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17" iMac?

17" CRT

I have to be honest here, I would probably buy a 17" FLAT CRT iMac if apple could bring it in at around ninehundred bucks. I love the small footprint of the imacG4, but I've had big monitors for years, and I can deal with them.

I also think that a 17" CRT would be totaly redesigned, maybe not as drasticly as the G4, but something new, I doubt that Iveshas any trouble dreaming up new cases.

If the rumors have some grain of truth, my guess would be an educational market only iMac. This makes sense in the broader context of Apple trying to capture niche markets, like high end video. I wouldn't be surprised by custom quad processors sometime for High End video, as well as maybe rackmount cases for audio (if digidesign will port over the stupid Pro Tools already.

I think this kind of market segmentation makes sense for apple becase it positions them with great advertising. Kids grow up using Mac at school (we used IIe's when I was in grade school, but it started the bug), and people see them in conection with movies and probably a greater presence on the movie screen.

Of course, if you went by the movie screen, Apple has 90% of the market already. Is it sick that I can date movies by the model of powerbook or tower they use?:p
 
Guys... guys... guys.

It's really quite simple.

Just offer the OPTION of a 17" LCD iMac. If the buyer wants an iMac with a bigger monitor, make him pay for it (i.e. an extra $400). The iMac can easily support a 17" display, so why not? If it dips into the PowerMac, so what? The PowerMac is in need of a revision anyway, so what does it matter? The PowerMacs could likely have DDR and processors at 1.33 GHz in May, so would it be that much of a problem?
 
Wow, that's a big imac. You'd have to have a lot of extra deskspace.

As for me, I'd prefer a bigger LCD screen if I was in the market for an imac, but, I'm not sure how it would fit into the current marketing.
 
Re: ADC on Powerbook?

Originally posted by arn
Meanwhile, Hiro had submitted an unverifiable rumor that new iBooks would have 100mhz bumps, ADC-out Powerbooks, and a 17" CRT iMac.
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How the heck would an ADC-out Powerbook port work? Where would the power come from?

Maybe a pigtail with a power supply or something?

I'd rather see an Apple docking station for them myself.

-Eric
 
And, as for the CRT iMac:

Keep it, update it.

Apple can sell thousands of these daily if an 800MHz G3 was thrown in, with a slightly better video card. Sell it, starting with a 700MHz G3 at $699. And an 800MHz G3 for $899 and 256 RAM, etc. These things would look great in Mac and could lead Apple to higher sales figures than ever before.
 
17" CRT iMac is coming

The 17" CRT iMac has been in the works for a long time (but was shelved in favor of the LCD) and will now replace the old CRT iMac form. This machine should help Apple fix sales numbers that were hurt due to shortages of the LCD iMac -- some orders will switch to CRT's instead of waiting for LCD's, while this machine will attract its own orders - for the 17" monitor.
Also, watch for a speed bump on the LCD iMac when this is announced.
 
Re: Re: ADC on Powerbook?

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
I'd rather see an Apple docking station for them myself.
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That would be great, yeah, why hasn't Apple made a docking station, there are all sorts of things you could do to improve the laptops, plug in the firewire and USB and have 2 or 3 times as many ports on the docking station.

But as for the ADC, could you put that in a dockingstation, it would be like the Dr. Botts DVIextractor, they're not exactly small.
 
As a designer (whatever that's worth), I'd like to see an LCD iMac with a 17" Cinema (3:4) display. I think it would make it look less "cute", and would drive home the DVD-studio theme...
 
17" CRT imac...... i doubt it... the 15" is still selling well, 130,000 last quarter. switching to 17" crt is a major redesign and retooling. they will have all sorts of costs to make up for. if they do just enlarge the whole imac, it is going to add a lot of weight to the thing. i know now a lot of people refuse to trust the handle in the top of them. *maybe* if they switched to a shortneck CRT... they cost about the same, weigh less and are less than 1/3 the length of the standard CRTs. but it seems like a lot of work a little too late for that line (unless they are just reall made for education models, like that giant all in one G3 icebox that was never sold to the public).

17" lcd imac..... not for a year or more... the 15" lcd sells well (and a 15" LCD is not like a 15" CRT), it is also a kick in the pants to anyone who bought one already. ... think how long it took them to jump the ibook to 14". i do see it happening though. i was at a reseller a week or two ago and got a very interesting take on 14" ibooks from the Mac salesguy. he thinks a lot of motivation was people with poorer eyesight (including older people). you can always jack up the resolution on a 15" imac to make most stuff fit, but someone is going to complain if it is in public/office use. he said a lot of older people were buying TiBooks only because of the larger display. that's a lot of $ just to be able to see the screen.

imac stealing "pro" users from minitowers.... there is an easy fix to that.... even before the G5, there is a G4 7500 series chip Moto is making. rumors indicate we will see them in Macs before G5 is released. one big snag in the Apple lineup rightnow is bus speed. it took till the new ibooks (january 2002) for them all to be 100mghz. the Pro line is still stuck at 133mghz motherboards. i see the minitowers going to new speeds and faster Ram before the consumer lines. that will make a bigger gap in the performance charts. i was a suprised as anyone to see an 800mghz G4 imac, but it would make sense if, say by July's end, there is a G4 pro model shipping with a faster motherboard.

oh, and bluetooth for all! no reason that can't be added to the machines, or have a sneaky port for it. messes up the clean lines of the ibook to have the little nub sticking out, let alone the snap off possibilities, and needing to remove it to fit the machine in a happy little case. internal airport cards just win in so many cases. at the college i go to i see the kids pack up their wintel machines... they have to shut down, pull out the 802.11 card (whole school is a big wireless network) pack it ina little box then pack everything away..... the ibook and Tibook kids just snap the screen down, open their bags and slide them into a laptop sleeve and take off.
 
