That SERIOUSLY depends on which 5 series you are talking about. They range from the 170ish HP 525 to the 400hp M5.
Sorry, completely off topic, but I am a Bimmerhead.
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That SERIOUSLY depends on which 5 series you are talking about. They range from the 170ish HP 525 to the 400hp M5.
Sorry, completely off topic, but I am a Bimmerhead.
Rj,
The only problem with your suggestion is....
1. I have to use XP and not OSX.
2. The computer is hot on the hands. (the palm rests)
3. I have to go to several palces to get the exact same software that runs so much better (iApps).
Instead I buy and Apple. It looks good. People are wowed. And I can do so many more things that are far better and easier on my mac then on windows.
4. I do not have to worry about viruses
5. My computer does not crash.
6. My computer does not crash.
7. While working on mission critical items my computer does not crash.
I have tried switching to windows TWICE. First time I bought an equivalnt in price and performace HP.
Went back to my Mac.
Second time I bought a Toahiba. This time it was the outgoing model... for only $900. IT was heavier... but it was not a real computer.
As my tagline normally says....
Windows nice gaming machines... but I would not want to do any real work on one.
The only problem with your suggestion is....
1. I have to use XP and not OSX.
2. The computer is hot on the hands. (the palm rests)
3. I have to go to several palces to get the exact same software that runs so much better (iApps).
Instead I buy and Apple. It looks good. People are wowed. And I can do so many more things that are far better and easier on my mac then on windows.
4. I do not have to worry about viruses
5. My computer does not crash.
6. My computer does not crash.
7. While working on mission critical items my computer does not crash.
I have tried switching to windows TWICE. First time I bought an equivalnt in price and performace HP.
Went back to my Mac.
Second time I bought a Toahiba. This time it was the outgoing model... for only $900. IT was heavier... but it was not a real computer.
As my tagline normally says....
Windows nice gaming machines... but I would not want to do any real work on one.
Re: Dells vs Apples
There are no PC rumor site ala Mac Rumor sites because Intell and AMD put out roadmaps for there chip production. Everthing else is just custom order. The reason for Mac rumor sites is because of Apple's tightlipped security. I have often wondered if much of Apple's buzz is more a factor of its fanatical attention to secrecy than to its productline. This is not to say that they are not innovative or anything else... its just that nobody in the PC world gets really worked up over speedbumps. Hopefully with the 970 we can experience this lack of hype. It will be so humdrum because it will happen every quarter.
About the relative worth of a 3 year old mac vs. a 3 year old PC.... it that more of a function of the current price of the mac. Its too expensive to upgrade to faster system so they stay with their current model longer. I don't believe it has anything to do with the relative worth of the components. Remember, the components of an Apple are the same as a PC except for the motherboard. Yes Apple seems to do a better job with QC but so do some PC companies. PC depreciate faster because there are more product refresh cycles vs. the mac products.
I have yet to buy my first mac but I am looking forward to the new 15" powerbook so I can snap one up. I have bailed from the hardware upgrade addiction. I believe that the Mac will provide a better experience for my money. This based on a year-from-Hell of virii and like. I have never had a problem before and openly mocked those who had as morons who shouldn't be behind a keyboard. Not anymore. I want something that just works, that I don't have to update the lastest security patch every week in order to have peace of mind.
By the way, just because some one decided to buy a Dell other than a Mac doesn't make them less informed or intelligent. That kind of name calling just exposes your own ignorance of computer issues. If he bought a Dell and is happy with it that's fine. I'm not sure why he's hanging out here unless he's got more cash to buy another computer and is looking for a Mac. In that case, hardware comparisons are not the way to go. Its better to show why OSX doesn't need the fastest hardware around because of its tight integration with existing hardware. If he's just trolling than leave him alone. You can't win against a troll no matter what platform they worship.
There are no PC rumor site ala Mac Rumor sites because Intell and AMD put out roadmaps for there chip production. Everthing else is just custom order. The reason for Mac rumor sites is because of Apple's tightlipped security. I have often wondered if much of Apple's buzz is more a factor of its fanatical attention to secrecy than to its productline. This is not to say that they are not innovative or anything else... its just that nobody in the PC world gets really worked up over speedbumps. Hopefully with the 970 we can experience this lack of hype. It will be so humdrum because it will happen every quarter.
