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For anyone who has followed Apple for any amount of time, this will come as no surprise.

Apple pricing remains fairly consistent among resellers until a month or two ahead of a product update. Apple likely relaxes its MAP rules, so they can clear inventory out of the channel.

Numerous resellers have been offering discounts on MacBook Pro models (both 13- and 15-inch models) for a while now, intensifying leading up to Memorial Day weekend. It seems pretty obvious to me that Kaby Lake updates are coming.

I've seen the same in some UK retailers, the margins are generally tight but there's been so many refurbished machines in the Apple Store for months now and retailers like Amazon UK have been offering over 12% off since February (with periods of higher discount than that) and are now showing 2-5 weeks dispatch time. John Lewis have modest £50 discounts but seem to be out of stock of many Space Grey models with single digit stocks on certain silver ones.

Given the troubles Apple have had with the Rev A 2016 models I think we can fully expect the 2015 models to escape the cut and the 2016 models to be consigned to history within the Apple refurbished store in due course.

Spec wise, it'll be Kaby Lake (circa 200MHz boost model for model) with revisions made to the internals to hopefully fix the keyboard issues due to heat, perhaps even introducing the terraced battery that was not used in the 2016 model due to failing a 'key test'.
 
A lot of people are talking about the release cycle and avg time.. i think you have to look at the release cycle of the first few versions of the last MBP. Around 200 days is normal, as they work out the kinks ... I think the 3rd one will be around 200 days as well... but of course, there are other variables such as Intel
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Maybe they'll give you a 7200RPM HD instead of a 5400RPM HD!
Lol
 
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I think the best result for Apple would be to update the new MBP's to Kaby lake, 32gb etc, but to quell all the noise they really should properly update the Retina MacBook Pro. Give it Kabylake and offer a dGPU version, maybe even 32gb. Then everyone that wants their SD slots and USB ports can have them on a modern architecture that will last the next five years.

And fwiw my bet for the 'MacBook Air' update is simply a new 13" MacBook. Price drop on the 12" also and the 13 released at a highly competitive price.
 
Can anyone clear this up? Are all the 2016 MBP's Apple is selling on their website built to order? Regardless of Ghz or any other options. If I order one now is it built right after my order goes through?

I was under the impression that some of these common builds like the 2.6 256 or 512 were basically already built on the assembly line.

My point...is Apple is still assembling these 2016 MBP models because if you order now delivery will be in June 6th.

So does this mean on June 5th Apple shuts down the assembly line to make the internal changes and starts taking orders later that day and any orders placed after June 5th get the updated specs model. When does the 2016 model stop and the mid 2017 model start right on exactly June 5th?

Or do you think Apple has really already started producing the mid 2017 MBP w/ Kaby Lake and the basic models are already produced so laptops are ready to ship on June 5th. If there ready to ship on June 5th they can't be manufactured on June 5th.
 
If you are a pro, you don't ask that question...
Come on, that's an immature response. Professional users are found in a huge cross section of industries all of whom have different needs. Professional musicians don't need high end graphics, for example, but benefit tremendously from high speed flash storage and thunderbolt 3. It's a great machine for them. It is possible that you have a narrow definition of 'pro' that simply isn't the target market of this machine. Raw graphic and processor power is always going to be inferior on a notebook compared to a desktop because of the nature of the form factor. I don't think it is possible to meet the needs of all pros with one machine anyway. Apple does plenty of market research and if they feel the product is not meeting the needs of the vast majority of the pro users who buy it, they will make a change. They've already spoken about the Mac Pro recently so I would suggest that they do listen.
 
Can anyone clear this up? Are all the 2016 MBP's Apple is selling on their website built to order? Regardless of Ghz or any other options. If I order one now is it built right after my order goes through?

I was under the impression that some of these common builds like the 2.6 256 or 512 were basically already built on the assembly line.
they are pre-built.. they're the ones you'll see stocked in retail locations.. apple store, best buy, etc.. b&h (and some others) will typically stock most of the other configurations as well..

