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AT&T will refund the charge. Just call them.

I had the same issue with my wife's 200mb plan. She unwittingly updated all her apps while at the doctors and went over the plan.

She had never done that before and I since told her to do that over WiFi in the future. I knocked her down from unlimited (regret now), since she rarely used 50MB.

The refunded the charge.

Now she is on a 4GB tether plan with her iPad...
 
I am sure the whole overage charging thing is completely automated. I can't see how people are calling AT&T such horrible names because a computer can't differentiate between 2MB and 20MB over.

The reason for the overage is probably because data doesn't update instantly, so when he got that 90% warning, he was probably already going on 100% usage.

Honestly, call AT&T up and explain what happened. They are extremely helpful, at least from my experience. I was able to get my bill lowered to $55/month from $85/month, so I am sure they'll happily drop the overage charge.
 
I don't see it as him trying to "stick it to the man" he was just trying to get all that he paid for. When you go out to eat and you have leftovers you take it home (well some people do), why? Because you already paid for it and don't want it going to waste.

The guy only "ate" half his meal and wanted the other half and At&t has a no take home policy.

Half his meal? He ate his whole meal and started to eat another... hence paying for another 20mb. Although ATT will end up refunding this, I don't see how anyone would think they, as a consumer, has a leg to stan on. He clearly went over his data and he was charged according to the contract.

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I disagree; unequal negotiation is precisely the problem.
So you would rather have every one of AT&T's customers negotiate their own contract term? Have you ever been involved with a contract negotiation? I've never heard of anyone wanting contract mark ups going back and forth between lawyers for a consumer service agreement? Funny

The $15 we're discussing might be negotiated out of it but your data plan will end up paying for their lawyers. That $15 month data now costs $125 per month if you could get the contract signed in 10 billable hours. On top of that, you would pay $300 per hour for your own attorney to negotiate this on your behalf.

Brilliant idea... Keep your day job and never run for public office
 
It sucks, I went 3MB over the 200MB plan on the 31st day of the billing cycle. I never got the 65% or 90% warning text either (I keep all AT&T texts so it's easy to go back and check.) If I had known I was about to go over I'd bump up to the 2GB plan temporarily. It would be nice if they had data rollover, that would be much more useful than rollover minutes in the smartphone era.
 
Half his meal? He ate his whole meal and started to eat another... hence paying for another 20mb. Although ATT will end up refunding this, I don't see how anyone would think they, as a consumer, has a leg to stan on. He clearly went over his data and he was charged according to the contract.

It's more like he ate his other half meal and grabbed at some pickles he thought were part of his sandwich but actually was not his.

But my point isn't even that... I was justifying his thought process not his mistake. He mistakenly went over while trying to get all he could out of his money spent.
 
I know it is so unfair, I don't feel like paying any of my bills either but I do.
You don't like their data packages or rates or contract you signed then switch instead of whining.
That's absurd logic, IMO. You might as well tell anyone who ever submitted a suggestion or complaint to apple.com/feedback that they should have switched to Android or Windows rather than offering their opinion.

You can agree to a contract because it's the best option available (or for some, the only provider that offers service near their home), not because you think the terms are fair. You don't sign away your right to complain. I find the OP's complaint valid. You questioned their claim that AT&T is "milking it," and I think that's a fair assessment given the circumstances.

What about responsibility of the consumer to stick to the commitment they make? Why is it AT&T's job to come up with a cheapest way to charge overages rather the the most simple. Everyone gets the same contract. If you don't like their terms, there are two other carriers that would love your business.
Disabling cellular data once AT&T sent the 90% text is commitment enough in my opinion.

The OP's father made a good-faith effort to honor his commitment, and fell victim to AT&T's silly pricing plan nonetheless.
 
That's absurd logic, IMO. You might as well tell anyone who ever submitted a suggestion or complaint to apple.com/feedback that they should have switched to Android or Windows rather than offering their opinion.

You can agree to a contract because it's the best option available (or for some, the only provider that offers service near their home), not because you think the terms are fair. You don't sign away your right to complain. I find the OP's complaint valid. You questioned their claim that AT&T is "milking it," and I think that's a fair assessment given the circumstances.


Disabling cellular data once AT&T sent the 90% text is commitment enough in my opinion.

