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As I have mentioned in other thred, I'm using iPad as portable music studio and therefore running multiple Synth and DSP apps in tandem with Auria or Cubasis.
Sorry to say, but 1GB of ram simply doesn't cut it on my iPad 4 and it will be even worse with 64bit iPad Air. I would gladly sacrifice 1-2 hours of battery life for additional 1GB of ram anytime.
Oh well, maybe upcoming iPad Pro will do the trick... ;)
 
You fanboys are funny. Had Apple reduced the ram to 64mb you guys would be saying that no one could possibly need more. Truth of the matter is 2gb has been a standard for high end phones and tablets for a good 2 years now.
 
Curious though, are there any iOS 7 features that the iPad Air has but the iPad 4 doesn't?

As for the Pros, how about an extra $120-200 in the bank plus cheaper accessories?

1. Right now they have mostly the same features, although iPad Air will receive the optimizations first (I think). Also I'm 100% sure Apple is going to add some Air feature like Airdrop, Airplay in iOS 8 or 9, which won't work on devices before iPad Air.

2. If you're in the market to save more for a future device, I think you should look at the Mini refurbs, I'm sure they'll drop to $220 range very soon.
Although buying an iPad 4 refurbished with 64/128 GB options would let you save the most when compared to an equivalent storage iPad Air.

Less RAM. The iPad 4 has more RAM than the iPad 4. This is because of the DDR2 RAM in the 4 has around 1015Mb where as the iPad Air has 990 with its DDR3 RAM. And with the 20-30% increase in RAM usage through the use of 64bit, it is a lot less. The A7 in the Air wouldn't allow it to last a long time due to the RAM catching up on it before hand (the RAM usage on the Air with 1 site in Safairi open (apple.com) uses 920Mb of RAM. There is only 70Mb left then. The RAM will limit the Air before the A7 can last. I'm waiting for an iPad Pro/iPad Air with 2Gb of RAM.

I see, any idea about the respective RAM's latency? As in DDR2 compared to DDR3, it's kind of a big deal in computers atleast.

Also I'm in the same boat, waiting for the iPad pro. I've the MBP 13, so I can wait for the iPad. Or i'll get the iPad mini by Spring/Summer if some solid rumors don't start popping up, and with shells and what not. I read a rumor that the iPad Pro might come in at 9.7 and 11.4/13.3. (11.4 = Same as Macbook Air.)

The 11.4 would be the soft spot I think, the exact size of an A4 paper.


Why do high end android tablets have 3 gb of ram yet their performance is no better than the iPad air?

Because Apple relies on their R&D and the Android camp survives on marketing. Pricing, Gimmicky Features, Overkill specifications, a few tools from the modern marketeer's manual. :)
Android's are poorly optimised to use their hardware, except I think the Google's own devices and now some Sony & HTC devices, which ofcourse are too expensive for a non-apple product.
 
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Man, the 2014 iPad Air 2 with 2GB ram, SOAC bump and touch ID is gonna be awesome.

They didn't want to pull out too many improvements all at once - I understand.
So they'll understand if I skip this year and pull out my credit card on the next revision.
Easy.
 
I read at Apple Insider that 64 bit architecture actually can use less RAM than 32 bit. But that only happens when there are none 32 bit applications running. Or so was my understanding of it. So perhaps there's still hope for 1GB RAM when Apple optimizes their OS and apps have been updated.
 
Man, the 2014 iPad Air 2 with 2GB ram, SOAC bump and touch ID is gonna be awesome.

They didn't want to pull out too many improvements all at once - I understand.
So they'll understand if I skip this year and pull out my credit card on the next revision.
Easy.

Me too :) I will buy either a 64/128Gb iPad Pro or iPad Air 2. Depends on what one has 2Gb of RAM first :)
 
You fanboys are funny. Had Apple reduced the ram to 64mb you guys would be saying that no one could possibly need more. Truth of the matter is 2gb has been a standard for high end phones and tablets for a good 2 years now.

Well, I for one don't consider myself a fanboy, but I do consider this 2GB thing to be nonsense. The whole Safari Tabs "measure" is so subjective to the point to absurdity. Just because another device with another OS "needs" 2GB or 3GB of RAM to function doesn't mean the iPad does. I've been running apps on the iPad with no issues. It is possible for an architecture and an OS to run effectively on 1GB. This is not the 80's where you had 640K of RAM and had to page to disk. Things have progressed a bit since then.
 
You fanboys are funny. Had Apple reduced the ram to 64mb you guys would be saying that no one could possibly need more. Truth of the matter is 2gb has been a standard for high end phones and tablets for a good 2 years now.
For once (as painful as it is), i have to agree with FanDroids on this one...
 
