16-Inch MacBook Pro With All-New Design Expected in 2019, 13-Inch Model May Gain 32GB RAM

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Good that you can drive 4 displays; now a laptop that is for the "regular" user that has all the ports that the 2015 MacBook Pro had. Face it, Apple just found it cheaper to use 4 USB-C ports, undisturbed from the motherboard; actually a lazy move.

A $60 Dock takes care of ALL of that. And you know what? If the next person (or even you on another Project) needs a different complement of Ports, guess what? You can do that, too!

Face it: Docks and "Dongles" provide, for the very first time, nearly all of the I/O flexibility of a conventional Tower computer with peripheral cards, but at a fraction of the cost and complexity.

You can put all the ports you want onto a laptop; but you won't come within a Hectare of the Fifty-Two Simultaneous Ports you can "break out" a 4-Port USB-C/TB3 MacBook Pro to, using USB-C/TB3 Docks.
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It's been over two years. How far along has the general market gone in terms of that happening? Is price parity the same?

It isn't unheard of for some people having to purchase a few hundred dollars in dongles or simply an all in one unit like OWC's offerings just go get functionality they seek.

Considering the overwhelming saturation of USB-A, and the fact that every USB-C port IS a USB-A Port, I would say that around 5 years would be more likely.

But it is happening. Every month, you can go to Amazon and see more and more USB-C (and TB3) "native" peripherals.
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Will this be the first ARMbook, I wonder. I figured it would coincide with the next major overhaul, though this is sooner than I had assumed. I'm curious, for the 15 or now 16 inch, if they'd also make the GPU part at the same time as the ARM switch, whole hog all the silicon at once.

I'd hope it's still two distinct chips, as that will always allow a higher TDP than a single SoC, without the CPU and GPU right next to each other on the same die.

I think it will be a fairly long time before we see an ARM-based MacBook PRO. The ARMs will be introduced in the "consumer" machines (MacBook (or possibly MBA), and low-end iMac) first. Then, the higher-end machines will eventually follow suit.

I do believe that the Mac Pro and iMac Pro will likely never be ARM.
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Its amazing how Apple just doesn't get it. Consumers are begging for these features and they don't put them in.

What is the reason for disrespecting your consumer like that?

For the same reason Henry Ford didn't concentrate on making Faster Horses...

 

[windywalks]

And you know the pricing based on a rumour?

As if you haven't seen Apple's current pricing tactics.

 

[Surf760]

Well, my 2016 12" Macbook had the SSD take a dump after barely 2.5 years, so I guess it's time to have to buy another laptop. Was hoping to wait a year, but if they do the redesign this year instead of next then that will help ease the pain. Until then I'll keep running the thing off an external usb-c ssd drive that's like 1/3 the speed of the internal drive, making a useable computer slow.

a 14" to go with the 16" would be the sweet spot for me. I don't take 50+ flights a year anymore so no longer need ultra portability and would rather some extra screen real estate over the 12", but also don't need to bust out a gigantic computer on little spaces everywhere. If nothing else at least they've gotten lighter. My old 17" G4 Powerbook was spine bending in college.

 

[Heineken]

As if you haven't seen Apple's current pricing tactics.

Pricing you are assuming would practically take it off the table for most people. This would defeat the idea of selling any substantial quantity of these laptops.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Good but base on their cycle, it's too soon. They make an all-new design MacBook pro every 4 years. So I doubt they gonna release it in this year.

Apparently you forgot that Apple totally revamped the GPU in the current generation MacBook Pro less than a year after it shipped. I'm happy that the iPhone business is stagnating. Something has to force Apple to re-focus on its PC business.

 

[NoSoup4U]

Guessing much reduced bezels because of the size. About time.

I was thinking the same thing: same size as the current 15", but no bezels. That's essentially 16".

