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Should I go for it?

  • Buy now

    Votes: 25 35.7%
  • Wait

    Votes: 45 64.3%

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Nice deal, battery life seems to be different for people, some say that after the last MacOS update it's got better.
Yeah could not really say no...I mean it is (the price) less than the 13 inches at the end of the day, so considering the larger display, the faster could and the video card .....

I don't think I use the computer for more than 6 hours unhooked, so hopefully I can get at least that much...
 
Yeah could not really say no...I mean it is (the price) less than the 13 inches at the end of the day, so considering the larger display and the video card .....

I don't think I use the computer for more than 6 hours unhooked, so hopefully I can get at least that much...

If you have any issues you can always return it or contact Apple customer service, they are usually very good.
 
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Its not a huge deal, but why spend 3k on a machine that offers less connectivity?

Because it's the same conectivity if you use dongles. We're going in circles, here.

I already explained, in several posts, the reasoning behind going all usb-c/tb3. For a very minor inconvenience you get 4 super-ports that not only support any device in existence (yes, with dongles or new cables), they also provide more functionality and take up less space. So that's why you spend $3000.

You get reversable, more durable, universal ports that charge your computer and take less space and you get four of them (instead of one or maybe two on competing devices). And it moves the industry forward.

Worst case scenario - you buy a few dongles or cables for older devices. For a long list of benefits that will only get better in time?

You may dislike it, but don't call it less conectivity. It's anything but.
 
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why spend 3k on a machine that offers less connectivity?
Indeed. Fortunately the new MBP offers more connectivity, by a lot, in terms of capacity and flexibility.

Ended up with a 15 inches MBP 2016.....

Found a deal on Amazon who has it at 450€ less than Apple so could not really pass that offer...

Scared about battery life, but I can return it if not satisfied.
Why are you scared about battery life? It's the best it's ever been for the 15" for light to moderate use.
 
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Scared because reports are saying the opposite, smaller battery and low life..Hopefully it is good enough ;)
 
Scared because reports are saying the opposite, smaller battery and low life..Hopefully it is good enough ;)
There's a lot of mythology out there, much of it repeated here by people who should know better. Stick to reliable sources, such as review sites that do carefully controlled tests. For light use, such as web browsing with Safari and streaming video at moderate screen brightness, you should be able to match Apple's spec of ten hours. It may take a few days of indexing, operating system break-in, and a couple battery cycles for battery life to settle into a predictable groove.
 
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Because it's the same conectivity if you use dongles. We're going in circles, here.
You're right but by the same token, other computer makers offer more ports for less money. The 2016 model has less ports then its predecessor and for me it impacts my usage. To others, it doesn't and that's fine.
 
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You're right but by the same token, other computer makers offer more ports for less money. The 2016 model has less ports then its predecessor and for me it impacts my usage. To others, it doesn't and that's fine.


Saying it impacts your usage is perfectly fine. You're not wrong. I am not claiming this is somehow better for you, but you don't see it. However, the fact that it's worse for you (and that is really up to you and no one can claim otherwise) does not mean some objective facts are not as they are. It does have less "port openings" than it's predecessor, true. However, it does not have "less ports", depending on your usage. Because, I had a previous MBP for three years, and I only had 2 USB ports there, which meant I had to unplug either my Wacom or my tethered iPad all the time. Now I can attach 4 devices (I use one pass-through adapter with an usb port and hdmi, the rest are usb-c cables).

Again, this does not mean it's better for you. But, surely, you can see it's not "less ports" for everyone. I literally can attach more devices than before. With one small adapter, I have charging, usb and hdmi on one port, and three more usb ports. Now I have both my iPad, my Wacom and my HDMI external monitor attached, one external drive (that I couldn't keep plugged in before) and one port to spare.

Oh, and the fact that I can charge my Switch with my MacBook charger is just a plus :)

So, you see how this is not 'less ports' for me, in fact it's a great value. There is no universal truth here, it all depends on the user.
 
In my opinion:
W A I T

How long? and Why?
The late 2016 MacBook Pro 15" is the best Mac and PC Laptop I ever owned, fast and silent, a lot of memory and with 4 full thunderbolt 3 ports the best connectivity available.
Even if the next is a little bit faster with more memory, for me the only reason to update would be a pen enabled touch screen.
 
How long? and Why?
The late 2016 MacBook Pro 15" is the best Mac and PC Laptop I ever owned, fast and silent, a lot of memory and with 4 full thunderbolt 3 ports the best connectivity available.
Even if the next is a little bit faster with more memory, for me the only reason to update would be a pen enabled touch screen.

