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Nothing is better than the OS intergerd with the feature, therefore iCloud keychain will work seamless across your Apple devices. Unless you have to or using other platform, then 3rd app might be the way to go.

Can't wait for all the OS updates and new devices from Apple :D
 
The reason I stop upgrading 1Password, the price...

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I always think The Oatmeal's App comic fits in nicely when people discuss price and what they feel they should or shouldn't pay.

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps

$49 for a password manager and $.99 app are not even in the same space....

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Looking for a $.99 iToys app? 1Password is serious software.

It's not worth $17/$49. And I have used it for years....

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I feel this update is a tad bit too late with Keychain in the Cloud.

...however, I do love 1Password's ability to generate passwords with a large array of options. For example, my Facebook password has 256 random characters and symbols. Does anyone know if Keychain in the Cloud offer such ability? I do recall during WWDC that it would help suggest passwords to use but not sure the extent of the password generating.

OS X 10.9 now does this for you as well...
 
I can't live without this App. I use 1Password almost 30++ times a day on iPhone, iPad and Mac. Anybody arguing about the price or it's security has not used it. This is premium software.

Finally version 4 on the Mac.

I got it in a sale (50% off all versions) but would happily pay full price for such an excellent product. VERY happy to hear that iCloud sync is coming meaning my desktop and iOS versions can now work with no fiddling about.
 
Firstly let me bitch about the price.

Damnit! Bought their store version about 10 days before the free upgrades to V4 kicked in.

Now let me defend the price. The $80 I have invested or so in the program has been worth its weight in gold. Before I jumped on board with 1password my papal, steam and hotmail accounts were all hacked. The time, effort, and mental stress of having to jump through hoops to ensure I wound up not out of pocket was quite frankly intense. The $80 to ensure I never had to go through that is rather cheap in the grand scheme of things.

And yes I know there are alternatives, but lastpass's interface didn't really click with me. Plus I would had needed the premium version anyway which means that overtime it may very well have cost me more.

You could have done all that for $12. In fact you could have done it for free.
 
I think there are still a few reasons still to use 1Password.

Do you use Windows or want to view your passwords in browser on other OS's?
Do you trust Apples iCloud to keep your passwords secure (1password by default stores everything locally)?
Would you rather use Dropbox to sync?
How about storing files securely, or having a dedicated place for secure notes, other personal information, software keys etc...
You can easily backup, restore and merge the 1Password file store.

And the best reason of all...

It's always available. iCloud may not be.

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The reason I stop upgrading 1Password, the price...

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$49 for a password manager and $.99 app are not even in the same space....

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It's not worth $17/$49. And I have used it for years....

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OS X 10.9 now does this for you as well...



I agree their prices are a little high for what you get. $19 for their desktop app seems more reasonable. But who am I to judge.
 
Moar like 0password after iCloud Keychain comes out, amirite?

For many folks yes. iCloud will be all they feel they need especially for the extravagant price for 1password

Although to be fair, if you have misgivings about the NSA perhaps iCloud Keychain should be avoided.

You really think the NSA wouldn't go after 1password etc as well. Sure they would have to get a local agency in on the game but it is highly unlikely that the US is the only country playing these kinds of games with folks living there. If the NSA wanted the info they would find a way to go after it
 
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The reason I stop upgrading 1Password, the price...

$49 for a password manager and $.99 app are not even in the same space....
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It's not worth $17/$49. And I have used it for years....

It's not worth it...to you. Big difference, obviously, between personal opinion and broad generalization.
 
. Apple's Dev site has been compromised, too, so I have my doubts about iCloud security.

Not the same system. And it was never confirmed if someone got in and how far. It was never even confirmed if those names and emails were even legit or if he faked the results.

Apple treated it as a confirmed threat but that's just good trade craft.
 
You really think the NSA wouldn't go after 1password etc as well.

As the 1Password encrypted store is stored locally on the computer/device that would mean that they would have to break into your computer in order to retrieve the file, and use a keystroke logger to find the password. Or attempt to crack the encryption without it.

Which is a little different to having a copy of your data on a server in the US stored by a US based company which may or may not have backdoors. Or transmitting it over the internet to the remote iCloud server where it can be intercepted.

Sure 1Password may be forced to create a backdoor as well, but even then its not like everyones data is stored on the companies servers.
 
iCloud keychain will work seamless across your Apple devices. Unless you have to or using other platform, then 3rd app might be the way to go].


This is exactly why I prefer using third party apps. I use multiple platforms daily. I don't want to be tied to using a specific platform.


I agree their prices are a little high for what you get. $19 for their desktop app seems more reasonable. But who am I to judge.

I don't think I've ever paid full price for one of their apps, but I happily would have. They are really good at having sales. They often have sales for the Mac App, and it's usually around $19.