 

[Rhapsody]

I've been a Mac user for many years. I still have a 2013 15" rMBP and I've had 2 15" TouchBar MBPs at work. I was so disappointed with the new MBP's keyboard, the lack of ports, same resolution screen as in 2012, and no user serviceability that I ended up buying a PC laptop this year. I was able to get all of the ports I wanted, including USB-C, a 4K screen, a decent keyboard, upgradeable RAM and SSD, and about the same size and weight of the older rMBP. I miss Mac OS X and the Mac trackpad but it was much cheaper and it's so convenient to not have to carry dongles for USB, HDMI, mDP, and a card reader. Some coworkers of mine have had an even worse experience with broken keyboards, display connectors, and other issues that I never saw happen on older MBPs.

I'm not sure if I will buy another Apple product in the future and it's disappointing because I used to really like them and I've had many friends switch on my recommendation. Even my iPhone had the issue where it would randomly shut off once the battery dropped below 60%. They replaced the battery for free as part of a repair extension program. Then a year later, same problem. The guy at the store tried to tell me this time it's because the iPhone was old and not the battery. I said replace the battery anyway, paid $30, and sure enough it fixed the problem. I had Apple devices need servicing in the past and I always had a much better experience. I wasn't second guessed and on a couple occasions, they gave me brand new higher spec devices. It's even worse for the customer now that none of the machines are user serviceable.

 

[pedalshoe]

Nice to know, but hopfully, no touch bar!!

 

[atikalz]

It can start at $4000 for all that matters; it should have MagSafe, SD-card slot, 2 USB type A housing for the USB-C ports, two regular full featured USB-C ports, HDMI and an audio-jack.

And, no bloody Touch Bar!

And e Keyboard thats reliable, even when Not working in a dust free clean room.

 

[baypharm]

Pricing you are assuming would practically take it off the table for most people. This would defeat the idea of selling any substantial quantity of these laptops.

What about the current 15 inch MBP? If you "max" it out you are looking north of $6600. How many people do you suppose are able to afford it? It certainly isn't priced for the masses.

 

[Dave245]

No it hasn’t it was 2016 when they announced the MacBook Pro, it’s now 2019, that’s 3 years!

 

[iKrivetko]

Apparently you forgot that Apple totally revamped the GPU in the current generation MacBook Pro less than a year after it shipped. I'm happy that the iPhone business is stagnating. Something has to force Apple to re-focus on its PC business.

TIL adding new premium options is synonymous to totally revamping.

 

[WaltCD]

No iMac news?

 

[Tozovac]

A $60 Dock takes care of ALL of that. And you know what? If the next person (or even you on another Project) needs a different complement of Ports, guess what? You can do that, too!

Face it: Docks and "Dongles" provide, for the very first time, nearly all of the I/O flexibility of a conventional Tower computer with peripheral cards, but at a fraction of the cost and complexity.

Sure, and while we’re hamstringing a portable laptop with having to also tote around a goodie bag weighing more than the laptop, why not just tote around a MacBook mini and then a small monitor and keyboard?

 

[PickUrPoison]

I still remember the time I payed $2000 for my 17"MBP.
I don't see that happening now.

It must have been on sale Mostly they were $2,799, a couple years $2,499. In 2010 there was an entry level model at $2,299 but it went back to $2,499 in 2011.

With the 15.4” at $2,399, if they switch to a 16.0-16.5” screen I could see $2,499 or 2,599.

 

[Salty Pirate]

 

[smirking]

No it hasn’t it was 2016 when they announced the MacBook Pro, it’s now 2019, that’s 3 years!

And the 2016 was pretty close to being a 2017. It's been less than 3 years.

 

[TracesOfArsenic]

My wishlist:

• 15"
• no touchbar
  
• touch ID
• a proper battery (that supports pro work)
  
• a keyboard that doesn't **** the bed if I look at it sideways
• Wild card: USB-A (a la iMac Pro), Magsafe

There's tonnes more regression I'd like fixed but who am I kidding, I'm having a laugh even hoping they'll fix these things.