Not who you originally asked, but here's why I'm personally waiting. Yes, the 2016 MBP 15" is great, and being 2 MBP generations behind, I've been dying for one. However, Kaby Lake offers better efficiency, slightly better performance, and it's more future-proof than Skylake. Kaby Lake can play 4K much more efficiently and more easily than Skylake. 4K videos are the future, and I'd rather have a computer that will be able to play them back much more efficiently and better than the current option. Now, I don't need a new laptop yet. My current MBP is suiting my needs fine for now, so I'm able to wait longer, but yeah.
 
Not who you originally asked, but here's why I'm personally waiting. Yes, the 2016 MBP 15" is great, and being 2 MBP generations behind, I've been dying for one. However, Kaby Lake offers better efficiency, slightly better performance, and it's more future-proof than Skylake. Kaby Lake can play 4K much more efficiently and more easily than Skylake. 4K videos are the future, and I'd rather have a computer that will be able to play them back much more efficiently and better than the current option. Now, I don't need a new laptop yet. My current MBP is suiting my needs fine for now, so I'm able to wait longer, but yeah.


While it's not a bad idea to wait if you don't need a computer 'now' - out of curiosity, I have to ask - what 4K? Because, the current MBP can play 4K videos, certainly, what you probably mean is copy-protected 4K videos like Netflix, that require Kaby Lake. And for Netflix to run in 4K, you need Windows anyway. And if you plan on hooking it up to a 4K TV, you already have all you need for 4K viewing on the TV itself. What do you plan on watching on the MBP that you cannot do now?

If you're interested in 4K Netflix/similar, I'd recommend you just save up for a 4K TV. But I'm curious to hear your reasoning.
We've had 5K iMacs for almost 2.5 years now and no one even mentioned 4K Netflix and suddenly that is 'a thing' - just because Intel doesn't have anything else to offer with a very small update that is Kaby Lake.
 
While it's not a bad idea to wait if you don't need a computer 'now' - out of curiosity, I have to ask - what 4K? Because, the current MBP can play 4K videos, certainly, what you probably mean is copy-protected 4K videos like Netflix, that require Kaby Lake. And for Netflix to run in 4K, you need Windows anyway. And if you plan on hooking it up to a 4K TV, you already have all you need for 4K viewing on the TV itself. What do you plan on watching on the MBP that you cannot do now?

If you're interested in 4K videos, I'd recommend you just save up for a 4K TV. But I'm curious to hear your reasoning.
We've had 5K iMacs for almost 2.5 years now and no one even mentioned 4K Netflix and suddenly that is 'a thing' - just because Intel doesn't have anything else to offer with a very small update that is Kaby Lake.
Yeah, not much of an issue for streaming movies to watch, but it might be useful for those editing in 4K with h.465. I don't know how well FCPX handles that already, though.
 
While it's not a bad idea to wait if you don't need a computer 'now' - out of curiosity, I have to ask - what 4K? Because, the current MBP can play 4K videos, certainly, what you probably mean is copy-protected 4K videos like Netflix, that require Kaby Lake. And for Netflix to run in 4K, you need Windows anyway. And if you plan on hooking it up to a 4K TV, you already have all you need for 4K viewing on the TV itself. What do you plan on watching on the MBP that you cannot do now?

If you're interested in 4K Netflix/similar, I'd recommend you just save up for a 4K TV. But I'm curious to hear your reasoning.
We've had 5K iMacs for almost 2.5 years now and no one even mentioned 4K Netflix and suddenly that is 'a thing' - just because Intel doesn't have anything else to offer with a very small update that is Kaby Lake.

"While the x86 side mostly gets its boost from the process improvements, the video, or media, block engine in Kaby Lake gets bigger upgrades, such as hardware support for encoding and decoding 10-bit 4K HEVC video codecs as well as 4K VP9. Not a codec nerd? Intel says the upshot is that playing a 4K 10-bit HEVC video will offer a 2.6x battery-life improvement and cut power consumption from 10.2 watts on Skylake to 0.5 watts on Kaby Lake. If you watch 4K video on YouTube using the Chrome browser, you can expect 1.75x more battery life over a comparable laptop, and power consumption will drop from 5.8 watts to 0.8 watts."

Source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3111...ings-to-know-about-intels-kaby-lake-cpus.html

I'm mostly interested in that efficiency they're talking about. It's not that 4K can't be ran on the current MBPs (except the copy-protected 4K videos), it's just that it's much more efficient. Let's say I don't even watch 4K as much as I expect to. Just knowing the computer is more capable and more efficient when I want to watch 4K is worth it to me. However, this is only relevant because I'm able to wait longer. If I really needed a new laptop now, I'd get a Skylake MBP now. It's just that since I'm able to wait and we're about halfway through the current MBP cycle, I'd rather wait and get the newest tech, even if it's only minor improvements.
 
