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Re: 15" update coming even sooner than expected?

Originally posted by Nobs
Both ClubMac and MacMall have lowered their prices an additional $50 on the 867's bringing the price to $1940.83!

Hmmmm...they really want these things out of here...could we see an update even sooner than WWDC?

Yes, most definitely. They will not announce laptops at a developer conference. Maybe PowerMacs but not laptops.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: channel clearing ...

Originally posted by MacBandit
If any mention of the PPC970 is made at the WWDC I'll eat my sock.

Cotton or wool your sock? If I were you I would get rid of all your socks so you can't technically honor this...
MacBidouille (can you believe it?) are saying this morning that some corporate sales people are dropping more hints about a 'new computing platform' being announced at WWDC. They are quite vague about the actual availability though...

NicoMan
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: channel clearing ...

Originally posted by NicoMan
Cotton or wool your sock? If I were you I would get rid of all your socks so you can't technically honor this...
MacBidouille (can you believe it?) are saying this morning that some corporate sales people are dropping more hints about a 'new computing platform' being announced at WWDC. They are quite vague about the actual availability though...

NicoMan

Like I said it's not a bet it's more then likely it will happen by pure accident at the shock of all of it. I still don't buy it that it will happen before August or September at the earliest.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: channel clearing ...

Originally posted by MacBandit
Like I said it's not a bet it's more then likely it will happen by pure accident at the shock of all of it. I still don't buy it that it will happen before August or September at the earliest.

I personally think that the 970 will be announced at WWDC but that we won't get machines before end of july (of course I would like to be pleasantly surprised) and that those boxes that are ready for the 24th of June (another MacBidouille rumor, if I remember correctly), are the 15" AluBook...

C'mon, Apple, bring it on!

NicoMan
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
I personally think that the 970 will be announced at WWDC but that we won't get machines before end of july (of course I would like to be pleasantly surprised) and that those boxes that are ready for the 24th of June (another MacBidouille rumor, if I remember correctly), are the 15" AluBook...

C'mon, Apple, bring it on!

NicoMan

yeah, it seems that all things are pointing to a couple of things being anounced at WWDC. especially the fact that Apple said to "come and see the future of Apple", or something to that effect, suggesting a future OS and hardware.
 
Originally posted by NicoMan
I personally think that the 970 will be announced at WWDC but that we won't get machines before end of july (of course I would like to be pleasantly surprised) and that those boxes that are ready for the 24th of June (another MacBidouille rumor, if I remember correctly), are the 15" AluBook...

C'mon, Apple, bring it on!

NicoMan

yeah, it seems that all things are pointing to a couple of things being anounced at WWDC. especially the fact that Apple said to "come and see the future of Apple", or something to that effect, suggesting a future OS and hardware.
 
Originally posted by jimthorn
I hope the new prices on the PowerBooks stay in effect when the new 15" AlBooks arrive. I don't think I could resist one for under $2000.

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. The 'new' prices are almost certainly simply discounts to clear out older inventory before the new models are released. You might be able to still get the older models at these prices, but I'd bet good money that the new models will jump back to the regular price.
 
delivery

All powerbooks, powermacs, ibooks, imac and emacs are showing 30 day delivery on the apple store. Either a big mistake or a big change.
 
Re: delivery

Originally posted by LSP
All powerbooks, powermacs, ibooks, imac and emacs are showing 30 day delivery on the apple store. Either a big mistake or a big change.

Bummer....I checked and saw the 30 day thing on everything but the iPod. But now the computers have switched back to "same day."

On a different note, anyone else think that Panther will include a resolution independent version of Quartz? Then Apple could start using these high res notebook monitors that are used on PCs with little or no drawbacks; could always expand things up when reading small text, or leave things smaller when using things like Photoshop. Resizing of icons works amazingly well, especially if you've seen how other OS's look when they do it (pretty ugly). Dell had what, a 1920 x 1200 on one of their laptops.
 
Re: Re: delivery

Originally posted by rmac
Bummer....I checked and saw the 30 day thing on everything but the iPod. But now the computers have switched back to "same day."

On a different note, anyone else think that Panther will include a resolution independent version of Quartz? Then Apple could start using these high res notebook monitors that are used on PCs with little or no drawbacks; could always expand things up when reading small text, or leave things smaller when using things like Photoshop. Resizing of icons works amazingly well, especially if you've seen how other OS's look when they do it (pretty ugly). Dell had what, a 1920 x 1200 on one of their laptops.

Huh, what are you talking about. Resolution independent version of Quarts? For all of us who use Multiscan CRTs Quarts works no matter what the resolution. Is there some specific thing you are trying to describe?
 
