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Just about everything is going up because of these tariffs. Was just talking my local bike shop, they are no longer selling kids bikes because they have gone up about $120 each. So, I a nice kids bike that would cost about $100, is $220 now.
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I'm assuming you forgot the /s...
Tariffs can't be total reason for a bike increasing in price by over 100%!
 
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I'm looking for a post that discusses how China treats their workers. They have suicide nets outside buildings to ensure employees don't off themselves during their shift. Maybe this will force China to improve working conditions and wages. But Trump though....right?
You know, I really couldn't care less about how China treats their workers. They can do anything they want. They are a communist dictatorship, and we have no grounds to reason with them or try to make their society more equitable. We should concentrate on creating an environment here that promotes better treatment of our own workers.
 
It is amazing how stupid some Americans (and Brits - "leaders") applaud when some wreck their own country.
No company, even Apple can "handle a 50% tariff with the size of their margins".
That's a wet dream and gamer fantasy. I'm sure it hurts AAPL.
Americans can be glad that California still has strong and smart companies to invest in around the world.
Lol those companies are being stolen from by China. And forever will be until someone tells them to stop.
 
Can’t wait for your job to be offshored to India or China or AI.

You want slave labor in China to make your overpriced 50% profit margin device instead of an American because you care about value. Lol
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Let’s vote for someone who watches millions of manufacturing jobs go to China because it makes Wallstreet rich.
Do you really think Trump’s trade war is going to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.? Statistically the opposite is happening. They are still bleeding away. Now we get a recession caused by a trade war, and no increase in manufacturing jobs. Lose-lose.
 
If China doesn't need us why are they cheating us?

Look at our farmers, we had to give them billions because of all this crap, China told the US to keep our soybeans, they bought them from another county. There is a trade imbalance because we need them more then they need us. That is how this works, and under the current administration, we just keep shooting ourselves in the foot. And guess what we as the taxpayers get to pay the bill.
 
Thank you to all Trump voters.
You are welcome.

Life with Hillary - hmmmm think about it. She'd give us away to the highest bidder.
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This will hurt AAPL.
I doubt it.
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Yes. Let Americans pay more for stuff. That will teach everyone a lesson.

Only one laughing is USSR.
China stealing intellectual property, as well.
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How did it go for you in the 2018 midterms?
FISA report wasn't out, yet. Dems were on the offensive. Republicans are on the offensive, and in the driver's seat, now. It will be a blood bath when it all gets revealed before the 2020 election cycle.
 
Don't worry, China is begging for a trade deal, right?

It'll happen sooner, or later, or maybe never. But in the meanwhile, hang on Americans!

I think the biggest problem is the forced transfer of American technology to Chinese companies. US companies that produce in China need to transfer intellectual property and technology to the Chinese company, that was the start to this whole debacle. In the end, Apple would need to leave China because of this i would think.

https://prospect.org/article/coerced-tech-transfer-heart-china-problem
 
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A grocery bill for a family of four for just a couple days costs at least $100; normally more than that. So, $100 for a bike that is supposed to last for several years is an unreasonable expectation. Yet, you can go to Walmart and buy a kid's bike for $50. It will start falling apart within days, but yet, it's there for you to purchase.

Oh I know I’ve seen them. They’re death traps. Some of them aren’t even assembled correctly which seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I ride off road and road bikes and in both categories $1k is the reasonable entry for decent bikes. Used is a great deal if you can find the right bike.
 
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I don't think the tariffs are ever going away, so get used to them. The govt needs the revenue and it's easier than doing a full blown VAT. The 25% pickup truck retaliatory tariff of 1962 hasn't gone away either.
 
There is no need to upgrade your tech every year so everyone just chill out and enjoy what you have.

Don’t be in a rush to get the next greatest thing, it’s not gonna make you one of the cool kids.
Not being able to understand the position or plight of others and just how many of them there are is precisely what gets countries into trade wars and makes criminals/game show hosts/social media experts suddenly electable.
 
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Make America Great Again!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... By paying up for our nationalistic, protectionist bribe sucker....


"Actually, it benefits Americans to pay more for stuff. That gives us an opportunity to make that stuff here less efficiently, and still pay more for it, which you would know if you didn't hate America." - Sheep

But I thought Dems want more taxes? Or perhaps only when they aren't the ones being taxed.

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That doesn’t hurt Apple... they will eventually pass it off to consumers. Thanks failure of a President

Yeah, record low unemployment and increased wages is a total failure. Hmmm.
 