About the relative worth of a 3 year old mac vs. a 3 year old PC.... it that more of a function of the current price of the mac. Its too expensive to upgrade to faster system so they stay with their current model longer. I don't believe it has anything to do with the relative worth of the components. Remember, the components of an Apple are the same as a PC except for the motherboard. Yes Apple seems to do a better job with QC but so do some PC companies. PC depreciate faster because there are more product refresh cycles vs. the mac products.
I have yet to buy my first mac but I am looking forward to the new 15" powerbook so I can snap one up. I have bailed from the hardware upgrade addiction. I believe that the Mac will provide a better experience for my money. This based on a year-from-Hell of virii and like. I have never had a problem before and openly mocked those who had as morons who shouldn't be behind a keyboard. Not anymore. I want something that just works, that I don't have to update the lastest security patch every week in order to have peace of mind.
By the way, just because some one decided to buy a Dell other than a Mac doesn't make them less informed or intelligent. That kind of name calling just exposes your own ignorance of computer issues. If he bought a Dell and is happy with it that's fine. I'm not sure why he's hanging out here unless he's got more cash to buy another computer and is looking for a Mac. In that case, hardware comparisons are not the way to go. Its better to show why OSX doesn't need the fastest hardware around because of its tight integration with existing hardware. If he's just trolling than leave him alone. You can't win against a troll no matter what platform they worship.
Powerbook update potential
I've been following these forum boards since june. I know there's an eminent PB update in the works. My question is relatively simple, and perhaps someone can explain to me why this possibility has not been addressed for so long. At least for the last several weeks we've sorted guessed at the now current fact that imac updated would soon be released with 1.0 ghz and 1.25 ppc G4 processors. We've also known for a while that motorola has had some problems getting those 7457 boards into Apple's hands. Did anyone consider the remote possibility that these anticlimactic 7457 board updates were intended for the imacs all along, and were never really intended for PBooks? It sounds like there could have been a mix up somewhere in the rumor pipeline (no kidding..really?). Someone please enlighten me. Perhaps there's still hope for a more exciting PB revelation in the coming weeks (dare I say week?)
I've been following these forum boards since june. I know there's an eminent PB update in the works. My question is relatively simple, and perhaps someone can explain to me why this possibility has not been addressed for so long. At least for the last several weeks we've sorted guessed at the now current fact that imac updated would soon be released with 1.0 ghz and 1.25 ppc G4 processors. We've also known for a while that motorola has had some problems getting those 7457 boards into Apple's hands. Did anyone consider the remote possibility that these anticlimactic 7457 board updates were intended for the imacs all along, and were never really intended for PBooks? It sounds like there could have been a mix up somewhere in the rumor pipeline (no kidding..really?). Someone please enlighten me. Perhaps there's still hope for a more exciting PB revelation in the coming weeks (dare I say week?)
1*13.4*9.5 = 127.3 inches^3 and 1.2*12.4*10.1 = 150.29 inches^3
150.29/127.3=1.18 ... the dell d600m is 18% bigger than PB 15" and the 600m is a 14" . You know my oven cost about 1000$ maybe i can compare it to ibook, the door is bigger, the oven is more hot and it can make brownies !!!! the oven win over ibook.
please i do not want tto compare those thing. so it's the last reply i write about DELL vs PB.
Re: Re: Re: So...
Until that point, I hope that we can agree to disagree. But not everyone will blindly state that an Apple product is superior, just because it has that gnifty logo on the lid.
-Richard
Ah. This is, I feel, where we at least differ. I can't wait until I feel your quote to be completely true. I'm willing to bet, though, that if Apple did significantly rev their powerbook lines (as has been requested) to be competitive, to the same level that they did their powermac line, that many of those here would agree that the older ones, ie: the current ones, were indeed inferior.
Until that point, I hope that we can agree to disagree. But not everyone will blindly state that an Apple product is superior, just because it has that gnifty logo on the lid.
-Richard
Re: Re: Re: Re: So...
Richard, I think you're making some good points. There is some truth, however, to the above statement.