Not to mention that AgileBits has great customer support. After the MAS version came out, I bought that (already had a Mac license through a bundle). I emailed them asking if they offered a cross-grade; I was willing to pay money to port the Mac license over to Windows. Instead they just gave me a free windows license and said thanks for supporting the company.

I think it's great that Apple offers this feature built-in (as well as many others). But some people would like advanced features not available, or multi-platform support. And if people don't continue buying 3rd party apps, they become locked in to a specific platform. Don't get me wrong, if I'm going to get locked in to a platform, I'm glad it's Apple's due to the breadth of services, but I'd rather avoid getting locked-in in the first place.
 
Nope, I'll whine. Whine whine whine whine whine!

Cheese with your white whine?

Obviously, you're a troll.

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I'm not a shill, I was genuinely angry with AgileBits for taking away WiFi sync, but I will repeat myself: They listen to their customers.

You don't need WiFi Sync. In fact, I find wifi sync feature to be extremley unreliable and unsecure, considering this is an encryption app.

The sync over encrypted iCloud or Dropbox or through physical cable is much secure in my opinion.
 
Ok, doing my best to catch up here.

$17.99? Seriously? :p

Yup. $17.99. That includes both the iPad and iPhone app all in one. No restrictions nor any recurring fees. Buy it once and you get that version. Example, version 3 has been out for a bit over 3 years. $18 / 3 = $6 per year, if you want to think of it that way.

Is there any major reason to buy this, over using the upcoming iCloud Keychain?

I think there are still a few reasons still to use 1Password.

Do you use Windows or want to view your passwords in browser on other OS's?
Do you trust Apples iCloud to keep your passwords secure (1password by default stores everything locally)?
Would you rather use Dropbox to sync?
How about storing files securely, or having a dedicated place for secure notes, other personal information, software keys etc...
You can easily backup, restore and merge the 1Password file store.

1Password is cross-platform, what is even more important, Apple has never been a security company so I would not believe in their expertise in making security software.

There are actually 3 major reasons that come to mind to use 1Password or similar programs:
  1. These applications store information that doesn't "fit" on the iCloud Keychain including:
    • Serial Numbers, especially for things you take out of your home like portable electronics and camera gear.
    • Combinations for locks
    • Software registration keys
    • etc
  2. Cross platform compatibility (not just Macs and iOS devices)
  3. The easy ability to look up information on your iOS device when you are at a computer that isn't yours.

That's all a great list. A few that stand out to me:

* Use any browser you want, not just Safari
* Use it cross platform
* Know how the data is encrypted: http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/Security/keychain-design.html
* Full control over how it syncs (USB, Dropbox or iCloud)
* Advanced features like control over your generated passwords, you can set the strength and determine the needs for your use.
* Organizational tools built in
* Custom fields and sections to add your own data to existing templates
* Support - If you run into trouble you can contact us directly for help.

Know that not everyone uses Safari, as indicated by numerous browser analytics... I'd say that's one of my favorite features. I can switch from Firefox to Chrome to Safari... all without skipping a beat.


I feel this update is a tad bit too late with Keychain in the Cloud.

...however, I do love 1Password's ability to generate passwords with a large array of options. For example, my Facebook password has 256 random characters and symbols. Does anyone know if Keychain in the Cloud offer such ability? I do recall during WWDC that it would help suggest passwords to use but not sure the extent of the password generating.

As mentioned above, there are so many more uses for 1Password. iCloud Keychain, like many other Apple products is very entry level. If it works for those people who only want the essentials, fantastic, we want all users to be safe online. But there will always be people who want more than what the entry level offers.

About time. I've been waiting for that promised iCloud support ever since I bought this app earlier this year. Though I'm not sure how much I'll be using this app now when iCloud keychain comes out. This reminds me of the move Pandora made just recently to get ahead of iTunes Radio.

We've been working on the Mac version since last year. This definitely isn't a reaction to anything Apple. We're doing our best to get this version out so our anxious users can use it.

Moar like 0password after iCloud Keychain comes out, amirite?

Although to be fair, if you have misgivings about the NSA perhaps iCloud Keychain should be avoided.

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At $17.99 they definitely ain't eating at Arby's.

We're a pretty big team of people. Have you seen our company page? http://www.agilebits.com/company

I'm a pretty big fan of their curly fries... :)

I don't know what I would do without this piece of software.

Thanks! Me neither. I was a user of the software for years prior to getting a job working with this great team. It's fantastic to hear that other people find it as useful as we do :)

Thanks for voluntarily giving your passwords to NSA :D

You can learn about our encryption methods here: http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/Security/keychain-design.html

We have zero access to your data, so, not so sure how the NSA would be gaining access to your passwords. We take security very seriously and you can read a bit about the NSA/PRISM thing in regard to 1Password here:

http://blog.agilebits.com/2013/06/07/nsa-prism-1password-security/

So the desktop app is free (which is good), but I have to keep paying for iOS updates every release. Wow.