 

[Sabelonada]

Well ahead of the last Roadmap I saw with a Late 2019/Early 2020 release date, Intel is detailing a few 9th Gen 45w TDP H-Series CPUs destined to be heating up laps all around the world - https://www.anandtech.com/show/13969/intel-details-new-9th-gen-cpus-for-notebooks-9980hk-9300h

This is not a formal announcement by Intel and everything is subject to change. If Intel actually delivers in Q2/2019, things will get very interesting, very quickly. A cursory search on 14nm production issues netted me zero updated news, while production constraints were predicted to last throughout the first half of 2019.
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I believe all of Microsoft's computers (Surface Pro, Surface Laptop 2 and Surface Studio) are using a 3:2 aspect ratio. We can discuss Apple releasing something with a 3:2 aspect ratio, I do not ever want to see a 4:3 screen on a laptop ever again.

You're right, it's 3:2. It's one of the most appealing aspects of the Surface line up. 4:3 is that old school ratio from the CRT days. I got confused.

I hope more companies move to something more like 3:2. 16:9 is for media, video, consumption. It sucks for browsing and most work on a computer.

 

[smirking]

It isn't unheard of for some people having to purchase a few hundred dollars in dongles or simply an all in one unit like OWC's offerings just go get functionality they seek.

People aren't spending hundreds of dollars on adapters to get needed functionality unless they don't know any better or like the convenience of the docking station type of solutions. Those OWC offerings aren't expensive because they give you back your USB-A ports. They're expensive because they also provide 85W charging and additional video support over mini DisplayPort and Thunderbolt 3... and because they're stylish. Minus those features, you could get all your ports back pretty easily and inexpensively. USB-A to USB-C endcap adapters are only about $1 each now if you look around.

The SD Card slot was a drag. See this chart for how well everyone's beloved built in SD cart port performs against a dedicated card reader:
https://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2017/20170430_2014-OWC-Thunderbolt3Dock-SD-slot.html

The built in SD Card reader is nearly three times as slow as the fastest card reader out there and the discrepancy is only just starting to grow as SD Cards start becoming yesterday's tech with the advancement of even speedier XQD and CFExpress card standards. We're already seeing high bandwidth recording devices being released that do not use SD Cards. Nikon's newest cameras do away with SD Cards.

Everything is changing, and that's a GOOD thing. It'll be inconvenient for the short term, but you can't have innovation without change.

 

[Falhófnir]

You're right, it's 3:2. It's one of the most appealing aspects of the Surface line up. 4:3 is that old school ratio from the CRT days. I got confused.

I hope more companies move to something more like 3:2. 16:9 is for media, video, consumption. It sucks for browsing and most work on a computer.

I'm also a fan of 'squarer' aspect ratios - I believe 4:3 is what the iPads use (sans the new 11 inch) and for that it's certainly quite ideal IMO.

 

[Dave245]

And the 2016 was pretty close to being a 2017. It's been less than 3 years.

This is true, the 2016 MacBook Pro was introduced in October of 2016, it does seem early for a redesign. I would of said 2020.

 

[smirking]

This is true, the 2016 MacBook Pro was introduced in October of 2016, it does seem early for a redesign. I would of said 2020.

The thing is that we don't know if they ever intended to have 4 year redesign cycles. The current slate of MBPs may have come out sooner if Intel had released chips that could handle an external 5K display and similarly it's not out of the question that the 2016 design was a bridge design to be replaced as soon as certain roadblock issues could be cleared out the way.

 

[redheeler]

This is true, the 2016 MacBook Pro was introduced in October of 2016, it does seem early for a redesign. I would of said 2020.

The Titanium PowerBook G4 was redesigned into the aluminum models less than three years after it was introduced, including a new larger-screen 17" model. So this rumor doesn't seem that improbable to me.

 

[Dagavi]

"All new design" — it will have no ports