Well, I for one don't consider myself a fanboy, but I do consider this 2GB thing to be nonsense. The whole Safari Tabs "measure" is so subjective to the point to absurdity. Just because another device with another OS "needs" 2GB or 3GB of RAM to function doesn't mean the iPad does. I've been running apps on the iPad with no issues. It is possible for an architecture and an OS to run effectively on 1GB. This is not the 80's where you had 640K of RAM and had to page to disk. Things have progressed a bit since then.

I bet your opinion will change when the next iPad is released with 2gb of ram, making it the best thing ever and question why anybody else needs more than 2gb of ram.
 
Well, I for one don't consider myself a fanboy, but I do consider this 2GB thing to be nonsense. The whole Safari Tabs "measure" is so subjective to the point to absurdity. Just because another device with another OS "needs" 2GB or 3GB of RAM to function doesn't mean the iPad does. I've been running apps on the iPad with no issues. It is possible for an architecture and an OS to run effectively on 1GB. This is not the 80's where you had 640K of RAM and had to page to disk. Things have progressed a bit since then.

iPad Air and iPhone 5S have had LOTS of low memory errors...
 
iPad Air and iPhone 5S have had LOTS of low memory errors...

If you are referring to the log messages, how many people outside of here actually go into the logs? Apple should have worded that differently to avoid the conspiracy.

To me, an error is when I launch an app and it crashes because of low memory. If it launches but simply displaces another app that was in memory, that's not an error. That's design. I can switch quickly enough to the other app. I don't experience the mysterious Safari crashes some people complain about. Yes, after several tabs, it has to refresh the first tab I opened. Again, by design. It may not be opening as many tabs as I would like, but that's not an "error". Even with 5GB of RAM someone is going to complain they can't open enough tabs because they are trying to open 234 tabs. Its silly.

If someone who didn't know a lot about computers read some of the posts in this thread, you would think the iPad is actually broken....

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I bet your opinion will change when the next iPad is released with 2gb of ram, making it the best thing ever and question why anybody else needs more than 2gb of ram.

If I wanted to do something with the iPad now that it couldn't do, maybe. But what I need it to do that it doesn't has nothing to do with RAM. If it could run Windows, that would be awesome, so I could run Quicken. Other than that, my iPad is fine. It works. With 1GB. Would it work better with 2GB? Maybe. But again, some of the posts here make it seem like its broken, because some folks are prone to hyperbole and exaggeration.
 
I wonder how no one sees it. They're saving the 2GB ram for the iPad Pro due in March. It's coming, and even more so now..

It's amazing how people keep claiming in these forums how Apple is coming out with product XXX in 6 months after a product release and the people are always wrong. You will not see 2GB or RAM until at least the A8 and that will not be until fall 2014 at the earliest. The iPad Air is selling very well an the iPad Mini 2 will sell even better. There is absolutely no need for Apple to update these now. If you don't like the product because it only has 1GB RAM, don't buy it.
 
If you are referring to the log messages, how many people outside of here actually go into the logs? Apple should have worded that differently to avoid the conspiracy.

To me, an error is when I launch an app and it crashes because of low memory. If it launches but simply displaces another app that was in memory, that's not an error. That's design. I can switch quickly enough to the other app. I don't experience the mysterious Safari crashes some people complain about. Yes, after several tabs, it has to refresh the first tab I opened. Again, by design. It may not be opening as many tabs as I would like, but that's not an "error". Even with 5GB of RAM someone is going to complain they can't open enough tabs because they are trying to open 234 tabs. Its silly.

If someone who didn't know a lot about computers read some of the posts in this thread, you would think the iPad is actually broken....

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If I wanted to do something with the iPad now that it couldn't do, maybe. But what I need it to do that it doesn't has nothing to do with RAM. If it could run Windows, that would be awesome, so I could run Quicken. Other than that, my iPad is fine. It works. With 1GB. Would it work better with 2GB? Maybe. But again, some of the posts here make it seem like its broken, because some folks are prone to hyperbole and exaggeration.

You are missing the point. Low memory errors are only common when you are running the last OS before your device is unsupported. Im not saying it will only run iOS7, but iOS 8 will be stripped down for the iPad Air...
 
You are missing the point. Low memory errors are only common when you are running the last OS before your device is unsupported. Im not saying it will only run iOS7, but iOS 8 will be stripped down for the iPad Air...

I hear you but I am hoping it's more so that optimizations need to be made to ios7. The trend in osx is downward in ram due to compression and hopefully the same is true for iOS. 1gb ram is really the only thing I don't like about the iPad air but I bought it anyway. Hopefully it doesn't get ram starved, I agree with doubts that we won't see 2gb ram until a8.

