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This basically means that if you use one of these laptops, you better make sure you have disk encryption on and make good backups.

If your machine dies and they replace it, they won't be able to transfer the SSD to the new machine. And encryption is important because you can't remove the SSD from a dead machine to protect your private data.

"They won't be able to" is relative. Any good shop can solder for god's sake (e.g. I just put a new battery in my 1990s series Norelco shaver and it required taking it apart and soldering in a new battery. It wasn't that hard. It took maybe 25 minutes total and it's better than new since it's now NiMH instead of Nicad).

If that's beyond Apple's capability, take it to a real computer repair shop. Solder some leads on the bad drive and connect it to one of those external drive caddies for transfer. That's still easier than trying to recover data from a bad rotational drive.
 
Just curious, if you do a lot of 4k editing or even disk transfers, it's known that SSD degrades differently from HDD, so 5+ years from now if it's degraded, it can't be replaced and the entire beautiful machine will be paperweight?

Reason I'm asking is because Macs used to have 10 year lifespan, even 5,6,7 years is not unreasonable to keep using a Mac, now with the soldering it seems it'll definitely add some reduction in lifespan right?
I cant speak for all ssds but a ssd degrades by losing space, kind if like your battery. It doesnt just die one day usually.
 
Meanwhile my cheaper, faster laptop uses an off the shelf M.2 SSD. More and more I'm glad I sold off my MacBook and went with PC.

Yep, I did it a year ago (it was not cheaper for me) after 16 years of working on Mac laptops (starting with the Pismo). It really makes no sense now - I still have my desktop at work, but I'll probably trade that in for a Surface Studio next year.
 
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Not being able to upgrade a proprietary apple ssd, this outrage is really interesting. Apple can just refuse to license out the technology and you'd be at the same spot. Also ssds are one of the rarest components to fail.
 
Yep, I did it a year ago (it was not cheaper for me) after 16 years of working on Mac laptops (starting with the Pismo). It really makes no sense now - I still have my desktop at work, but I'll probably trade that in for a Surface Studio next year.

This. I am also considering switching to Windows. Maybe not this year or the next, but looking at the path MS is going to have an amazing lineup and a good OS pretty soon.

It is clear that Apple is now an iOS company.
 
But not everyone has deep pockets so will get say 500GB with a view to get 2TB in years to come.
Some folks like to keep most of their data on the computer without attaching a dongle, oh did I say dongle!
I doubt there are many computers where you cant swap out the hard drive.
Out of interest what SSD size would you being a "Pro" opt for?

As far as I am concerned: I am happy with my 256 GB SSD in my 2013 MBPr. I have a NAS at home with 2x 3 TB hard drives which I use for storing my music, photos, data etc. I just have the documents on my SSD which I really need. This way I don't need a dongle to connect anything to my MBP but I have more storage.

For any other occasions I have an VPN tunnel to my NAS to be able to access it from anywhere in the world.
 
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Further solidifies my decision to order a 2015 MacBook Pro a few minutes ago that much better.
Same here. I ordered a 2015 13" last week. Still very thin, light and fast with a great screen and functional ports for hundreds less. I didn't know about the soldered SSDs on the new model, but I fully expect to upgrade my SSD in a few years. I was authorized to purchase a MacBook Pro for work back in January - I have to use both a Mac and and PC for testing things. I guess I'm glad that I waited since I got a small discount and my warranty will start 10 months later.

This highlights the primary reason I haven't purchased a Mac with my own money in a really long time. With MacOS you're at the whim of a single company when it comes to hardware design. I recognize the utility of making machines as thin and light as possible, but that doesn't align with my personal preference. I'd gladly endure an extra couple of millimeters of thickness and a few ounces of weight to get more expandability and greater port selection. Apple won't let me use MacOS on a machine like that.
 
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OWC's are superior. That's what I replaced mine with.

I had an OWC ssd in my old mid 2012 Retina Macbook Pro after the second failure I gave up and lived with the Apple ssd ( to be honest OWC had a good customer service, which was needed ).
 
Not being able to upgrade a proprietary apple ssd, this outrage is really interesting. Apple can just refuse to license out the technology and you'd be at the same spot. Also ssds are one of the rarest components to fail.

It's the sum of things, not only this.
Dongles, dongles, dongles.
Can't plug my iphone to my new MBP without buying something extra.
Can't plug my iphone headphones.
Can't replace SSD.
I heard complaints about GPU
Keyboard sucks.
No Magsafe.
Doesn't even have extension cord.
and so on... (and Price!)
 
Upgrading a hard drive has almost always been a simple thing with macs throughout time. I have done it on almost every single mac I've ever owned. To remove that flexibility now (for no other reason than greed?) is an abomination.

