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milo said:
Sounds like one of the intel boxes would be perfect for them. Why so insistent on getting them to buy the hardware that's on its way out?

I am only concerned about bugs that sometimes appear in new products. This is a little bit bigger that just a minor rework of the imac line, it's a whole new chip! It can take months for serious flaws to become evident. I guess I am more comfortable with the known. But I guess I may have to advise to change to intel imac and hope for the best.
 
17" MacBook Pro

Thanks for the advice on waiting or going for it. I am very anxious to get my hands on the Mac Book Pro, but I really don't *need* it until June or so. That's part of the angst...I would love to get my grubby paws on it right now, but I'm also considering practicing some self-discipline and waiting to see if the 17" comes out before then. Oh yeah, I need it in my *hands* in June, so if they announce it, but have delays, I'll be a little irritated. That's really where the dillema comes in...the sure thing before June, or the waiting game on a product which hasn't been announced yet.
 
Meemoo said:
I'm guessing Leopard will be the first OS that won't support the G3...

Apple has already announced that 10.5 will ship for both processors. Who knows what will happen with 10.6.
 
milo said:
Apple has already announced that 10.5 will ship for both processors. Who knows what will happen with 10.6.

For both? They have specifically announced G3 support? Or just PPC support?

It's a while now since they made any G3 products.
 
BornAgainMac said:
This transition seems really smooth and Apple seems to have a lot of confidence with moving to Intel. Apple seems to have a good track record with transitions compared to any other tech company. I think the transition from OS 9 to OSX was much more difficult.
It certainly was, but more of those who up to a year ago were still using classic are now switching. Tech transitions certainly seem to be where Apple excel though.
 
nagromme said:
Since Rosetta performs OK compared to G4s, and often faster--and since Photoshop pros who demand sheer raw speed will often choose a tower--I think Apple may not keep the G4 PowerBooks lingering for TOO long. (But I think they'll keep the G5 towers around even after Conroe.)

Low-end Intel Macs need Core Solo and might wait a bit, but new sizes of MacBook Pro could come any time. I really expect all G4 models to have replacements by the end of March.

I predict a 13" MacBook "something" (or "nothing?") to replace the iBook, and if it has a high enough version, then maybe no 12-13" MacBook Pro. I REALLY hope there's SOME kind of dual-core small laptop coming, whatever the name. And I expect the iBook replacement to use Core Solo. On the high-end, a 20" screen wouldn't surprise me too much... dual-duals would, but you never know (there would be room it seems--just disable one chip while on battery).
Other than the whole 13" discussion, I would tend to agree. With Adobe's announcement not to offer Universal binaries for their products until their natural development cycle, PPC G5 towers seem to be essential to at least the end of 2006.

For the 13" argument, I still think they could be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn't either bring in a 12" or 13"WS MBP or an ultra portable Pro model. They would be saying in effect to consumers, we don't care about the Pros and their need for ultra-small portables. While I see that it is difficult to release a similar spec 13" MBP to the 15" without losing battery and other features, they need to keep something in that sweet spot between consumer and professional.

Of course, if they wanted, they could release a new MAcBook Duo that was a 13" ultra-portable, with docking station that allowed it to become full featured. Unlikely, (as rumours would have suggested this already), but something for Apple to mull over.
 
jouster said:
For both? They have specifically announced G3 support? Or just PPC support?

It's a while now since they made any G3 products.
My guess is they will ditch support for G3 machines. They barely hung on with Tiger, so Leopard may well be the G4/G5/Intel OS and 10.6 will be the same, (I can't see them ditching PPC support until 10.7-10.9, maybe leaving OS 11?? as the first Intel only OS).
 
nagromme said:
Since Rosetta performs OK compared to G4s, and often faster--and since Photoshop pros who demand sheer raw speed will often choose a tower--I think Apple may not keep the G4 PowerBooks lingering for TOO long. (But I think they'll keep the G5 towers around even after Conroe.)

Low-end Intel Macs need Core Solo and might wait a bit, but new sizes of MacBook Pro could come any time. I really expect all G4 models to have replacements by the end of March.

