013 15" MacBook Pro to the 2019 16" MacBook Pro. I took a photo of them at the time.

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If the trend holds, the new 14" might be similar to the 2012-2015 13". Who knows. If you find the 16" to be too unwieldy that's fine, you'll love the 14" either way. Different strokes for different folks.
Weight. I’m talking about weight, and how the 2019 16” MBP is heavier than his 2018 15” MBP. I hope they get back down to the 4lbs of the 2016-2018 models.
 
Weight. I’m talking about weight, and how the 2019 16” MBP is heavier than his 2018 15” MBP. I hope they get back down to the 4lbs of the 2016-2018 models.
Nah, adding back those function keys is gonna add at least a pound. If only they were brave.

but in all seriousness I agree. The difference between 4 and 5 pounds is huge after a daily commute in the back pack.
 
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I am in a doctoral program and will be writing lots of papers where I need to be able to have research articles and/or citation software up at the same time as my document. While I have a large second screen set up in my home office, it would be nice to be able to work in other places and not always be tied to my desk. I'm guessing I should get the 16"? What would you all recommend?
 
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I am in a doctoral program and will be writing lots of papers where I need to be able to have research articles and/or citation software up at the same time as my document. While I have a large second screen set up in my home office, it would be nice to be able to work in other places and not always be tied to my desk. I'm guessing I should get the 16"? What would you all recommend?
16" for sure if you want to have two docs side by side.

My work laptop at 13" is passable but for doc papers id prefer as large as possible
 
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