The OP's father made a good-faith effort to honor his commitment, and fell victim to AT&T's silly pricing plan nonetheless.


Giving Apple feedback about their product and paying your wireless carrier for a valid charge that you agreed to or switching to android or other nonsense logic you brought up has nothing to do with each other. You can complain as much as you want and it won't make a difference. You don't like what they charge you do something about it.
 
really? people like him who used 200MB?

Cell phone companies are like drug dealers. First they get u hooked on unlimited data (if you notice in the beginning everybody had it and forced it on to you). Then after everybody is hooked on it, they take it away and charge u. That actually brings up another good point. Why is it that if u are getting a smartphone you must sign up for data plan? what happens if i want to use wifi? My dad would love to get a smartphone but verizon doesn't let him without charging him $30 a month for the privilege even though he has wifi at work and at home.

This type of treatment of customers is the reason why i'm on sprint. I have unlimited data for now and even though I don't use it most of the time its nice to not have to worry if I will go over if i need to use it.

derp derp

im talkin about his reasoning... "i should use all of what i paid for"
that is why companies set caps... because people abuse the system when its unlimited
 
Giving Apple feedback about their product and paying your wireless carrier for a valid charge that you agreed to or switching to android or other nonsense logic you brought up has nothing to do with each other. You can complain as much as you want and it won't make a difference. You don't like what they charge you do something about it.
I never said they were related; I said they both rely on the same flaw in logic.

The charge is valid; no one is disputing that. But is it fair? I don't think it is. Charging someone $15 for 2MB may be permitted by the contract, but that doesn't mean AT&T isn't "milking it."

Complaining doesn't make a difference? :confused: It does. It absolutely does. Customer satisfaction is important if AT&T wants to retain their customers (and I know they do).

An attitude like yours only encourages large corporations to squeeze their customers dry; it doesn't encourage progression, it encourages stagnation.
 
I don't understand why people think it is outrageous to have to pay for a service that they used and agreed to pay for. AT&T probably sends out their usage emails at a set time during the day from a report that was generated earlier in the day. By the time he got the 90% email he was more than likely already over his data limit. He new that he had a 200MB limit. It sounds like he should be on the 2GB plan so that he wouldn't have to worry about things like this.

The problem is the fact that AT&T knows precisely how much data each user uses when they use it. If you don't believe it then just buy a prepaid phone and watch as you are cut off right at your limit of what you paid for.

They intentionally delay reports by a day in order to cause situations like this.
 
A contract is a contract and the law is the law. It would suck to get a ticket for doing 2MPH over the speed limit but the police have every right to issue a ticket for violating the speed limit.

My favorite part about forums is that there is no shortage of people who are convinced they know what the law is based on what they believe rather than on some real basis.

If you are ticketed for going 65.65mph in a 65 zone, that ticket would almost always be thrown out of court because it's within the margin of error. In fact, most jurisdictions use a +/- 5 rule to ensure that a reasonable person who is trying to be diligent doesn't get caught up in the arrogant self riotousness that many armchair quarterbacks relish in.



A $15 charge for a 2MB overage is simply obscene. Those 2MB cost 50% more than 1.8 additional GBs would have. Those 2MB cost 10,000% more than the first 200MB did. Those 2MB represent the type of entrapment ATT is hoping will happen often enough for them to improve their profit margin. The fact that it's in the contract tells us nothing more than that this was an intended result from the outset.
 
My favorite part about forums is that there is no shortage of people who are convinced they know what the law is based on what they believe rather than on some real basis.

If you are ticketed for going 65.65mph in a 65 zone, that ticket would almost always be thrown out of court because it's within the margin of error. In fact, most jurisdictions use a +/- 5 rule to ensure that a reasonable person who is trying to be diligent doesn't get caught up in the arrogant self riotousness that many armchair quarterbacks relish in.



A $15 charge for a 2MB overage is simply obscene. Those 2MB cost 50% more than 1.8 additional GBs would have. Those 2MB cost 10,000% more than the first 200MB did. Those 2MB represent the type of entrapment ATT is hoping will happen often enough for them to improve their profit margin. The fact that it's in the contract tells us nothing more than that this was an intended result from the outset.

It may be obscene to you but if its unacceptable, don't sign the contract. Or here's a thought, if you are like the other millions of users, stay within the plan you choose and never have to have this problem! It's laughable to me that AT&T is the bad guy here.