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"While the x86 side mostly gets its boost from the process improvements, the video, or media, block engine in Kaby Lake gets bigger upgrades, such as hardware support for encoding and decoding 10-bit 4K HEVC video codecs as well as 4K VP9. Not a codec nerd? Intel says the upshot is that playing a 4K 10-bit HEVC video will offer a 2.6x battery-life improvement and cut power consumption from 10.2 watts on Skylake to 0.5 watts on Kaby Lake. If you watch 4K video on YouTube using the Chrome browser, you can expect 1.75x more battery life over a comparable laptop, and power consumption will drop from 5.8 watts to 0.8 watts."

Source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3111...ings-to-know-about-intels-kaby-lake-cpus.html

I'm mostly interested in that efficiency they're talking about. It's not that 4K can't be ran on the current MBPs (except the copy-protected 4K videos), it's just that it's much more efficient. Let's say I don't even watch 4K as much as I expect to. Just knowing the computer is more capable and more efficient when I want to watch 4K is worth it to me. However, this is only relevant because I'm able to wait longer. If I really needed a new laptop now, I'd get a Skylake MBP now. It's just that since I'm able to wait and we're about halfway through the current MBP cycle, I'd rather wait and get the newest tech, even if it's only minor improvements.
I don't know if there's much point to watching 4K Youtube videos on a 15" screen. Even if the MBP screen were 4K (which it isn't, and probably still won't be), you still wouldn't be able to see the difference from lower resolution without fogging the screen with your nose, if then. Pretty much any 4K TV, which would be a suitable screen, will stream 4K video all by itself. For HD video, Kaby Lake doesn't offer nearly as much of an advantage for viewing.

This isn't to say there's anything wrong with waiting.
 
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Saying it impacts your usage is perfectly fine. You're not wrong. I am not claiming this is somehow better for you, but you don't see it. However, the fact that it's worse for you (and that is really up to you and no one can claim otherwise) does not mean some objective facts are not as they are. It does have less "port openings" than it's predecessor, true. However, it does not have "less ports", depending on your usage. Because, I had a previous MBP for three years, and I only had 2 USB ports there, which meant I had to unplug either my Wacom or my tethered iPad all the time. Now I can attach 4 devices (I use one pass-through adapter with an usb port and hdmi, the rest are usb-c cables).

Again, this does not mean it's better for you. But, surely, you can see it's not "less ports" for everyone. I literally can attach more devices than before. With one small adapter, I have charging, usb and hdmi on one port, and three more usb ports. Now I have both my iPad, my Wacom and my HDMI external monitor attached, one external drive (that I couldn't keep plugged in before) and one port to spare.

Oh, and the fact that I can charge my Switch with my MacBook charger is just a plus :)

So, you see how this is not 'less ports' for me, in fact it's a great value. There is no universal truth here, it all depends on the user.
Your user case would of held a modicum of water until you noted you added an "adapter" with 3 ports for your current configuration

You could of added an "adaptor" (admittedly maybe not as small and neat but would of had even more ports etc with a small hub) to your previous configuration

Therefore your new MBP also had insufficient ports for you, just the solution with the new "adaptor" is far more elegant etc than would of been possible previously

The other bonus of the new MBP is the ports are far more capable of course, but we were not discussing this.

The fact is you chose to add an adaptor to your new MBP and not the old one :rolleyes: but agreed a nicer solution but nothing to do with value, just an advantage in some scenarios.
 
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How long? and Why?
The late 2016 MacBook Pro 15" is the best Mac and PC Laptop I ever owned, fast and silent, a lot of memory and with 4 full thunderbolt 3 ports the best connectivity available.
Even if the next is a little bit faster with more memory, for me the only reason to update would be a pen enabled touch screen.
No, for me it is not the best and fully bugged... I used one for 15 days and i sent it back to use again the 2015.
I again suggest to wait.
 
However, it does not have "less ports",
I think you're splitting hairs.

2015 MBP HDMI port, SD card slot.
2016 MBP lacks HDMI, SD card slot.

To my eyes, seeing the prior model having a port and the newer model not having that port reads it has less ports, or if you will functionality. Yes, I can buy something else to re-add that functionality. When I look at the computer there are less ports. Doesn't matter if I use them or not. It may not matter to people, I'm not arguing that, but from a black and white perspective, if were to the buy the 2016 MBP, and try to plug it into my TV via HDMI, I cannot (until I buy something else additionally). If I buy the 2015 MBP, I can plug that into my TV, no need to buy any additional products.

