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Happy to see all the positive reviews and comments about the new 16" MBP. I'm still rocking my 15" 2018 MBP and it's great for what I do. (mainly computer/network support and writing) Also I actually like the feel of the butterfly mechanism keyboard and have had no issues with it. Anyway, one question:

I see all these complaints about the 720p camera. Just curious what do you all use the laptop mounted camera for? I do Skype and Zoom and FaceTime and it's been totally fine. Nobody has complained about the image quality. Do you guys use something special that needs a higher rez cam? Or is it just the idea that a $2400 plus computer "only" has a 720p cam. Just not sure what the complaints about it are. I would like it to have Face ID eventually just for convenience but otherwise, quality seems fine.
The iPhone has a higher res FaceTime camera ... people do notice when you have a crisper image. 720p just isn’t acceptable in 2019 let alone acceptable on a high end Pro laptop.
 
Kind of random, but about geekbench.. .

Awhile back i compared cost of Mac computers to their geekbench result, and i found that when similarly equipped with storage and memory, the dollars to geekbench ratio was almost exactly the same for every machine.

Well, it was multi-core points per dollar, and it was around 7 points per dollar....on every machine. I made a spreadsheet. No matter what machine , what processor. The only exception was the top mac mini....but when you add the thunderbolt display, it was the same as every other machine.

I havent updated the spreadsheet for awhile. I should, though....
Very interesting, can you share this spreadsheet with us?
 
(Oh yeah, this is almost exactly the configuration im looking at, and the geekbench result is just a hair better than 2x the speed of my 2013 2.3ghz (4 core) machine. My rule has been to upgrade when a new machine is 2x the speed of my old one, so I pretty much have to buy one now.)

Snap! I also have the late-2013 2.3GHz MBP, and and strongly considering the new MBP because it is likely to be a significant upgrade - about twice as fast as you say. I often wonder why people, even professional users like me, would be tempted to upgrade for a mere 10-20% increase in performance. Sure, there are use cases such as video rendering, where 20% equates to significant time (save 10 minutes on a 1 hour render), but for the majority of tasks (application development, photo processing, document preparation etc.), the difference is probably barely noticeable compared to the time spent actually thinking about the work and interacting with the computer.

100% increase feel like the right trigger point for an upgrade....reaching for credit card......
 
So you ordered the 8-core i9, the 5500M, the 1TB SSD, but only got 16GB RAM? I don’t understand. I guess this makes sense if you don’t plan on keeping it, which I guess a MacRumors reviewer probably wouldn’t.
 
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The iPhone has a higher res FaceTime camera ... people do notice when you have a crisper image. 720p just isn’t acceptable in 2019 let alone acceptable on a high end Pro laptop.

Well said - these laptop FT cameras are total garbage.
Let's please quit the excuse making for Apple on this.

They simply went cheap on that part.
One need not go "full FaceID" to put a much better webcam in there.
 
So you ordered the 8-core i9, the 5500M, the 1TB SSD, but only got 16GB RAM? I don’t understand. I guess this makes sense if you don’t plan on keeping it, which I guess a MacRumors reviewer probably wouldn’t.

It's the base configuration for the $2,799 machine, so we got what it came with.
 
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What's the high end GPU like - is it closing in any meaningful way vs using an eGPU for eg video work etc?
 
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I wish that Apple would add motion sensors to the key backlighting. I only need it on when I'm typing. I don't want the keys lit up on my nightstand when I'm not using it, so I turn it off. Then I have to fumble around for the button when I do want the backlighting.
 
I'll wait the obligatory 4-6 months before purchasing. Call me crazy, but I'm very confident Ive left Apple because he disagreed with this move.

Next to Jobs Ive is the BSD. It's unlikely that Ive would exit because his team disagrees with him. He could just RIF the entire design team and start over. My guess is that the design team has heard the public outcry and wanted to implement the changes but Ive has put his foot down. After he left, for whatever reason, the team was free to do the right thing.

More importantly AAPL has seen the excellent reviews and increased sales from making the iphone 11 and MBP thicker. At the end of the day a $1T company responds to profits. Hopefully they have received enough positive reinforcement that increasing thickness is the win win move for everyone.
 
I can't see myself buying a new machine without at least 32GB/64GB of ram. So i'll wait until that version is on the shelves to purchase.
 
I too was hoping for FaceID to migrate to the macbooks. I think given the user's positioning it makes even more sense than on the iPhone. In addition Windows already has Hello. Then reality hit. Take a look at the thickness of the FaceID module then look at the thickness of the macbook display assembly. Keep in mind that some of the bezel thickness is being used for the LCD driver and antenna. It's not going to happen without some R&D investment. Rumors tell us that Apple is indeed trying to make the FaceID module smaller but they are trying to decrease the height, not thickness, so that they use a thin border on the iPhone and remove, or minimize, the notch. I don't see Apple developing a new ultrathin (if even possible) FaceID module solely for the macbook as it's a relative niche product compared to the cash printing iPhone. I've now downgraded my hope to a lazy camera upgrade. They can even keep the 720p but at least upgrade the lens and/or sensor. The macbook pro cameras look like 2012 tech and contrasts sharply with the iphone 11. I realize all the non-facetime users don't care but there are many of that do use it.
No one likes Face ID better than I do, but I just don't find that I need to use a password nearly as often on my computer as I do on my phone so I really don't see how valuable Face ID is on a computer compared to Touch ID. I am genuinely curious if other people use Touch ID/a password often enough on their computers where they'd really like something like Face ID, and what those situations are.
 
No one likes Face ID better than I do, but I just don't find that I need to use a password nearly as often on my computer as I do on my phone so I really don't see how valuable Face ID is on a computer compared to Touch ID. I am genuinely curious if other people use Touch ID/a password often enough on their computers where they'd really like something like Face ID, and what those situations are.

Consider my use case. I have all my passwords to my bank accounts, and other websites, stored in keychain and usually logged in. Thus I would naturally have my computer set to auto lock quickly as my computer is used in an environment where others have access to it. This requires constant re-authentication just like on the iPhone. Reaching for a fingerprint sensor which doesn't always read on the first try is more of a hassle than just automatically unlocking everytime you're in front of your computer. I also use Windows laptop with Hello and it really does add a lot of convenience. Yes, first world problems.
 
I can't see myself buying a new machine without at least 32GB/64GB of ram. So i'll wait until that version is on the shelves to purchase.

Really...because Apple keeps a special version in stock at their stores that is semi-maxed out, for the 16” the configuration is 2.4GHz/32GB/2TB SSD/8GB 5500M for $3899. We look forward to hearing about your purchase!
 
So the iPhone’s single core CPU perf is 37% higher than the 16" MBP, and the 16" doesn’t even beat it on multi-core by 2x despite the fact that the MBP has 8 cores and the iPhone has only 2 fast ones and 4 slow ones. Intel is hot garbage compared to Apple's silicon. The ARM Macs can't come soon enough. They're going to deliver performance increases like the world has never seen.
Geekbench is not a legitimate cross platform test (ie comparing Arm based A-series to Intel Core i9).
 
Geekbench is not a legitimate cross platform test (ie comparing Arm based A-series to Intel Core i9).
Yes it is, they both run the exact same code.

the only possible criticism is each test is quite short so wouldn’t be as valid for long running processes.
 
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