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We don't make a lot of things in the US anymore. What are we going to be selling to China? Cars? In a year or two, they won't be buying our cars anymore. They ripped off our IP, and their cars are getting to be pretty decent now. They even have EVs now that will be competing with Tesla soon.
The world doesn't need physical things nearly as much as we'd like to believe. The U.S. is responsible for the biggest expert in the world which is culture. Our software/entertainment industries are 10x larger than anything we import. As soon as we understand that, we can bring it to the table and use that to negotiate a real position, not this tariff joke.
 
Apple complains that the tariff puts them at a disadvantage when compared to Samsung?

Big deal, Apple has been given every opportunity to move production out of China before the tariffs hit, but has chosen not to, sorry, but they are going have to live with the consequences.
 
Trump’s own products are made there because he had to compete with others who had already moved manufacturing there. In reality, Trump doesn’t make anything. He simply licenses his trademark. If all neckties are made in China, that’s where “his” neckties are going to be made.

You can’t blame Trump, as a businessman, for trying to cut costs, when he has to compete with other businesses that manufacture in China. As President, he is doing something to stop the outsourcing insanity. He has always been against outsourcing manufacturing. But, to compete in business, you have to do things you do not endorse.
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Additionally, Canada is the closest to us culturally country, and the salaries there are similar to ours.

Are you kidding me? There are many companies out there producing clothes in the USA and still making money. You were speaking of ties? Just one example for you so you don’t have to buy Trumps ties in the future.
https://www.olemasonjar.com/collections/ties

The only thing he has ever been competitive in is prime ********ting people. Like a Bernie Madoff or some other crook. Trump could have easily let somebody produce his maga hats in the US, charge an obscene amount and make a fortune.
 
This is so funny to watch, as I don't intend to buy any more Apple product, haven't purchased anything from them in a few years.

First, Tim Apple is taking advantage of unprivileged labor who work long hours for little pay. At least now they have fences and nets so they don't kill themselves anymore by jumping out the window.
Oh, forgot, in order for China to manufacture they must control all the trade secrets and patents. There's that.
Next, they pollute their environment with all this manufacturing and poor public infrastructure. Take some time to look for YouTube videos where the government transit workers are packing the trains full of people in China. It's amazing this sort of thing is happening on this planet.
Next, they put all that stuff on boats and planes that are killing our oceans (boats exhaust into the water, in case you didn't know). Who knows what else those boats leech into the water. Planes pollute the sky.
Finally, Tim Apple and all his bean counters figure the maximum price they can charge. And they do.

So now, we're trying to bring manufacturing back here with robots, cleanly.
And we're raising money for the government. Everyone was complaining about the deficit, now's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. And don't forget, you can also donate to the US Treasury, there's a web site set up for just that. Maybe Tim Apple, Bill Microsoft, Oprah, Bernie and Warren Buffet will actually do that instead of hiring their army of tax accountants to get them to pay the minimum they need to while the rest of us sheep do what we do.
 
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Are you kidding me? There are many companies out there producing clothes in the USA and still making money. You were speaking of ties? Just one example for you so you don’t have to buy Trumps ties in the future.
https://www.olemasonjar.com/collections/ties

The only thing he has ever been competitive in is prime ********ting people. Like a Bernie Madoff or some other crook. Trump could have easily let somebody produce his maga hats in the US, charge an obscene amount and make a fortune.
I think you are having a hard time separating Trump the businessman from Trump the visionary. Trump has had this vision of the US being taken advantage of even in the 1980s. There's a famous Trump interview with Larry King done in 1987, where he was saying EXACTLY the same things as he was saying during his election campaign in 2015-2016. Trump has been consistent in his views, and regardless of your opinion of Trump, he has been implementing every single promise he made during his campaign. In fact, he is the only President in my memory that has been meticulously implementing every single promise he made during his campaign.

Trump has been against outsourcing manufacturing by US businesses back in the 1980s. He was raising concerns about the US trade deficit and unfair trade back in the 1980s. Larry King even asked him in that interview if he had given a thought to running for President, and Trump said he was hoping that there would be a politician with similar views who runs for President. He had no intentions back then to run for President even though he had a very solid ideological platform to run on that was quite different from both the Democrat and the Republican political platforms.