If you have $50 in your checking account and write a check for $51, what happens? The bank charges you $35 for the overdraft if it's paid or $35 for the NSF. With an NSF, you also get charged by whomever you wrote the check too. Is that the banks fault? The same with credit cards and their credit limits. You go over and you will get penalized. That's the agreement we all make if we want to do business with these companies. If you don't like it, change companies. Nobody is forcing you to have a phone, let alone and iPhone.
 
I never said they were related; I said they both rely on the same flaw in logic.

The charge is valid; no one is disputing that. But is it fair? I don't think it is. Charging someone $15 for 2MB may be permitted by the contract, but that doesn't mean AT&T isn't "milking it."

Complaining doesn't make a difference? :confused: It does. It absolutely does. Customer satisfaction is important if AT&T wants to retain their customers (and I know they do).

An attitude like yours only encourages large corporations to squeeze their customers dry; it doesn't encourage progression, it encourages stagnation.

Wow, a Moderator with that kind of common sense. :)
Lots of things big corporations charge or do is not "typically" fair to some. Is it fair to charge an arm and a leg for texts that costs carriers almost nothing? Charging both incoming and outgoing calls where in Europe and most of the world only the caller gets charged for the call not the person receiving and many other charges Verizon, AT&T and most US carrier charge for.
Would it be fair to charge him per KB after he went over his data plan? That would cost way more. No, the rules that he agreed to are those. That's what he and all customers agree to when entering into a contract. Wether they understand how it works, how much or if they feel is fair is irrelevant.
Agree to something and complain after makes sense to you? What does that have to do with Customer satisfaction?
An attitude like mine is just the reality point of view but not many have it nowadays I see.
Im done responding to this thread, seems like my IQ drops each time I have to explain common sense to people.

It may be obscene to you but if its unacceptable, don't sign the contract. Or here's a thought, if you are like the other millions of users, stay within the plan you choose and never have to have this problem! It's laughable to me that AT&T is the bad guy here.

If you have $50 in your checking account and write a check for $51, what happens? The bank charges you $35 for the overdraft if it's paid or $35 for the NSF. With an NSF, you also get charged by whomever you wrote the check too. Is that the banks fault? The same with credit cards and their credit limits. You go over and you will get penalized. That's the agreement we all make if we want to do business with these companies. If you don't like it, change companies. Nobody is forcing you to have a phone, let alone and iPhone.

Finally someone who gets how life works:D
But please, I was only off for $1 that is so unfair. it is obscene:D Its bad customer service or satisfaction.
What the bank or credit card companies will tell you next time do your math right and dont try to cut it so close, they will bounce or charge you fees for going over pennies not just a dollar.
 
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Wow, a Moderator with that kind of common sense. :)
Lots of things big corporations charge or do is not "typically" fair to some. Is it fair to charge an arm and a leg for texts that costs carriers almost nothing? Charging both incoming and outgoing calls where in Europe and most of the world only the caller gets charged for the call not the person receiving and many other charges Verizon, AT&T and most US carrier charge for.
Would it be fair to charge him per KB after he went over his data plan? That would cost way more. No, the rules that he agreed to are those. That's what he and all customers agree to when entering into a contract. Wether they understand how it works, how much or if they feel is fair is irrelevant.
Agree to something and complain after makes sense to you? What does that have to do with Customer satisfaction?
An attitude like mine is just the reality point of view but not many have it nowadays I see.
Im done responding to this thread, seems like my IQ drops each time I have to explain common sense to people.
No, it's not fair that cell providers charge an exorbitant amount for text messages, and yes, it's absolutely ok to complain about it.

We consent to a lot in this world, not because we want to, but because we have to. This includes every law in the country of which you are a citizen, by your logic. Is that true? I don't think so. Your initial (though begrudging) ascent doesn't remove your right to voice your opinion at a later time.

If the OP's father had written his own data plan you might have a point. But that's not the case here. He had an extremely limited choice, chose the lesser of two evils, and hoped that AT&T would never "milk" him. AT&T did, and he's voicing his disapproval. He has every right to, and I commend him for it.

Reality doesn't have to be reality; it can be changed. Forgive me for suggesting that we can do better.