Re: Re: 15" update coming even sooner than expected?

Originally posted by MacBandit
Yes, most definitely. They will not announce laptops at a developer conference. Maybe PowerMacs but not laptops.

Steve has made it clear that this is the year of the laptop....
 
Re: Re: Re: delivery

Originally posted by MacBandit
Huh, what are you talking about. Resolution independent version of Quarts? For all of us who use Multiscan CRTs Quarts works no matter what the resolution. Is there some specific thing you are trying to describe?

I think he is refering to the possibility of specifying the fonts (and other graphical elements) in actual real-world size, so that higher rez doesn't mean smaller icons/fonts. I'm not sure I'm being very clear...
Oh well.

NicoMan
 
Re: Re: Re: 15" update coming even sooner than expected?

Originally posted by Ugg
Steve has made it clear that this is the year of the laptop....

Are you basing that on one comment that was made five months ago? If so, I'm afraid you've been taken in by marketing speak. Yes, Apple will release updated PowerBooks. They may release them side-by-side with the new Power Macs. They may release them with 970 processors. They may release them at the WWDC. But none of that has anything to do with it being 'the year of the laptop'. That was just marketing back when they weren't expecting to be able to have the 970s in hand until Q3 or Q4 of this year. Now, if we're to believe everything that we've been hearing, they've got the 970 as much as six months ahead of when they expected them, so they can produce new computers accordingly.

Also, don't believe everything Uncle Steve tells you. Sometimes he likes to tell us bed time stories to make us sleep a little better... :p
 
I think when he said the Year of The Laptop, he meant it was the year I am getting a laptop....hopefully. I really want a 15 in. Aluminum, with at least a 1GHz (preferebly a 1.2), backlit keyboard, bluetooth, airport, firewire 800, etc....
 
Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
I think when he said the Year of The Laptop, he meant it was the year I am getting a laptop....hopefully. I really want a 15 in. Aluminum, with at least a 1GHz (preferebly a 1.2), backlit keyboard, bluetooth, airport, firewire 800, etc....

You got that right! I really want that backlit keyboard. Although the 17" is nice it is just too big and the 12" is just too small. Hype, marketing, bed time story or whatever, it is the computer that I want.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 15" update coming even sooner than expected?

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Are you basing that on one comment that was made five months ago? If so, I'm afraid you've been taken in by marketing speak. Yes, Apple will release updated PowerBooks. They may release them side-by-side with the new Power Macs. They may release them with 970 processors. They may release them at the WWDC. But none of that has anything to do with it being 'the year of the laptop'. That was just marketing back when they weren't expecting to be able to have the 970s in hand until Q3 or Q4 of this year. Now, if we're to believe everything that we've been hearing, they've got the 970 as much as six months ahead of when they expected them, so they can produce new computers accordingly........


That's kind of what I've been thinking less the part about the 970s. Basically they can release all the different hardware where ever and do nothing with the laptops for the rest of the year and in Apples eyes it would still be the year of the laptop. The reason is that the primary product they pushed for the first 6 months of the year is the laptop. Marketing wise that establishes it as the product for the year. Also they have the best laptop lineup the way it sits right now that they have had ever. I think that alone makes it the year of the laptop.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: delivery

Originally posted by NicoMan
I think he is refering to the possibility of specifying the fonts (and other graphical elements) in actual real-world size, so that higher rez doesn't mean smaller icons/fonts. I'm not sure I'm being very clear...
Oh well.

NicoMan


That sounds reasonable. While it would be nice to have adjustable font size and type on the desktop I hardly find it necessary since 99% of my work is done from within applications on the the finder. Nearly all the apps I use have adjustable font size so I can run the resolution as high as I want and still adjust the text to the point I can read it. If I have to use the finder I just click the monitor menu at the top of the screen and switch to a lower res. I don't really have to do this it's kind of a theoretical proposition. The only app I ever have to adjust text in is Safari. In any case I don't think Apple puts the lower res screens on their laptops and displays because of limitations in the finder. I think they do it simply because LCDs have a native resolution if that resolution is extemely high it becomes a problem for a lot of people and programs. This is because by running an LCD at any other resolution then it's native resolution causes everything to blur slightly. So what you get is a video game that can't be driven above 1024x768 all of a sudden looks blury. Someone that doesn't want to have to adjust the text size or a novice that doesn't know how to will have a blurry screen because they have to run at a lower resolution. Also what is the advantage of running a higher resolution and then increasing the size of icons and fonts you end up with the same amount of screen space. You would have more programs like photoshop but you wouldn't be able to read any of the tabs or buttons. The only answer with LCDs is to get a bigger screen or additional ones.
 