I instinctively wanted to call you out on your BS here, but you used "almost", so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. That being said, I once owned a laptop called the iBook (white) G4. For those that don't remember them, the first model was released in 2003 (Steve Jobs was alive and running the company at this time btw), and that was the model I bought. A little after my warranty expired the HD failed. Replacing the HD on that thing was the biggest pain in the ass I've ever had to deal with with any laptop I've ever owned (and I've owned a lot, including Windows laptops). This is the nonsense I had to do:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iBook+G4+12-Inch+800+MHz-1.2+GHz+Hard+Drive+Replacement/166

I didn't do this until I sold it later and instead got by by just running an external boot drive. For all intents and purposes, for the majority of people out there who buy and use Apple computers, replacing the HD in this was not going to happen. If you want to raise your hand triumphantly and say, "that looks easy, I've done much worse before, blah blah", well, good for you, you're in the minority. I also have family and friends who graduated from NYU/Harvard. They are the minority, they don't represent the majority.

Apple got a lot better at this later on, culminating in the 2008 model, which to this day, is still my favorite Apple computer, but it always irritates me when people bring up Apple's past as if it were the height of the Roman empire and they could do no wrong, because that isn't the Apple I remember. My first mac btw, was a Performa 6200CD, so I've been on this boat for awhile now. As others have mentioned, the writing has been on the wall for awhile now that this was the direction they were going at, and those who are perceptive have had years to prepare for this. If this goes against your principles or disrupts your work flow in some way, maybe it's time to look at other options, but in my eyes, Apple is all-in on this approach, and this isn't going to change unless the leadership is shaken up dramatically.
 
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Hey guys, I know this sucks, and it does... But Apple probably wouldn't be able to get higher speeds over 2,000 MBps speeds if you had a separate SSD module... So its speed over userbility there. We know what Apple choose.

If this were true, you still wouldn't need to solder in the SSD. I'm ready to leave the Macbook "Pro" world and go to a Hackintosh. The only thing that I would severely miss would be the trackpad.
 
I had an OWC ssd in my old mid 2012 Retina Macbook Pro after the second failure I gave up and lived with the Apple ssd ( to be honest OWC had a good customer service, which was needed ).

Transcend also sell SSD that's is compatible with your rMBP.
 
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Actually Apple did make it a selling point in the days of old. During product announcements I can remember Job's point out how a product was made to be easily upgradable be it the door on the G5 Power Mac or the tiny cover on the back of the iMac.

But also Apple's upgradability was well known by customers. It wasn't anything Apple needed to advertise. It's why people pay so much attention to tear downs these days -- becuase it's not a given anymore.

So almost 20 years ago Apple made a little mention of upgradability? Got it.

You need to realize that forums like this do not at all represent normal users. They are the small 1% or less of Apple users who do care about the ability to upgrade and have interest in it. For the average user and the vast majority of users, they don't care and won't notice one bit that the ability is gone because they'd never have taken advantage of it in the first place.

Does it suck for the super small group of people that would upgrade these machines themselves? Yes. Is it understandable why Apple doesn't bother with the additional requirements needed to make machines upgradable (added hardware, increased support costs, increased reliability problems, etc)? Yes.
 
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I'm fine with 4 USB-c ports and the touchbar and even the new keyboard, but that thing should have had a gtx1060 and m.2 sad, and certainly upgradable ram.

I'm thinking the 15" maybe could have had 2 m.2 slots.

What's this BS?!
 
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Heh. I remember the weeping and gnashing of teeth when the Amiga switched from socketed chips to surface mount. Some things never change.
 
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If this were true, you still wouldn't need to solder in the SSD. I'm ready to leave the Macbook "Pro" world and go to a Hackintosh. The only thing that I would severely miss would be the trackpad.

i was already playing with the thought transplanting a genuine macbook's trackpad into a new, modern, usable computer.
 
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You just committed ad hominem fallacy.

Let me define it for you: "logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."

Furthermore, did you look at my signature?

I own two MacBook Pros.

You didn't define it, you plagiarized it.

https://quizlet.com/145852716/critical-reading-and-writing-flash-cards/
 
The MacBook Pro is not a "pro" design at all, it's a cheap consumer design with an obscene price.

Check out the other side's hardware. High end laptops are available with two SSD slots and user upgradable RAM. That used to be the design philosophy of the MacBook Pro, but now it's just a sealed disposable unit lacking the power to serve as a desktop replacement for too many pros.
 
Transcend also sell SSD that's is compatible with your rMBP.

I am not against 3th party ssds but is that really worth the discomfort you may have.

Apple SSD's now the fastest available, nearly saturating the PCIe 3.0 port, why should one buy any other ssd for the same price with a lot of problems.
 
Hey guys, I know this sucks, and it does... But Apple probably wouldn't be able to get higher speeds over 2,000 MBps speeds if you had a separate SSD module... So its speed over userbility there. We know what Apple choose.

How does Samsung do it on the 960 Pro?

Does Samsung not have to obey the same law of physics?
 
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This. I am also considering switching to Windows. Maybe not this year or the next, but looking at the path MS is going to have an amazing lineup and a good OS pretty soon.

It is clear that Apple is now an iOS company.

Yep - This is missing my last Air (I sold because of the garbage screen) and last Macbook Pro that I passed on to my brother. My Canvas/Windows 10 has been solid the last year with Adobe CC and archived Quark files. Apple did not give me any reason to go back with this refresh.

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