What the bank or credit card companies will tell you next time do your math right and dont try to cut it so close, they will bounce or charge you fees for going over pennies not just a dollar.
The Courts don't always consent to reality, either. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/business/11wells.html
 
Reality doesn't have to be reality; it can be changed.

The Courts don't always consent to reality, either. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/business/11wells.html

Lol :D
Sure, Im going to keep bouncing my checks and complain about the overdraft fees. And then hope 6 years later there will be a lawsuit so I can recover those charges.
How about a better idea, stop bouncing checks:D
That's what some of us were trying to explain to the OP, that's all.
 
It may be obscene to you but if its unacceptable, don't sign the contract. Or here's a thought, if you are like the other millions of users, stay within the plan you choose and never have to have this problem! It's laughable to me that AT&T is the bad guy here.

ATT is not the bad guy because the terms are unmanageable, but rather because they are grossly disproportionate.

There are only a handful of companies that still offer unlimited data plans, and if you want to have a GSM iPhone, ATT is practically the only game in town. That makes the smaller (and let's face it, in fine print) terms of a contract non-negotiable for the customer. As a matter of fact, I bet it takes you more than 5 minutes to find the precise fee schedule in your contract (page, paragraph, and line). Did you read all the terms in your contract? Do you really sit there and read all 50, 75, or even 200 pages of boilerplate that gets stuffed into a wireless contract?

At some point we have to say that what is unreasonable can't be included in the terms of the contract. ATT might have written into my contract that I have to deposit 20lbs of lamb meat every fortnight. Should that be an enforceable term in a contract? What if the ETF was 3 times the total value of the contract? What if the contract stated that data would be counted at twice the rate for outgoing traffic?

Is your world so black and white that nothing exists outside of a document you yourself have never read in entirety?

If you have $50 in your checking account and write a check for $51, what happens? The bank charges you $35 for the overdraft if it's paid or $35 for the NSF. With an NSF, you also get charged by whomever you wrote the check too. Is that the banks fault? The same with credit cards and their credit limits. You go over and you will get penalized. That's the agreement we all make if we want to do business with these companies. If you don't like it, change companies. Nobody is forcing you to have a phone, let alone and iPhone.

There is a big difference between overdrawing on an account and using 1% more data that is generally available. When you overdraw on your account, the $1 has to come from the bank's reserve of credit. The same applies for a credit card, which is financed by a bank. Granted, it does not cost the bank a full $34 to process the additional $1 of credit, and that's exactly why overdraft fees have been heavily scrutinized lately (and as EricNau pointed out, banks have sometimes lost this fight).

In the case of data on a network, ATT incurs only marginal cost to deliver the additional 2MB. What's more, it can deliver 900 times the amount of data for far less than what this overage fee was. I can understand if ATT implemented a $/MB overage schedule (like how minute overages work, where each additional minute costs you some set rate rather than $15 just for stepping over an imaginary line).

What we have here is a predatory practice made possible because too many people have forgotten that they signed a contract of adhesion. It disgusts me that ATT employs this practice to make a quick dime, but it disturbs me that so many are willing to defend such a grossly distorted fee structure.
 
ATT is not the bad guy because the terms are unmanageable, but rather because they are grossly disproportionate.
No disrespect but I have no idea what this means. Disproportionate to what?

There are only a handful of companies that still offer unlimited data plans, and if you want to have a GSM iPhone, ATT is practically the only game in town. That makes the smaller (and let's face it, in fine print) terms of a contract non-negotiable for the customer. As a matter of fact, I bet it takes you more than 5 minutes to find the precise fee schedule in your contract (page, paragraph, and line). Did you read all the terms in your contract? Do you really sit there and read all 50, 75, or even 200 pages of boilerplate that gets stuffed into a wireless contract?
There are two GSM providers, not including the the carriers that resell ATT or TMO services. TMO, not ATT is the only one offering unlimited plans (ATT grandfathered accounts aside)

As far as the contract, did YOU read it? There is no price schedule written into the 17 page contract. The pricing of the contract is available online in the form of your rate plan. In the real world, pricing schedules are almost always added as addendums. Because you can change your rate plan at any time, it would be foolish for ATT to write your rate plan into an addendum each time you decide to change your rate plan, add a feature or remove a feature. You would end up with a 100 page document by the end of your contract.