Screen Resolution

Originally posted by rmac
anyone else think that Panther will include a resolution independent version of Quartz? Then Apple could start using these high res notebook monitors that are used on PCs with little or no drawbacks; could always expand things up when reading small text, or leave things smaller when using things like Photoshop. Resizing of icons works amazingly well, especially if you've seen how other OS's look when they do it (pretty ugly). Dell had what, a 1920 x 1200 on one of their laptops.

Sorry for the confusion about what I was trying to describe. NicoMan got what I was trying to say.

I use Photoshop a lot, and so when I used the word "resolution", I was thinking in terms of ppi (pixels per inch), not pixel dimensions for the screen (1024 x 768, etc). When you think in terms of ppi, the greater the number, the more image data can be resolved in a given area. Right now we are pretty limited in terms of how we can use higher ppi resolutions: namely, things just get crammed into a smaller real-world area on the screen. If you use a CRT, as has been pointed out, you can change the resolution to take advantage of this real-world size change. LCDs are not as flexible, as has also been pointed out. Go lower than the native resolution and things get fuzzy. Can't go over the native resolution.

So if the LCD resolution on your Powerbook is fixed, you can only get the flexiblity of a CRT by being able to adjust the pixel dimensions of GUI elements. I mentioned icons before as it's an example we can see now. Open your home directory, view it as Icons, then go to View Options. Drag the size up to 128. The pictures on the folders suddenly have a lot more detail you can see. Now I usually leave the size at 48 on my 19" CRT at 1600x1200. I could make it smaller, but at 32x32 pixels your back to OS 9 detail. If my monitor had twice the ppi size, I could make them be the same size on the screen at 96, in which case they'd be sharper than before; at 48 they'd be smaller yet still the same level of detail. Plus I have all the sizess in between to play around with.

Now if Apple can do size changes for icons in small, 4 pixel increments, why can't they do the same with every GUI element: scrollbars, buttons, text, etc.? The difficulty would come in making things scale in relation to eachother when needed (e.g. text in buttons). Font size in points is a real world measurement, not a pixel measurement. So in some ways it's kind of silly for a 12pt font to get smaller when you change the ppi of a monitor. We've learned how to use this to our advantage, but isn't necessarily logical to the average user.

In conclusion, higher ppi screens means you can have either more screen real estate, with everything smaller on the screen, or things the same size but much sharper. Either way it sounds better to me than current resolutions (especially on the 14" iBook, and 15" iMac). A 1024 x 768 video game is never going to be optimal on a 15" Powerbook or any of the widescreen Macs. Either have black edges on the sides or you have to use non-native resolution.
 
Re: Re: Re: channel clearing ...

Originally posted by NicoMan
In terms of timing, I seem to remember that those price cuts happen at least 3 to 4 weeks before the actual update.

I agree and I also recall that they occured just before the end of a financial quarter (presumably to boost unit sales figures) ...

cheerz!
 
Re: Screen Resolution

Originally posted by rmac
Sorry for the confusion about what I was trying to describe. NicoMan got what I was trying to say. ..............


Thanks for clearing that up. I agree there is no reason that they could go to a higher density screen and just make everything larger in the GUI. The only problem is keeping developers on tract so there programs aren't tiny looking. It should be doable with the cocoa guidlines but there's a lot of bad code out there even with cocoa. It would be cool though to have higherdensity (more detail) screens. I personally believe that unless LCDs change dramatically I will always have a CRT for a main monitor. I'll use it for games and whatever else that requires resolution changes also you just can't beat the pixels/inch that you get with a CRT especially for the dollars.
 
am waiting for the pb15 too although the tibook right now has a very attractive price.

for what's it worth, my 'friend' in apple says the pbs will all be updated but won't come up until august (but with delays which is likely, maybe sept or oct).
 
Re: Screen Resolution

Originally posted by rmac
NicoMan got what I was trying to say.
But it was a bit confused in my head too. Thanks for your detailed clarification. I definitely couldn't have said it better.

NicoMan
 
Originally posted by jackburton
am waiting for the pb15 too although the tibook right now has a very attractive price.

for what's it worth, my 'friend' in apple says the pbs will all be updated but won't come up until august (but with delays which is likely, maybe sept or oct).

I find that highly suspect. It places the 15" well outside what has been the target update cycle for the PowerBooks (as it's right at update time now), and even pushes the 12" and 17" beyond what would would be expected. Now, that being said, I'll also stand by my earlier statements that the longer we have to wait for the updates, the more likely it is that we will see a processor upgrade and not just a speed bump (which it's questionable if they even could do that with the current G4s).
 
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