My point...is Apple is still assembling these 2016 MBP models because if you order now delivery will be in June 6th.

pretty sure if your order now, you get a model with updated cpu. ;)

When does the 2016 model stop and the mid 2017 model start right on exactly June 5th?
not sure about how apple actually deals with it but from our point of view, 2016 MBP has already stopped..
 
Yeah - the media PRO is of course different from the freelance dodo sitting in the coffee shop feeling PRO because he's using iWorks.
Sadly there is 100x more of the second category so humblegreedy TC is only addressing those.
Thanks for helping him spread the confusion.

This is an oversimplification on so many levels. "Media Pro" is whom exactly? If you're talking graphic artists vs. musicians vs. software developers, they need completely different hardware strengths. Trying to create a computer with a one-size-fits-all has never and will never satisfy everyone. And raw horsepower is never going to be superior on a notebook when compared to a desktop because of the form factor.
 
Yeah - the media PRO is of course different from the freelance dodo sitting in the coffee shop feeling PRO because he's using iWorks.
Sadly there is 100x more of the second category so humblegreedy TC is only addressing those.
Thanks for helping him spread the confusion.
hey wait.. i use iWork in a professional environment..
and tbh, this spreadsheet alone (and a few similar ones) pay for the computer.. and it's barely contributing anything towards the overall computer work of a project.

numbers.app = sweet for recipes ;)

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Come on, that's an immature response. Professional users are found in a huge cross section of industries all of whom have different needs. Professional musicians don't need high end graphics, for example, but benefit tremendously from high speed flash storage and thunderbolt 3. It's a great machine for them. It is possible that you have a narrow definition of 'pro' that simply isn't the target market of this machine. Raw graphic and processor power is always going to be inferior on a notebook compared to a desktop because of the nature of the form factor. I don't think it is possible to meet the needs of all pros with one machine anyway. Apple does plenty of market research and if they feel the product is not meeting the needs of the vast majority of the pro users who buy it, they will make a change. They've already spoken about the Mac Pro recently so I would suggest that they do listen.
A real pro machine is: one for all
 
#bringbackquadcoremacmini

Just received my 2nd 2012 2.6 GHz i7, 16GB, SSDs. Mirrored systems, but one runs Pro Tools 12 and the other runs Vienna Symphonic Library via ethernet. With maxed-out RAM and the right SSD, they are the best Apple machines I've ever owned. Ever.

#bringbackquadcoremacmini
 
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Sorry but Im not going to let you off that easily. We are talking about what should go into 1 product not whether or not there should be other products. Lets face it apple did the math and decided that they needed to move forward with macbooks that used the most technologically forward item. You can still by the older macbooks and they will last you a good 3-5 years minimum. There is no excuse as to why Apple shouldnt be looking ahead.

Most of what I listed is tech directly related to an iPhone. And I'd be very happy to see an iPhone without any of it (though I'm well aware most people would not be and I would not suggest it except in a sarcastic way).

Actually, I agree with you about the older macbook, but at least drop the price on a 2 year old computer. The 2015 really isn't a bad machine and a heck of a lot better than anything else Apple offers, but who wants to pay the same price they would have 2 years ago?

Maybe they have to keep the price up because the antique Haswell chips are getting hard to source? Upgrade it to a modern CPU and it's a winning machine.

I think the best result for Apple would be to update the new MBP's to Kaby lake, 32gb etc, but to quell all the noise they really should properly update the Retina MacBook Pro. Give it Kabylake and offer a dGPU version, maybe even 32gb. Then everyone that wants their SD slots and USB ports can have them on a modern architecture that will last the next five years.

If they did update the 2015 rMBP as you say, I know I'd order one right away. The problem is, it would absolutely kill the 2016 steaming turd, and I can't see Apple allowing that. They'd rather have the higher margin and dongle sales on the 2016 in the short term and not give a care to the long term brand value.
 
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Phil Schiller & co.: let's see if you try to fob everyone off again with battery life and logic board redesign BS.

Here's one thing I hope they remember:
MacBook - for consumers - go sell them the super thin, great battery life machines
MacBook Pro - for professionals - why try to fob this segment off with the same?! Only a nut job would do that - its like Mercedes bringing out a new S-Class that's exactly the same shape and size as an A-Class and telling customers 'well we had to do it like that so you'd get good gas mileage and can park in tight spaces easily'. I don't have strong enough words to explain THAT kind of stupid.

