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What puzzles me is that every 2.4GHz reports 32GB of RAM, while every 2.3GHz has 16GB. I could understand it if these were stock configurations, but 32GB is not standard in the 2.4GHz. Also, I would have thought that the 32GB RAM option would be popular in the 2.3GHz model. Strange.

Anyone spending $3000+ on a laptop probably isn't penny pinching while they are looking at upgrades. Also, someone buying that 2.4 probably knows they need all the performance they can get, including extra RAM.
 
@intrepidcase Here's a comparison of all 16 inch models to corresponding 15 inch models.
@leman Thanks for the idea to use violin plot, it's fun!

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Some information about dataset:
  • 16" i7 and i9 - search term: "MacBookPro16,1", grouped by grouped by i7-9750H, i9-9880H and i9-9980HK
  • 15" i7 - search term: "MacBookPro15,1", filtered by i7-9750H
  • 15" i9 - search term: "MacBookPro15,3" (Vega models only), grouped by i9-9880H and i9-9980HK
 
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@intrepidcase There's a comparison of all 16 inch models to corresponding 15 inch models.
@leman Thanks for the idea to use violin plot, it's fun!

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Some information about dataset:
  • 16" i7 and i9 - search term: "MacBookPro16,1", grouped by grouped by i7-9750H, i9-9880H and i9-9980HK
  • 15" i7 - search term: "MacBookPro15,1", filtered by i7-9750H
  • 15" i9 - search term: "MacBookPro15,3" (Vega models only), grouped by i9-9880H and i9-9980HK
So the 2.3 i9 in the 16 inch just about underperforms in any case? That's a bit weird, isn't it?
 
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My MBP 16 2.4 GH i9 32 GB 2 TB arrived today.

I got these test numbers:

Got these results:

Single Core: 1087 (worse than the 1138 for the MBP 15 with same processor)
Multi Core: 7235 (better than the 6894 for the MBP 15 with same processor and the Mac Pro 2013

Open CL Score Intel 4657
Open CL Score AMD 27440

BlackMagic Drive Scores:
Write: 2836.4 MB/s
Read: 2461.2 MB/s (not a typo)
 
What puzzles me is that every 2.4GHz reports 32GB of RAM, while every 2.3GHz has 16GB. I could understand it if these were stock configurations, but 32GB is not standard in the 2.4GHz. Also, I would have thought that the 32GB RAM option would be popular in the 2.3GHz model. Strange.

Most likely since these are standard preconfigured models that reviewers got + one can buy in store. Folks with custom orders only start receiving them about now. I am sure we will see many more benchmarks soon. I'll update the data (also polling in the 15" 2019 model) at the end of the week.
 
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So what does that mean? 2.3 i9 not so bad after all?
It means the front page is misleading people based on a comparison of one 15” to one 16” when the graphs on this page clearly show there is not difference when compared across multiple machines.
 
Ah right. Weird.

Just statistics. Every machine varies so if you only compare 1 machine to 1 machine you might randomly find some difference. But you shouldn’t represent that as ‘all comparable machines must therefore be like this’
 
It means the front page is misleading people based on a comparison of one 15” to one 16” when the graphs on this page clearly show there is not difference when compared across multiple machines.

I don’t know how reliable this uploaded data is. The issue is, we don’t know the testing methodology.
 
I don’t know how reliable this uploaded data is. The issue is, we don’t know the testing methodology.
Completely true. But it’s real world data is another way to look at it. And I’m still believing a few thousand results showing little difference over a single result showing 16%
 
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Completely true. But it’s real world data is another way to look at it. And I’m still believing a few thousand results showing little difference over a single result showing 16%

What I mean, these are brand new machines. People might be running the benchmark while there is still some indexing going on etc. I think the score distribution might change if we give it a couple of weeks.
 
What I mean, these are brand new machines. People might be running the benchmark while there is still some indexing going on etc. I think the score distribution might change if we give it a couple of weeks.
Sure lets see! You could rerun your script and stratify by date even! But my guess is alot fo these machines are blank and have little indexing going on.
 
Just statistics. Every machine varies so if you only compare 1 machine to 1 machine you might randomly find some difference. But you shouldn’t represent that as ‘all comparable machines must therefore be like this’
The problem is Geekbench doesn't really heat up the machine so the difference between the 2019 15inch and 2019 16inch should be minimal at best. Now with a longer test like cinebench where thermal could come into play it may well be 16 percent better. I would much rather see a graph plotting cinebench results over Geekbench.
 
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The problem is Geekbench doesn't really heat up the machine so the difference between the 2019 15inch and 2019 16inch should be minimal at best. Now with a longer test like cinebench where thermal could come into play it may well be 16 percent better. I would much rather see a graph plotting cinebench results over Geekbench.

This.The 16" is much better with sustained loads = faster over real world tasks.

And the person who commented that the GPU wasn't a big deal, yeah it's not a RTX 2080 but it's still very fast compared to what we had. It's about the speed of a D700 (single).

My Vega 64 in the iMac Pro is still over 2X faster (4 teraflops vs 11), but in real world use editing 4K video, FCPX is performing similarly on both machines. So not sure what is going on there. The iMac Pro can probably handle more streams of 4K with effects at once.

Bottom line this is the first Apple laptop that can reliably handle real-time 4K editing and playback without rendering with multiple effects applied (to one stream). The older AMD GPU just couldn't do it.
 
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The problem is Geekbench doesn't really heat up the machine so the difference between the 2019 15inch and 2019 16inch should be minimal at best. Now with a longer test like cinebench where thermal could come into play it may well be 16 percent better. I would much rather see a graph plotting cinebench results over Geekbench.

Oh yeah agree, I don't think that data is so easily gotten however.
 
Oh yeah agree, I don't think that data is so easily gotten however.
I have found this image posted on here in the past but it is only one persons results so not much of an average but should give some idea if someone could run cinebench on their 16inch.
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I have found this image posted on here in the past but it is only one persons results so not much of an average but should give some idea if someone could run cinebench on their 16inch.
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I was talking about Cincbench results. It you lookf back in the tread its chocked full of GB results in more detail than that!
 
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What I mean, these are brand new machines. People might be running the benchmark while there is still some indexing going on etc. I think the score distribution might change if we give it a couple of weeks.

The 2.3 seems to have something strange going on though. The distribution doesn't really overlap on the high end the way the 2.4s do. It really seems to me that the 2.4 behaves about as you'd expect under this theory, with a little bit more "mass" in the violin plot towards the bottom end, but with a higher median and similar peak. The 2.3s though are just lower, across the board.
 
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