Reminds me of the line "My brand new, shiny sports car is great! It's still in the shop, but you can ask anybody on the bus about it!"
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15-Inch MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Has Non-Removable SSD
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remember when Apple took out the removable battery and said it was so they could maximize the amount of space used for the battery? oh man those were the days....
clearly that other guy has never heard of carbon copy cloner. couple clicks, come back in an hour or two, five minutes to swap the drives. I bet that guy pays people to change his tires too. But hey, spend more money and buy nice tires up front, they never go bad, right?
clearly that other guy has never heard of carbon copy cloner. couple clicks, come back in an hour or two, five minutes to swap the drives. I bet that guy pays people to change his tires too. But hey, spend more money and buy nice tires up front, they never go bad, right?
This argument is a bit narrow, I think.
While it's true that Macs hold their value amazingly well, your argument is valid if you are in a constant/periodic upgrade cycle. As an Apple user, this makes sense, and Apple is counting on it as well, which is why they do this. They "lock you in".
That said, a machine that is easily repaired (like the Blade Pro) can be kept running for many, many years fairly easily. Hell, the base specs on a machine like that far exceed anything Apple will put out in the next 3-5 years, if ever. The fact that Msoft supports machines basically forever is another factor, plus, there's always Linux. So the reliability factor is somewhat mitigated.
Granted, this is not the machine for the target Apple user: one who is confortable with buying a car with a sealed hood, unlike a lot of people here. Apple is just pushing us technical folks out, is all. Which makes this so frustrating and we come here to vent.
If Apple had built a Blade Pro, I would have sold my soul to get it so I can finally retire my 2011 17"...it's that perfect (but Windows).
But alas, now I have to take a chance on it (it's still at the very top of my list).
To be fair, no one on this forum has modified Macs as much as me and i'm very happy with the new MacBook Pro.
I was the first (only?) in 2006 to rip out the CD drive and configure two Intel X25 SSD's in the MacBook Pro as raid 0 so back then I was getting 700MB/s read/write. The my 2011 iMac I ripped out the audio drive and put two SSD's in Raid 0 on the Sata 3 bus (there were two sata 3 busses for hard drives, the optical drive used sata 2) I put a WD Green 4TB drive on the Sata 2. I was getting near 1000MB/s read and write in 2011 with a 4TB internal drive too (there's a thread on here somewhere). Now I run an iMac with a 512GB internal SSD and 4x Samsung 850 512GB's configured as Raid 0 and then turned into a CoreStorage drive to give me one 2.5TB Mac HD that is pure flash SSD running at 1500MB/s accorss the full drive.
I'm not into upgrading the computer at a later date, every have been, even when I did used to run PC's back in the day - it's a cheap way out for a minor spec bump, the keyboard, the track pad, the screen, the case, have all had a battering. I'd rather either spend a lot of money up front creating what I want, or just buy something new. There are always quirks of a machine you can't wait to get rid of - and if you upgrade a Mac often enough it barely costs anything - i've worked it out at like £15 a month to own all my systems, which is excellent value for money and no messing around with the portables needed.
In my case, it wasn't the SSD; it was the replacement logic board - the 1st one died 87 days before Applecare ran out. The replacement died on day 187.
The netbook I purchased to hold me over while waiting on my Macbook pro to come back is still working. (Replaced the battery, added ram and put a larger HD in it - still crunching SETI blocks when I am not using if for anything important.
Thank god the watchbands are still replaceable............
OMG. People. Failure of your SSD is such a minuscule possibility that it is completely not worth worrying about. Odds are you and 10,000 of your friends could buy this machine and never experience a SSD failure.
Oh stop whining guys! You all know that if you were in the market for a Macbook Pro, you are going to buy one of these new ones regardless of the ridiculously expensive pricing, lack of ports, non-replaceable SDD or otherwise.
Unfortunately not everyone has a fast internet connection at all times. I travel a lot with my notebook and often have no or very slow internet for days or weeks. So having all my data in one place and a backup in the cloud and at home and at work (in case one of the places burns down) is my strategy. It's also more convenient and fast to have everything in one place. All of my netbooks had hard drive failures so replacing and upgrading the HDD's is a good thing to be able to.