However, Trump the businessman had to play by the same rules as his competition was playing in order to be able to compete and survive. So, the fact that he had his products manufactured in China doesn't discount the fact that he was wishing no one could outsource manufacturing to China. When you compete, you sometimes have to play by the rules you don't necessarily like. He couldn't change the rules when he was a businessman, but he decided to become a politician in order to change the rules that he has hated all along. That's exactly what he is doing now; he is changing the rules that he has always considered unfair to the US.

I don't endorse Trump's behavior, but I support his trade war with China 100%.
 
I think you are having a hard time separating Trump the businessman from Trump the visionary. Trump has had this vision of the US being taken advantage of even in the 1980s. There's a famous Trump interview with Larry King done in 1987, where he was saying EXACTLY the same things as he was saying during his election campaign in 2015-2016. Trump has been consistent in his views, and regardless of your opinion of Trump, he has been implementing every single promise he made during his campaign. In fact, he is the only President in my memory that has been meticulously implementing every single promise he made during his campaign.

Trump has been against outsourcing manufacturing by US businesses back in the 1980s. He was raising concerns about the US trade deficit and unfair trade back in the 1980s. Larry King even asked him in that interview if he had given a thought to running for President, and Trump said he was hoping that there would be a politician with similar views who runs for President. He had no intentions back then to run for President even though he had a very solid ideological platform to run on that was quite different from both the Democrat and the Republican political platforms.

However, Trump the businessman had to play by the same rules as his competition was playing in order to be able to compete and survive. So, the fact that he had his products manufactured in China doesn't discount the fact that he was wishing no one could outsource manufacturing to China. When you compete, you sometimes have to play by the rules you don't necessarily like. He couldn't change the rules when he was a businessman, but he decided to become a politician in order to change the rules that he has hated all along. That's exactly what he is doing now; he is changing the rules that he has always considered unfair to the US.

I don't endorse Trump's behavior, but I support his trade war with China 100%.
To be honest I stopped reading when you called Trump a visionary. The only vision the man has is to make himself larger than life. It has nothing to do with him being a business man or a politician. It is a character flaw.
 
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This is so funny to watch, as I don't intend to buy any more Apple product, haven't purchased anything from them in a few years.

First, Tim Apple is taking advantage of unprivileged labor who work long hours for little pay. At least now they have fences and nets so they don't kill themselves anymore by jumping out the window.
Oh, forgot, in order for China to manufacture they must control all the trade secrets and patents. There's that.
Next, they pollute their environment with all this manufacturing and poor public infrastructure. Take some time to look for YouTube videos where the government transit workers are packing the trains full of people in China. It's amazing this sort of thing is happening on this planet.
Next, they put all that stuff on boats and planes that are killing our oceans (boats exhaust into the water, in case you didn't know). Who knows what else those boats leech into the water. Planes pollute the sky.
Finally, Tim Apple and all his bean counters figure the maximum price they can charge. And they do.

So now, we're trying to bring manufacturing back here with robots, cleanly.
And we're raising money for the government. Everyone was complaining about the deficit, now's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. And don't forget, you can also donate to the US Treasury, there's a web site set up for just that. Maybe Tim Apple, Bill Microsoft, Oprah, Bernie and Warren Buffet will actually do that instead of hiring their army of tax accountants to get them to pay the minimum they need to while the rest of us sheep do what we do.
You are comparing Bernie's wealth to that of Warren Buffet?
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To be honest I stopped reading when you called Trump a visionary. The only vision the man has is to make himself larger than life. It has nothing to do with him being a business man or a politician. It is a character flaw.
Of course he is a visionary. He is much more of a visionary than Tim Cook could ever be.

It's an attribute of a visionary to formulate a political platform that goes pretty much against the mainstream parties and opinions, then run on that political platform without any prior experience and win Presidency against all odds and contrary to all the pundits. If you think Trump is a dummy, than you don't understand how the real world works. He may be a con man, but he is no dummy. He also has uncanny intuition to make right decisions in the fields that he knows very little about. All of these qualities are clearly those of a visionary. Tim Cook has none of those qualities.

Trump was able to find top-notch economists who subscribed to his own vision of how the US should proceed in its trade policies vis-à-vis other countries. The trade deals that Trump is renegotiating are based on his own vision, which he voiced publicly on Larry King Live over 30 years ago. You should watch that interview to understand that what's happening today is Trump's vision from 30 plus years ago. He also sounds much more intelligent and coherent in that interview than he does nowadays.
 
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Good thing I had no plan to buy any of those products.

In the end, when this is over, we will have cheaper imports from China.

Have some vision and patience...
 
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