17" Antiglare Display

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  1. fil3333 macrumors member

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    hi
    i would be interested in what apple actually does when they make the screen antiglare? does it mean they just leave out the glass? so does it make the screen more instable and what about the seamless enclosure?
    im a bit in a discrepancy, on the one hand i prefer a matte screen because i have to color correct on the road sometimes on the other hand stability is pretty important for me as well.... :eek:
    would be thankful for any information :)
    thanks a lot
    fil
     
  2. kastenbrust macrumors 68030

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    If getting accurate colours are important to you then you want the glossy screen, (graphics designers etc) however for convenience and fussyness you can get the matte screen if you want.

    To make it matte Apple takes off the super glossy glass coating the screen, and then adds a matte diffusion layer to the screen.
     
  3. kolax macrumors G3

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    It is a matte screen and doesn't have the glass that the glossy version has. What do you mean by stability? The previous 17" screen shut itself when held at a 45' angle if that's what you mean..

    In other words, they order matte screens in.
     
  4. kastenbrust macrumors 68030

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    Pretty much, theyre fairly disgusting im not sure why anyone would want one, especially with the loss of real colours and being left with washed out mattyness, however everyone has their personal opinion, i just think its rude Apple charge $50 extra for it.
     
  5. kolax macrumors G3

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    I used the matte screen on the 15" MacBook Pro for two years and didn't find it disgusting - but the blacks were pretty poor, and because of that, I've actually come to prefer glossy (considering I hated my glossy screen at the start).

    It is $50 extra the majority produced will be glossy. Whenever you want anything rare, gotta pay a few bucks extra.
     
  6. fil3333 thread starter macrumors member

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    thanks for your replies!
    agreed! however a matte screen has not poor blacks, in fact it has more accurate blacks and whites respectively greytones. on the glossy screens blacks and whites get amplified so this nice colors are actually not there. thats the advantage of a matte screen it shows more true colors allthough they dont look so nice you can tell much better how it looks on different screens and medias. allthough i know true color correction is not possible on an notebook screen.....
    with stability i meant.... what i heard the glass is making the screen very stable and callous. i often have to work in lets say impractical and harsh enviroments like mountains or beaches or just anywhere on the road....
    regards
     
  7. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    Incorrect, both the matte and glossy can be calibrated to show relatively accurate colors. One isn't necessarily better than the other its just a personal preference.

    Discussing how the colors look on another display has nothing to do with the MBP's screen so it really doesn't answer which displays more accurate colors.

    Exactly, so want true colors buy an external display.

    The $50 is because its a disruption to their assembly line.
     
  8. lscangus macrumors 6502

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    The matte display for colour accuracy.

    Have you seen any professional grade monitor with a glossy finishes?
    Like Eizo, NEC??

    I do photography and a bit of graphic design. I have gone for the 17 Matte myself. Matte is what you will go for if you want color accuracy.

    Angus
     
  9. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    LOL I guess you're a kid and unaware that glossy CRTs are better than any LCD display for color accuracy.

    PS. An external display is what you will go for if you want color accuracy, not a laptop screen.
     
  10. MagicWok macrumors 6502a

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    It all depends on what you're going to be using the machine, both glossy and matte have their respective advantages. However, if you do print/prepress work - you have to use a matte display to calibrate the colours in accordance with the printers and the profiles that they use as accurately as possible. Glossy displays have over-saturated contrast due to the glossy coating on the displays, which make blacks appear darker. My Kuro display will beat any glossy display with regards to deep blacks/contrast and colour vibrance for instance, and it is a matte display. Same goes for Eizo displays.

    If you're working at a desk more often than not, it's better to connect the MBP to an external display meaning you can keep the glossy for watching movies/viewing pictures etc.

    Yes - they remove the glass covering and use a panel with anti-glare coatings. And no - it is not fuzzy and washed out - it just needs to be calibrated correctly.

    And yes, I believe you will lose the additional strength that the glass provides. If you have time, wait till they appear in store and you can judge for yourself how much 'strength' has been lost.

    Hope this helps - good luck with your purchase! :D
     
  11. fil3333 thread starter macrumors member

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    from my own experience i highly doubt that....

    i work on an eizo in my studio so i know what you mean and believe it or not i need to upgrade my mbp because i want to be MOBILE. its pretty hard to carry around an eizo in your backpack :)
     
  12. MagicWok macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, but all but a few agencies have CRT displays anymore :p. I daren't have a 30" CRT display with it being so fat and heavy.

    Eizo, and equivalent, are as good as you're going to get - and do rival that of CRT display accuracy now.
    http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg301w/index.asp
     
  13. lscangus macrumors 6502

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    Not anymore now. With the new RGBLED Sony display.

    23 inches 1920X1080 For about 20000USD. Is a matte.

    Is easy to know whether you are in that field or not.

    Angus
     
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    BTW has anybody closer information about this '60% greater color gamut'? how do they achieve this?
    thanks
     
  16. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    That technology hasn't been out long enough to say conclusively if it is better than CRT.
     
  17. lscangus macrumors 6502

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    From what SONY said, it is better, and has a more accurate reproduction in colour.

    Do you knwo which model i am talking about?

    Angus
     
  18. kolax macrumors G3

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    Of course if the manufacture says it's better, it must be better, since after all, they are being honest and not wanting to push sales ;)
     
  19. winninganthem macrumors 6502a

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    Anyone have any actual pictures of the 17" unibody with antiglare? I'm really curious to see what that looks like.

    Thanks :).
     
  20. Teej guy macrumors 6502a

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    In terms of colours translating to print, matte screens are more accurate.
     
  21. lscangus macrumors 6502

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    Not exactly true when their target customers are not normal consumers on the market. when you are preparing to spend more than 20000 USD in a 23 inches display, they know what they are talking about.
     
  22. fil3333 thread starter macrumors member

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    here is a picture....
     

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  23. Consultant macrumors G5

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    Nope, pro CRT back in the days are non-reflective.


    Yup. Exactly.
     
  24. Sir Cecil macrumors 6502a

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    This discussion is about as valuable as eavesdropping on the residents of a home for the aged, arguing about whether their photos of their grandchildren look better in matte or gloss prints.

    "Ooh Gertie, what a beautiful picture of little Jimmy. Of course, it would have looked better with a glossy photo. I get all my photos done in glossy. Look at this one of my niece Rosemary."

    "She looks beautiful Minnie, but my son Sid tells me the non-glossy photos are more professional and he works for a big advertising agency so he knows best."

    "Oh, I didn't know that Gertie. If Sid says that, I'll get non-glossy in future."
     
  25. lordthistle macrumors 6502

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    I do not intend to start a new flame here on matte vs. glassy. But I want to ask you a question: why do you say the black is better on the glossy?

    On a glossy/glassy screen the black and the dark colors in general are usable only in low light environments. In all the other cases reflexes on the dark patches are very annoying. On this unibody MBP I had to change the background (I had been using for years) because it made me see only my face.

    In fact, it may sound strange, but I prefer matte for the blacks, because I prefer dark desktop images and windows backgrounds.

    It is true that the dark colors appear better on glossy. But they influences more the micro-contrast, giving a more satisfying global contrast. They are worse if you consider wide regions.

    thistle

    PS. CRTs with glass were much less reflective than current glossy notebooks and glassy macbooks.
     

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