Here are examples of 'Pro' notebooks: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-15-9560-laptop/pd?oc=cnx95605&model_id=xps-15-9560-laptop and http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=T7W06ET&opt=ABU&sel=NTB

I switched to Macs in 2001 and the only Windows PCs I touched were the occasional ones I'd be given by work clients. However, after over 15 years of being a happy Mac customer I don't buy into their delusions.

If they want to dumb down and forget about the MacPro and MacBook Pro and retarget them as over-priced nonsense aimed at more-money-than-sense consumers then go ahead. They can do it without my money! My 2011 MBP has been due for a replacement since last year (I replace all my Apple hardware every 3 years) and I've held off long enough (let's face it, no Mac user really wants to go back to Windows). But I'm left with no choice, I need more RAM and compute to run increasing number of virtual machines for work and the Windows laptops can handle that.

Yep, and when you need a workstation-class laptop, this can be BTO purchased: http://www.boxx.com/products/mobile-workstations Made in the USA with the highest quality components. But they're not for social-media/shopping stations, they're for work, work, work. Probably not available in rose gold.
 
Just received my 2nd 2012 2.6 GHz i7, 16GB, SSDs. Mirrored systems, but one runs Pro Tools 12 and the other runs Vienna Symphonic Library via ethernet. With maxed-out RAM and the right SSD, they are the best Apple machines I've ever owned. Ever.

#bringbackquadcoremacmini

I have a 2012 quad core mini, 16 gig of ram, 512 gig SSD + 1TB HDD . I believe it is the best Mac desktop ever made, though I won't argue with someone who wants to give a nod to the cheese grater MacPro. I also had a 2009 Core2 Duo which was great for it's time and i used as a media player until recently, but now it can't even stream netflix. I would love to buy another Mac Mini to replace the 2009, but I'm not buying a 2014 which is a downgrade from what I bought 5 years ago, and a used 2012 quad core will actually cost more than I paid to get the 2012 from Apple.

It's amazing, their current computers are flat out inferior to what they sold in 2012. And the resale price on the older ones reflects it.
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Those are nice looking machines, a lot of people can use a 17" laptop with no compromises on performance.

For a 17", I love the form factor of the Razer Blade Pro though it is way out of my price range.

The 14" Razer Blade hits my ideal for price/power/size. It's about the size and weight of the 13" rMBP but the amount of power they packed in is stunning. I'm just not quite willing to give up on MacOS just yet, and to be honest since my razer keyboard insists on a persistent connection to send telemetry home and it's just a keyboard, I don't see myself buying anything else from Razer. I just wish apple could offer the same performance in the same footprint.
 
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Yeah, I've got my fingers ready to BTO something if Apple disappoints, because I snoozed on the 2012 12-core cMP. I'm really trying not to get caught holding the dongle. Again.

UPDATE: I headed straight to the iMac 27" 4GHz, 32GB RAM, Flash storage, etc. BTO (the one with Thunderbolt 2) -but Apple has already taken them down. Frak!
 
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A real pro machine is: one for all

A real "pro machine" is a lineup of products in various sizes (like 13, 15, and 17") and different performances (like a dual core i5 to a quad core i7). The key thing is not to offer functionality and versatility (contemporary ports, removable mass storage).

And before you say that's too many SKUs. Companies 1/10th Apple's size with a smaller market share than Apple manage to offer a full range of "pro" options along side "budget" and "consumer" options. And every other PC vendor somehow manages to keep their products up to date as new stuff comes out (newer CPUs, newer GPUs, cheaper SSDs, etc). Only Apple seems to be perpetually years behind and playing catchup while bragging about Timmy's clogged pipeline.

Timmy just can't seem to wrap his tiny little mind around the fact that you can spec bump products without a massive media splash.

A one machine for all idea will satisfy very few people, and that's how Apple found themselves in their current mess across the mac lines.

They're trying to make every mac satisfy the exact same mythical customer, and they're making them all satisfy very few people.
 
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