So yes, out of the box (whether it matters to the purchaser), the 2016 MBP has less ports. I understand the ports it comes with are very powerful, fast and flexible, I'm not arguing that but rather what's included.
 
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I think you're splitting hairs.

2015 MBP HDMI port, SD card slot.
2016 MBP lacks HDMI, SD card slot.



So yes, out of the box (whether it matters to the purchaser), the 2016 MBP has less ports.

Number of devices you can attach:

DP monitors
2015: 2
2016: 4

USB-C monitors:
2015: 0
2016: 4

HDMI monitors:
2015: 1
2016: 4

USB devices:
2015: 2
2016: 4

Thunderbolt 2 devices:
2015: 2
2016: 4

Thunderbolt 3 devices:
2015: 0
2016: 4


Proves my point. Even with adapters, the 2015 is severely limited in number of devices you can use. For example, if you need more than 2 powered usb ports, you need a hub with its own power supply. 2016 simply has better connectivity: you can use more modern devices with it - out of the box. And even with older devices - with a few adapters you can use more of them than on the 2015. model (where all the adapters in the world won't help you if you want 4 monitors or 4 power-demanding usb devices - and not to mention TB3 devices).

Again - there are situations where a 2015 MBP will be more practical. But the 2016 will still work, while you can't say that the other way around. And it's just wrong to say you get "less connectivity". I just showed you how you get a lot more connectivity. If you don't see it, any further discussion is pointless.
 
You could of added an "adaptor" (admittedly maybe not as small and neat but would of had even more ports etc with a small hub) to your previous configuration

The adapter is just one small thing for just one of four devices. As I mentioned previously, the MBP 2015 couldn't drive that many devices even with an adapter. There is no way you can attach 4 screens, with or without adapters. There is also no way you can attach more than two usb devices that require power without a self powered usb hub (yup, with its own power brick). Also, you cannot use TB3 devices.

So, a 2016 MBP can use everything a 2015 can, but can handle twice the number of devices, and also devices that the 2015 can't use even with adapters. So, how is that "less conectivity"? Please explain this to me, because I know I wasn't able to hook up my Wacom, my iPad and my usb drive on my 2013 MBP at the same time, even if I bought an adapter or a hub (unless that hub was one of those clunky bricks with their own power source), but I can do it easily, with just a few new cables on the 2016. And yeah, so I use this tiny adapter for HDMI, big deal.

I'm honestly starting to believe you guys are deliberately twisting the truth. I always hated the "you must work for Apple" comments on these forums, but I almost believe some of you are working for some competitor. I can't explain it otherwise.
 
2 weeks ago i sent my 2016 macbook pro for a new replacement and apple pushed my arrival date to may 7-8.In total i have to wait 1.5 month .The question is should i cancel , get a full refund and wait for the new series?In real I am not in a rush because and then i have to wait 21 days or more.
 
2 weeks ago i sent my 2016 macbook pro for a new replacement and apple pushed my arrival date to may 7-8.In total i have to wait 1.5 month .The question is should i cancel , get a full refund and wait for the new series?In real I am not in a rush because and then i have to wait 21 days or more.
Depends completely on what matters to you, which you know better than the rest of us.
 
The adapter is just one small thing for just one of four devices. As I mentioned previously, the MBP 2015 couldn't drive that many devices even with an adapter. There is no way you can attach 4 screens, with or without adapters. There is also no way you can attach more than two usb devices that require power without a self powered usb hub (yup, with its own power brick). Also, you cannot use TB3 devices.

So, a 2016 MBP can use everything a 2015 can, but can handle twice the number of devices, and also devices that the 2015 can't use even with adapters. So, how is that "less conectivity"? Please explain this to me, because I know I wasn't able to hook up my Wacom, my iPad and my usb drive on my 2013 MBP at the same time, even if I bought an adapter or a hub (unless that hub was one of those clunky bricks with their own power source), but I can do it easily, with just a few new cables on the 2016. And yeah, so I use this tiny adapter for HDMI, big deal.

I'm honestly starting to believe you guys are deliberately twisting the truth. I always hated the "you must work for Apple" comments on these forums, but I almost believe some of you are working for some competitor. I can't explain it otherwise.
Oh dear :rolleyes: being paranoid has never been an attractive trait

I don't see anyone denying the capabilities/specifications of the new MBP ports

I simply commented on your specific user case example :rolleyes: (Which had nothing to do with 4 screens etc etc) I even agreed that your current configuration was much more elegant solution and agree with more potential but the fact is you still need adaptors in both scenarios ............. The End.
 
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