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Is that really true? I though SSD's are prone to fail over 2 years of use. Please tell me i'm wrong and SSD's last a very long time.
I'm not thrilled about the SSD being soldered to the logic board, but I've ordered a new MBP anyway because my current MBPs are 2008 and 2011, so it was about time. Only last week, I did in fact have to remove the SSD from the 2011 because the logic board failed. Because it was removable, I was able to pop it into a USB enclosure and boot my older Mac from it while waiting for Apple to replace the logic board. Now I've got the 2011 back from Apple, I have put the SSD back in. So throughout, I have had very little downtime. This kind of thing is no longer possible, and it seems like a bad thing if you ask me. I mean, it's not as if it's beyond Apple's capability to use connectors for the proprietary SSD that don't need soldering. It's a financially motivated decision which has no benefit for anyone but Apple, but has obvious and undeniable drawbacks for the customer, if the hardware fails.
Another thing to consider is that disk encryption becomes much more important. If it's not enabled, and the logic board with SSD needs replacing, who's to say someone with time on their hands won't unsolder the old SSD from the junk board and have access to the data. Better hope Apple dispose of them properly.
Unfortunately though, there isn't too much choice but to accept that's how it's going to be, so get over it. Maybe others might consider Windows, but frankly, I have to use it every day on a work laptop and I would rather pull out my own teeth than return to Windows for home use.
Another thing to consider is that disk encryption becomes much more important. If it's not enabled, and the logic board with SSD needs replacing, who's to say someone with time on their hands won't unsolder the old SSD from the junk board and have access to the data. Better hope Apple dispose of them properly.
Unfortunately though, there isn't too much choice but to accept that's how it's going to be, so get over it. Maybe others might consider Windows, but frankly, I have to use it every day on a work laptop and I would rather pull out my own teeth than return to Windows for home use.
In the UK we have the 6 year rule although difficult to prove that fault was present on day of purchase.
I just got my washing machine fixed using 6 year rule but it was hassle and had to speak to supervisor (JLP UK)
They agreed to go halves in the end.
But any UK apple users iPhone, iMac, MacBook Pro etc quote the 6 year rule and fight your corner.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...cused-of-denying-six-year-warranty-right.html
VIMP
You must seek redress with the shop you bought the apple product NOT apple.
So if EE they will say phone apple DONT accept that the redress is with EE the 'shop / seller' NOT the manufacturer.
I had that with my washing machine but I stood firm and said NO I do not want to speak to manufacturer thanks you my redress is with YOU
If you bought direct from apple then your redress is with apple.
I just got my washing machine fixed using 6 year rule but it was hassle and had to speak to supervisor (JLP UK)
They agreed to go halves in the end.
But any UK apple users iPhone, iMac, MacBook Pro etc quote the 6 year rule and fight your corner.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...cused-of-denying-six-year-warranty-right.html
VIMP
You must seek redress with the shop you bought the apple product NOT apple.
So if EE they will say phone apple DONT accept that the redress is with EE the 'shop / seller' NOT the manufacturer.
I had that with my washing machine but I stood firm and said NO I do not want to speak to manufacturer thanks you my redress is with YOU
If you bought direct from apple then your redress is with apple.
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I'm not really sure why people hold on to the "Pro" moniker. It's a name, nothing more.
I recently went to some TV studios in North London and wasn't in the least bit surprised to see that the show wasn't shot using Go Pros, but instead was shot on the right camera for the job, even though they didn't have "Pro" in the name.
Just because a product has "Pro" in the name, it doesn't mean professionals use it. Professionals use the best tool for the job, regardless of its name/price/appearance.
Ever been to a salon where they used the No No Pro? Didn't think so. Or do all dentists use the Oral B Pro? Of course not. Is James Bond edited on Final Cut Pro? It's unlikely.
If the new Macs don't meet your personal requirements, don't buy it.
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Apple just replaced the logic board in my 2011 for free under some repair program that runs until the end of the year, which is pretty good. Also, my new 15" just changed to Preparing For Dispatch, so dongle hell is nearly here.