I predict a 13" MacBook "something" (or "nothing?") to replace the iBook, and if it has a high enough version, then maybe no 12-13" MacBook Pro. I REALLY hope there's SOME kind of dual-core small laptop coming, whatever the name. And I expect the iBook replacement to use Core Solo. On the high-end, a 20" screen wouldn't surprise me too much... dual-duals would, but you never know (there would be room it seems--just disable one chip while on battery).
Low-end Intel Macs don't need a Core Solo, it's an overpriced underpowered chip. Apple needs to go with the Core Duo in all consumer machines, or something less expensive (and cut the prices). Even the Core Duo under Rosetta is only comparable to the G4s, not appreciably faster. Until all major apps are Universal Binaries, Apple can ill afford to release machines that are noticeably slower than their predecessors for non-UB apps, unless the machines have much lower prices than the current models.
cnakeitaro said:
I don't think we will see the iMac G5 line completely disappear til we see every major app go native.
We'll only see the 20" iMac G5 as long as there are still parts in the supply line; once the G5s and mobos Apple has purchased are gone, it's gone like the 17".
steve hill4 said:
My guess is they will ditch support for G3 machines. They barely hung on with Tiger, so Leopard may well be the G4/G5/Intel OS and 10.6 will be the same, (I can't see them ditching PPC support until 10.7-10.9, maybe leaving OS 11?? as the first Intel only OS).
After the legal problems Apple had with Tiger and G3 machines, a G4, G5 or Intel processor will definitely be part of the hardware requirements for 10.5.
 
I read japanese magazin "Mac Fan" yesterday
Apple Japan claims that the 17" iMac G5 would be avaliable while stock last, and 20" iMac G5 would still continues for a while.
 
Porchland said:
iMacs dwindling...
PowerBooks dwindling...
Shuffles dwindling...

Are we getting a refresh on Tuesday?

Probably not next Tuesday. On a different note, I heard Adobe will have universal binaries a week from Tuesday.


Just kidding!
 
PowerMacs will be made for quite awhile

Its a year and a half away till we see a PowerMac with an Intel chip in it (at the very least). Apple will support the G5 for sure for quite awhile.
 
PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Its a year and a half away till we see a PowerMac with an Intel chip in it (at the very least).
I think by the end of the summer we'll have Intel PowerMacs announced. Definitely by the end of 2006, because Apple already set that as the new target for the conversion to be complete.
 
I wouldn't count on Apple....

PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Apple will support the G5 for sure for quite awhile.
Apple has quite a history of suddenly making large, incompatible changes. The tendency is to kill one product to replace it with something different - and any overlap of the two models is simply "while supplies last".

Do you need a Powermac with PCI-X? Go to the refurb store.

If you need a PPC, my advice would be to buy it now. The closer we get to Merom the greater the chance that they'll suddenly disappear.

On the other hand, refurbs and eBay might be an acceptable solution.
 
PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Its a year and a half away till we see a PowerMac with an Intel chip in it (at the very least). Apple will support the G5 for sure for quite awhile.
You wish. As soon as Conroe hits... bye bye G5!
 
PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Its a year and a half away till we see a PowerMac with an Intel chip in it (at the very least).

Are you a betting man? I am. I'll bet money you're wrong. The Intel PowerMacs will sport Conroe processors and will be out late 2006 or early 2007 at the absolute latest. No way they will be at least a year and a half away.

Let me know if you want to put some money where your mouth is and we'll make it interesting. :cool:
 
~Shard~ said:
Are you a betting man? I am. I'll bet money you're wrong. The Intel PowerMacs will sport Conroe processors and will be out late 2006 or early 2007 at the absolute latest. No way they will be at least a year and a half away.

Let me know if you want to put some money where your mouth is and we'll make it interesting. :cool:
I'll have some of that too, especially since Apple have already stated all Macs will be shipping with Intel processors by the end of the calendar year.:)
 
steve_hill4 said:
I'll have some of that too, especially since Apple have already stated all Macs will be shipping with Intel processors by the end of the calendar year.:)

Sounds great - let's share the wealth! You are from Robin Hood Country after all... ;) :cool:
 
PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Its a year and a half away till we see a PowerMac with an Intel chip in it (at the very least).
As others have said, Apple has made it clear that the transition of its hardware to Intel chips will be complete by the end of 2006.
PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Apple will support the G5 for sure for quite awhile.
Yes, Apple still supports the G4 (and, in many cases, the G3), so it will continue to "support" the G5 for years, it just won't "sport" the G5.
 
PMacG5Dual2.7 said:
Its a year and a half away till we see a PowerMac with an Intel chip in it (at the very least). Apple will support the G5 for sure for quite awhile.
On what authority do make those statements? Are you making the decisions for Apple? :rolleyes:
 
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