This will be my first iPad
 
It's amazing how people keep claiming in these forums how Apple is coming out with product XXX in 6 months after a product release and the people are always wrong. You will not see 2GB or RAM until at least the A8 and that will not be until fall 2014 at the earliest. The iPad Air is selling very well an the iPad Mini 2 will sell even better. There is absolutely no need for Apple to update these now. If you don't like the product because it only has 1GB RAM, don't buy it.
And this is exactly the reason I have returned it to Apple.
1GB of ram is simply ridiculous..
And you right about Apple introducing 2GB or even 4 next year.
Apple have to have something to entice new and current users next year...
So I'm sticking to my trusty, built as a tank, heavy, but with no screen flexing iPads 4 ;)
Until next year of course ;)
Btw; You can throw in Quad 64bit processor, clocked at 4Ghz in iPad, but if the RAM remains the same, you'll never notice the difference.
 
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It's amazing how people keep claiming in these forums how Apple is coming out with product XXX in 6 months after a product release and the people are always wrong. You will not see 2GB or RAM until at least the A8 and that will not be until fall 2014 at the earliest.

I agree.

However, these same people who will not buy this current version of the iPad Air... will be posting next October that 'Apple has screwed us by not releasing anything quickly after the iPad Air! It's been a whole year I've had to deal with my crappy iPad 2/3/4'

Love it.
 
However, these same people who will not buy this current version of the iPad Air... will be posting next October that ...

There will always be a subset who isn't pleased/satisfied with the current offering.

Apple's marketing iDevices to the general user community. Not really to the "power user" fringe. 99% of iPad buyers, even if their life depended on it, couldn't describe why 1GB vs 2GB RAM makes a difference; and in reality for their usage it generally won't make any perceptible difference.
 
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I personally think that Apple has lost its plot...
They undermasted existing iPad crowd.
People want to run more than one app at the time.
Multitasking is crucial in this day and age.
Introducing Inter App Audio and limiting it to two or three at the most Audio apps due to memory limitations is simply wrong...
As I said before, maybe iPad Pro to be released next year, will resolve these issues. As for now, I'm waiting for one and holding on to my better performing iPad 4 :)
 
Although I was disappointed by the lack of a RAM upgrade, I was equally delighted to know that iPad Pro could be a reality in the future. And I'm not a believer of the theory that says that apple has been doing planned obsolescence. If they were, why would they let people install iOS7 on a 3 year old iPhone 4?
To degrade the performance to a point that gives the customer incentive to upgrade. It's no surprise that as an operating system adds functionality that it will require additional horsepower.

IMO, Apple should be very conservative in what device generations they allow to upgrade. Especially because Apple offers no supported way of downgrading back to the previous version. It's a one way street.

Some will claim that people should "investigate" what others are experiencing with an upgrade to help them decide, but does anyone really want to rely on overly optimistic claims (made by fanboys) or overly pessimistic claims (made by trolls)? And none of that investigation will help one to determine THEIR OWN sense of "good performance" on THEIR device.

Whether or not you believe that Apple has a planned obsolescence strategy doesn't make it untrue. ;)


However, these same people who will not buy this current version of the iPad Air... will be posting next October that 'Apple has screwed us by not releasing anything quickly after the iPad Air! It's been a whole year I've had to deal with my crappy iPad 2/3/4'

Love it.
There are enough actual complaints about Apple going on right now that you can tilt at, no need to manufacture a fictitious one so that you can be annoyed at.
 
I personally think that Apple has lost its plot...
They undermasted existing iPad crowd.
People want to run more than one app at the time.
Multitasking is crucial in this day and age.
Introducing Inter App Audio and limiting it to two or three at the most Audio apps due to memory limitations is simply wrong...
As I said before, maybe iPad Pro to be released next year, will resolve these issues. As for now, I'm waiting for one and holding on to my better performing iPad 4 :)

I don't get it. Since you can only LOOK at one app at a time on an iPad, what's the point of having other apps running in the background at the same time? Its not like Windows, where I can have Word and Outlook spread across my screen simultaneously. When I open a new app on an iPad, it takes mere milliseconds. What's the difference whether it is already running or I wait a few milliseconds?
 
Even with 5GB of RAM someone is going to complain they can't open enough tabs because they are trying to open 234 tabs. ... But again, some of the posts here make it seem like its broken, because some folks are prone to hyperbole and exaggeration.

You mean maybe a little bit like you, when you're taking things out of context and start referring to 5GB or RAM and 234 tabs? ;)
 
If I wanted to do something with the iPad now that it couldn't do, maybe. But what I need it to do that it doesn't has nothing to do with RAM. If it could run Windows, that would be awesome, so I could run Quicken. Other than that, my iPad is fine. It works. With 1GB. Would it work better with 2GB? Maybe. But again, some of the posts here make it seem like its broken, because some folks are prone to hyperbole and exaggeration.

It is a fact that the 1gb of ram will cause crashes due to low memory. To deny that fact is asinine.

It is up to the user to accept that or not accept it. Damn people for having different expectations and reasoning right?
 
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