At some point we have to say that what is unreasonable can't be included in the terms of the contract. ATT might have written into my contract that I have to deposit 20lbs of lamb meat every fortnight. Should that be an enforceable term in a contract? What if the ETF was 3 times the total value of the contract? What if the contract stated that data would be counted at twice the rate for outgoing traffic?
ATT, or any other company for that matter, wouldn't write something so ridiculous. Even if they did, that 20lbs of lamb would be part of the consideration of the contract and cannot be hidden in some random section. If it were, that portion would not be enforceable. The "fine" print people are so scared of and talk about is never in the contract, its in the promotion that brought you in. Contracts are laid out clearly if you ever read one. You see, in order for a contract to be valid, there have to be certain contained within 1) An agreement 2) between competent parties 3) based on the consent of the parties 4) that is exchanged for or supported by consideration 5) for a lawful objective.

Is your world so black and white that nothing exists outside of a document you yourself have never read in entirety?
I work with contracts and lawyers every day. Contracts exist so there is no grey area. Oh, you're wrong... I have read that contract word for word. Do you always make stupid assumptions or is everything in your life one big irony?
There is a big difference between overdrawing on an account and using 1% more data that is generally available. When you overdraw on your account, the $1 has to come from the bank's reserve of credit. The same applies for a credit card, which is financed by a bank. Granted, it does not cost the bank a full $34 to process the additional $1 of credit, and that's exactly why overdraft fees have been heavily scrutinized lately (and as EricNau pointed out, banks have sometimes lost this fight).

In the case of data on a network, ATT incurs only marginal cost to deliver the additional 2MB. What's more, it can deliver 900 times the amount of data for far less than what this overage fee was. I can understand if ATT implemented a $/MB overage schedule (like how minute overages work, where each additional minute costs you some set rate rather than $15 just for stepping over an imaginary line).
Strangely, we are actually closer to agreeing than disagreeing on this part. What you fail to understand is that these are for profit companies. They are in the business of making money while providing goods and services to their customers. They are under no obligation to you or our government to provide the cheapest fees and waive costs that you don't think is fair.

Do I think bank fees are too high? Sure. I know it doesn't cost a bank $34 to process the $1 "loan" but its also up to the bank to decide what they want to charge me. What do I do about it if I don't want to pay those kind of fees? I don't bounce checks or I change banks. I learned basic addition and subtraction in kindergarten and it still seems to work fine. If I disregard that basic principle, I suck it up and pay the fine. In regards to ATT, it costs them nothing to let someone go over their monthly data but what does cost have anything to do with it? You agree to a plan and they provide the service. If someone goes over than plan, you agreed that they will charge you.

What we have here is a predatory practice made possible because too many people have forgotten that they signed a contract of adhesion. It disgusts me that ATT employs this practice to make a quick dime, but it disturbs me that so many are willing to defend such a grossly distorted fee structure.
Predatory practice? not even close. Last time I checked, people lined up at ATT's doors for their services, not the other way around. The contract and the pricing is clear as day. Again, if you choose to use on every kb of your plan, you better anticipate going over from time to time. And if that happens, you better suck it up and pay. If you don't want to pay overages, get a prepaid plan.
 
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So you would rather have every one of AT&T's customers negotiate their own contract term? Have you ever been involved with a contract negotiation? I've never heard of anyone wanting contract mark ups going back and forth between lawyers for a consumer service agreement? Funny

The $15 we're discussing might be negotiated out of it but your data plan will end up paying for their lawyers. That $15 month data now costs $125 per month if you could get the contract signed in 10 billable hours. On top of that, you would pay $300 per hour for your own attorney to negotiate this on your behalf.

Brilliant idea...

If you read carefully, I never suggested anything you attributed to me. I only wrote one sentence.

Even if every customer had the ability to independently negotiate their contract, there would still be vast inequity in the bargaining process. I'm not suggesting it is feasible that AT&T negotiate with each of its millions of customers either; that won't work for obvious logistical reasons. In fact, contracts of adhesion have a place in the healthy functioning of business; unfortunately, they also allow for abuse when power between parties is substantially skewed.

Keep your day job and never run for public office

I have a brain and a soul, and I don't particularly like sucking blood. I think that disqualifies me from both public office and law school.
 
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