You may not understand it simply because you're good at using PCs. I, unfortunately, am not. For me, using my Mac is intuitive. Using my PC (1.6 GHz P4- good computer, but not as nice as my iMac) is not. It's as if the operating system assumes you've mastered the previous version.
Now we all admit that PCs are relatively cheap but if I can't use that computing power, it's not much use to me. Perhaps if I took some time to educate myself more on Windows XP, I would be just as happy as I am with my Mac. But my time is worth more than the premium I paid for my Mac and OS X.
Squire
Richard, I think you're making some good points. There is some truth, however, to the above statement.
You may not understand it simply because you're good at using PCs. I, unfortunately, am not. For me, using my Mac is intuitive. Using my PC (1.6 GHz P4- good computer, but not as nice as my iMac) is not. It's as if the operating system assumes you've mastered the previous version.
Now we all admit that PCs are relatively cheap but if I can't use that computing power, it's not much use to me. Perhaps if I took some time to educate myself more on Windows XP, I would be just as happy as I am with my Mac. But my time is worth more than the premium I paid for my Mac and OS X.
Squire
RJ you're preaching to the wrong people...
RJ, i went trough all the hassle of register to the forums with the only intention of telling you this:
I've been using PC's for the last 15 years, and for all that time i was a beta tester, went from DOS 3.1 upto 6.22 and then from Win 3.0 to Win XP beta testing and paying my MS tax every two years, but, hear this, i never KNEW i was a beta tester until, last year, switched to a REAL OS and found out about reliability, simplicity, and that you can actually like, trust and enjoy a computer. I hope someday PC's will leave the beta-testing phase, because, scream all you want, a PC is a bloody beige box, and i don't care if it's painted black or green, if it's small or big, for god's sake, it's cheapness is well beyond price.
I hope you will grown out of it, or, as someone else said somewhere, "if you use a PC and enjoy it, you actually DESERVE a PC".
Have a great week!
Leo
RJ, i went trough all the hassle of register to the forums with the only intention of telling you this:
I've been using PC's for the last 15 years, and for all that time i was a beta tester, went from DOS 3.1 upto 6.22 and then from Win 3.0 to Win XP beta testing and paying my MS tax every two years, but, hear this, i never KNEW i was a beta tester until, last year, switched to a REAL OS and found out about reliability, simplicity, and that you can actually like, trust and enjoy a computer. I hope someday PC's will leave the beta-testing phase, because, scream all you want, a PC is a bloody beige box, and i don't care if it's painted black or green, if it's small or big, for god's sake, it's cheapness is well beyond price.
I hope you will grown out of it, or, as someone else said somewhere, "if you use a PC and enjoy it, you actually DESERVE a PC".
Have a great week!
Leo
Re: Re: So...
That's not a fair point in talking about backward compatibility. If software companies had to provide that kind of backward compatibility then our Word documents could be openned with Word v1, and we'd have no where near the feature set that we have today, because the format that Word v1 saved to is incompatible with it. On the other hand, can Word XP export back to Word 97 format? There you have backward compatibility.
Another aspect of backward compatibility, though, and a fair one to bring up in this context, is how old a system can Word XP run on and still give you decent performance? I remember at one point I loaded ClarisWorks 4 (shortly after it first came out) onto an old (i.e. 7 year old) Mac (I had to use a network connection because CW4 was on CD and the old Mac didn't have a CD drive). I was astonished to see that it ran perfectly. While it couldn't handle some of the larger files that my other Mac could, due to memory restrictions (4MB RAM, max), it still worked flawlessly, and quite snappily. Now that's backward compatibility...
That's not a fair point in talking about backward compatibility. If software companies had to provide that kind of backward compatibility then our Word documents could be openned with Word v1, and we'd have no where near the feature set that we have today, because the format that Word v1 saved to is incompatible with it. On the other hand, can Word XP export back to Word 97 format? There you have backward compatibility.
Another aspect of backward compatibility, though, and a fair one to bring up in this context, is how old a system can Word XP run on and still give you decent performance? I remember at one point I loaded ClarisWorks 4 (shortly after it first came out) onto an old (i.e. 7 year old) Mac (I had to use a network connection because CW4 was on CD and the old Mac didn't have a CD drive). I was astonished to see that it ran perfectly. While it couldn't handle some of the larger files that my other Mac could, due to memory restrictions (4MB RAM, max), it still worked flawlessly, and quite snappily. Now that's backward compatibility...