Originally posted by dukestreet


There would be an increased weight issue invloved, but it could also be anchored by a heavier base. Apple would never release an iMac or any computer that could have such an obvious design flaw.
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yes, i know that steve would never let us down :) but i was just wondering... how much more weight can u pack into that thing? theyd probably want to use identical bases for all models. If the weight of a normal 17" lcd could make the current base tip, maybe it was never meant to be :-/
 
GET over the weight issue. Have any of you suggesting this ever been near a real iMac LCD and lifted it????

A 17" will never tip this thing!! Not even a 19". It is heavy.

I just did an experiment on my LCD. I put the neck all the way down and then pressed on the top to try an tip it over.... your monitor would have to weight almost 20lbs to make it tip...

Get over the tipping issue.
 
Originally posted by Buggy
Get over the tipping issue.
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and yet no one can answer the obvious visual-design issue, except by saying "apple prepared for this"

Jobs is anal-retentive to a max. the current display is proportionate to the base to create an orderly, visually appealing unit. Playing around with sizes would disrupt that... It's not like the flat-screen displays, where they can just be made bigger and bigger. The base would have to be made bigger to look right, and they've spent so much time getting the base as small as it is...

you can all bitc#-slap me if i'm wrong, but i strongly doubt this, as i've said. You don't change horses in mid race, and you don't change a design that works. Not even if the arm would support a larger screen.

I would, however, like to see the bottom price lowered... but that's just a matter of time... hell, the original iMac started at $1299 and went as low as, what, $899? i think... non-educational...

:)
pnw
 
I agree with you Paul. I always posted against a 17"crt iMac... the thing would just be ugly!! I was unfortunate to have seen the "molar" mac in person.

I am not so convinced that the LCD iMc would be the same since the screen sort of just floats infront of you while you are working... you are totally unaware of the base!

But from the side and other onlooker positions, the form factor may be an issue. This is the one and only plaussible arguement I have so far heard against a 17" iMac.

My arguement was only on the physics. All I ask before people start making claims about the LCD iMac is for them to actually use one. I use one sporatically throughout the day. Truley is a masterpiece. More than I expected when my work ordered one... I thought. Oh that will be cute... But after working on it for a bit ... it is quite different. it is all about computing..

A monitor almost suspended in space that adjusts it position at the slightest command, one mouse and one keyboard... you forget about the rest until you change the CD. :)
 
ADC port == big mistake

i know apple loves pushing new technologies, and it's no doubt that ADC is better than VGA, but putting an ADC port in the new tibooks would cut off so many people that use VGA projectors. yes, you could use an adapter, but that's just one more thing you have to tote along when doing presentations of any sort.

apple always has this tendency to cut off the rest of the computing world by adding "closed system" technologies to their products. for instance, if the cinema displays didn't have ADC ports, PC users would obviously be buying them in droves. of course apple's point is to convert these people entirely over to macs,, but sometimes compromise would be better.
 
I think that 17 inch LCD iMac would be good for apple, and Iwould belive that they are making it.However, if they do, I think they should stop selling the 15"monitor with Power Macs, and come up with a new 19" or 20" monitor. But, the idea of a 17" CRT iMacis is positively stupid. If apple had wanted todo that, they should have done it a year ago...
 
A 17" CRT iMac will not happen. It would give the computer too large a footprint. This 17" rumor has been going on since the introduction of the Biondi Blue iMac. And, as you're aware of, it has the same appx viewing area of the 15" LCD. So why bother. By the way, Apple is paying appx $280 U.S. for the 15" TFT display (not including the casing) according to a far east article printed a few days ago.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/news/2002/04/18/story/0000132390
 
I think...

...that a larger size screen iMac SOMETHING is inevitable, and we'll see it by next January.

As a technologist in education, I know that the CRT iMacs will be around for quite a while...it's too important to keep machines that are well under $1,000 for education entry, as well as consumers.
 
ADC PowerBooks?

ADC PowerBooks? Not a chance. I don't think theTi could supply enough power for this set-up. Ya, it would be nice to slap one of those 22s onto the Ti, but I'm happy with VGA and my tank of a CRT, VGA is especially handy for projectors.

The Ti needs a beastly video card 1st.
 
Bad Rumors

A 17" iMac would be GREAT! Would be. But it will not happen, at least in the near future. As for a 17" CRT, come on. Steve Jobs would not be shown up after anouncing the death of the CRT to release an iMac with 17" CRT. The arm of a G4 iMac could hold it, but the cost would be $300-$500 for the LDC. No go on this rumor. As for the amazing speed bumps in the iBooks, the 600 Mhz models already have 100 Mhz bus speeds. Now a bump to 133 or 166 would be something to talk about. I do believe that the 500 Mhz G3 + 66 Mhz system bus needs bumped up desparetly, but not unless Apple can keep the price steady, or bring it down for the Education Market that they are trying gain market share in. Now PowerBooks, very reasonable rumor with top speeds up to 800 Mhz now that the G4 iMac has reached peak production.

I say look for somw BlueTooth devices in the next few months!
 
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