Return it. If a few thousand of you do, Apple might consider being more transparent when they put on the media dog & pony shows for new products.
No, it relates to a known issue with the graphic adapter eventually failing because of a manufacturing fault, and Apple agreed to repair them even if out of warranty. Most failed years ago but mine lasted 5 years. Luckily it broke just before the program ended! The repair invoice (which was voided) was £558. Makes you wonder how much a logic board replacement will cost when it's got a 1TB SSD soldered to it.
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My regular MacBook Pro 13" had the SATA cable fail so many times. Each time Apple mistakenly identified it as a bad HD and said I would lose all my data. Thank God I could just unseat the drive and put it in an enclosure, get my data, off, put it back in the computer and let Apple "fix" the drive (the SATA cable).
I have a retina MBP now. All important documents get saved to the cloud (not iCloud) and I keep my documents folder on a permanently inserted Flash drive.
I have a retina MBP now. All important documents get saved to the cloud (not iCloud) and I keep my documents folder on a permanently inserted Flash drive.
Similar here - John from 'beyond' needs a look a bit beyond himself to understand the frustrations.
lots of ignorant comments along the lines of 'if you need more storage just plug in a USB drive.
Well given that USB-C and TB3 drives are not terribly common yet, and they wont be near as fast as the SSD, that is only a solution for archiving stuff you don't need later, and doing it when you have spare time.
The real issue is that you cannot buy a 512gb model. Then when you are topped out on that a year from now or so, mosey on over to the OWC SSD page and order up a bigger SSD, along with the kit to migrate your data.
I've done it dozens of times on my own Macs, friends Macs, and (professionally) on Macs at work.
The non-upgradable ram was annoying. This is super lame.
Another issue I see here is that this makes warranty repair a joke. Everything is on the logic board now. The only real warranty repairs they will be doing are screen and trackpad. If your logic board fails you just lost everything you did not have backed up. On previous models you could just yank the SSD and put it in another Mac of the same model. Aside from software auth based on hardware ID like MAC address this just worked.
I'm having a very hard time talking myself into buying one of these. Hackintosh on a Windows laptop with better hardware is looking more attractive. Or take a gander at the refurbs....
Well given that USB-C and TB3 drives are not terribly common yet, and they wont be near as fast as the SSD, that is only a solution for archiving stuff you don't need later, and doing it when you have spare time.
The real issue is that you cannot buy a 512gb model. Then when you are topped out on that a year from now or so, mosey on over to the OWC SSD page and order up a bigger SSD, along with the kit to migrate your data.
I've done it dozens of times on my own Macs, friends Macs, and (professionally) on Macs at work.
The non-upgradable ram was annoying. This is super lame.
Another issue I see here is that this makes warranty repair a joke. Everything is on the logic board now. The only real warranty repairs they will be doing are screen and trackpad. If your logic board fails you just lost everything you did not have backed up. On previous models you could just yank the SSD and put it in another Mac of the same model. Aside from software auth based on hardware ID like MAC address this just worked.
I'm having a very hard time talking myself into buying one of these. Hackintosh on a Windows laptop with better hardware is looking more attractive. Or take a gander at the refurbs....
Wonderful. Yet the failure of ANY component on the mainboard just went up in price significantly and is required for a CPU, GPU, RAM, Wifi, TB, or SSD failure. I doubt the $310 flat rate will remain if/when these start going in for repairs.
Speaking of the need for backups and external drives, while it's common knowledge that the USB-C dongles are heavily discounted at the moment, you might not know that you can also get 25% off USB-C LaCie Porsche Design mobile drives as well. So anyone who thinks they might need one (and it also works with USB) might consider getting one before the end of the year because it's a great price. I picked up a 4TB to use for Time Machine backups.
Not true at all. The damage being repaired can't be your fault (or the cost is higher). I've had mainboard and a screen replaced for $310 where I've had a dent and chips in the case. (two different occasions). I'm sure it helps to be polite.
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Suddenly, after all these years, they are going to stop it? Ok.
So, everyone complaining has, in fact, previously replaced the SSD on their Apple notebooks, right? You're not just whining about the inability to do something you've never previously done, right?