Re: Re: Re: So...
Isn't MS trying to stop backward compatibility with the DRM stuff it is putting into it's new server software and eventual Palladium* system. I thought the DRM in its new open office software was going to require people to upgrade because it would no longer be compatibile. Am I wrong about this? Aren't they trying to bring the same DRM restrictions into the next OS?
If I'm wrong, forgive me - I don't know all the details.
* Yeah I know they changed the name, I just can't remember what they are calling it now.
Isn't MS trying to stop backward compatibility with the DRM stuff it is putting into it's new server software and eventual Palladium* system. I thought the DRM in its new open office software was going to require people to upgrade because it would no longer be compatibile. Am I wrong about this? Aren't they trying to bring the same DRM restrictions into the next OS?
If I'm wrong, forgive me - I don't know all the details.
* Yeah I know they changed the name, I just can't remember what they are calling it now.
Just for the record, my statement was in response to your statement:
I never said that the powerbook wasn't smaller than the Dell. I don't see how you could class it as huge, though.
Look, if you want to believe that everything Apple does is perfect, then fine. Wait for the 10% speedup, pay the $3000, and be happy. Just don't try to convince people who actually use both systems that Apple's hardware (I have always maintained that OSX is great software) is superior to that of the competition, when it isn't.
-Richard
Re: Re: Re: So...
Sorry, maybe I didn't convey my point as well as I should have.
The point I was trying to make (and probably went off on a tangent), was that a *large* majority of us do NOT require the new features that most of these software products provide. Yet we are compelled to upgrade for the compatibility aspect.
Sorry, maybe I didn't convey my point as well as I should have.
The point I was trying to make (and probably went off on a tangent), was that a *large* majority of us do NOT require the new features that most of these software products provide. Yet we are compelled to upgrade for the compatibility aspect.
A brand new nifty PC may have more ghz than my year old PB, it may have more pixels on the screen, it may be almost as thin as my PB and have bluetooth built in, be loaded with a floppy drive and have loads of traditional ports.
But the year old obsolete Powerbook I work on uses every piddly mhz it has very efficiently, the screen is actually the right shape to watch wide screen movies and put two pages of text side by side, I dont worry about leaving a big space at the side of my PB to allow for some cheapo plastic tray to shoot out. I never ever need or hanker for a floppy drive and all serial and PS2 connected kit is in the dustbin. And not one PC user has ever said, Jesus what a butt ugly machine. Style and looks arent the primary reasons for owning a Mac, but it certainly helps.
And I didnt actually pay $1000 over and above the discount price of a great PC for my hardware as it came bundled with the much hailed OSX that doesnt work on a PC and it came with all the iApps and a few connectors and a sexy mains adapter and changed my perception of a computer from a box that does tasks, to a machine that I am relaxed to sit at and am happy to create with.
Of course Id like to pay less and have more, but I am happy that what I have is good enough for me and my multi media projects for the next couple of years, and will be plenty good enough for the simple daily computer needs of all but one of my family for quite a few years.
But the year old obsolete Powerbook I work on uses every piddly mhz it has very efficiently, the screen is actually the right shape to watch wide screen movies and put two pages of text side by side, I dont worry about leaving a big space at the side of my PB to allow for some cheapo plastic tray to shoot out. I never ever need or hanker for a floppy drive and all serial and PS2 connected kit is in the dustbin. And not one PC user has ever said, Jesus what a butt ugly machine. Style and looks arent the primary reasons for owning a Mac, but it certainly helps.
And I didnt actually pay $1000 over and above the discount price of a great PC for my hardware as it came bundled with the much hailed OSX that doesnt work on a PC and it came with all the iApps and a few connectors and a sexy mains adapter and changed my perception of a computer from a box that does tasks, to a machine that I am relaxed to sit at and am happy to create with.
Of course Id like to pay less and have more, but I am happy that what I have is good enough for me and my multi media projects for the next couple of years, and will be plenty good enough for the simple daily computer needs of all but one of my family for quite a few years.