And still no proper Android app. Glad I switched to LastPass Premium.

The Desktop app is not free, it's $49, but is a free upgrade for users who purchased from our website in 2013 and any MAS purchase gets an upgrade as well.

The Android app is getting an update, which you can preview here: http://blog.agilebits.com/2013/07/14/1password-new-android-screenshots/
 
What would the point of the drivers license feature be? I feel like I'm missing something obvious here...

It's not like you can tell someone "Hey, I forgot my license so let me pull out my 1password" since the vast majority of the time they need the physical card. And it's not like there's that many online forms that require driver license #s.

You can attach a photo of your driver's license if you wish. I keep it in 1Password because it's a copy and paste away instead of having to type it in. Do I use it that often? No, but, being able to quickly access it is pretty awesome when I do need it.

I'm not so familiar with these password banks/keychains, but I see their usefulness as we all have regularly increasing logins to store.

I just wonder how safe storing so many passwords in one place can be, let alone storing them digitally, whether locally or in a cloud. It seems frightening what kind of potential for nefarious use is out there should someone manage to access your data, not to mention the company itself having access. I definitely wouldn't trust a "free" password bank, just as I wouldn't trust a physical bank protected by "free" security.

Can someone tell me if the convenience can outweigh the potential for damage, or where I'm mistaken?

It's all encrypted. The point is to use a giant single password that is used to encrypt your passwords. The encryption would take a long time to break (without some serious resources).

In addition, they all recommend changing the individual passwords as well as the master password every few months. If you follow basic security practices and someone ever did grab your password file - it would take so long to decrypt the passwords, they would be out of date.

That said, it surprises me how many people store static info like addresses and SSNs in these systems (1pass, lastpass, keepass, etc). That's foolish - since you can't "change" that information like the individual passwords if a security breach were to happen

Also the companies don't "have access" to the unencrypted data. There's no backdoor they can use to gain access to your data.

Yes, the data is all encrypted. So, someone would have to get both your 1Password data file, and your master password. The Master Password is never transferred anywhere and you should not use it for anything other than 1Password. It should be a unique password.

We don't recommend changing the master password frequently, if you have no reason to believe it is weak or it isn't used anywhere else, keep the one you're using. There's not a lot of point to changing it frequently so long as it is a strong and unique password that you don't use anywhere else.

If all you use are Apple devices no. If like the rest the world you want don't want to entirely dependent on Apple and use different devices in different set ups then its a big YES.

Not just Apple devices, but Apple software. By the looks of things, it's Safari only too.

I heard they want to remove local sync support and go Dropbox/iCloud only.

HELL NO.

The securest data is the data that does NOT leave your home! Why would I want my passwords "out there", even if they are in an encrypted form?

No way, guys! :mad:

We offer USB Sync currently and may have more to share closer to 1Password 4 for Mac release.

I think you have not learned a thing so far and still do not understand how system works ;)

Our applications do not transmit any information to us. We don't even get analytics. All we can see are how many times it is downloaded and purchased from our site (using logs from the server). No other data is transmitted to AgileBits.

There are 2 reasons why the Mac app would contact our servers:

1) Checking for updates (it downloads an XML file, if you're familiar with Sparkle, that's what it's doing)
2) Downloading thumbnails for websites. Currently we generate these in the app and to do so it requests the website and starts looking for images it can use.

AgileBits deserves your money.

Sure, Apple will beat them at the basic level and with integration into iOS and OS X with iCloud Keychain. But if you don't want your keychain in the cloud, what then? Remember, Apple is subject to the NSA, or any idiot fed with a "warrant." (Read the news. I'm being generous with just quotes here.)

AgileBits took away LAN WiFi syncing from 1Password, then pushed their DropBox sync system, but then after hearing all the negative feedback about it (and believe me, I was part of the negative feedback), they've been working on a USB sync solution. It's still beta, but it works pretty well, and it satisfies the need of us paranoid types who refuse to let their password managers ever talk to the network.

So... how has Apple been responding to your feedback lately?

I'm not a shill, I was genuinely angry with AgileBits for taking away WiFi sync, but I will repeat myself: They listen to their customers.

Thanks! We think you'll be happily delighted in the next release then.. or shortly thereafter :)

Seriously? Are they dropping local sync? Why would they be stupid enough to make it less secure?

It's not less secure. And, as a few others have pointed out, we do offer USB sync, which is actually more secure because it's not even transmitted over a wireless network. :)

Besides, everyone at AgileBits uses Dropbox or iCloud syncing. We wouldn't recommend it if it weren't secure. Also, we have USB sync if you prefer to not put your data anywhere in the cloud.
 
I'm confused. First you say that they have to pay developers but then you say that they are a small company.

Maybe the problem is that their staff is too bloated? Maybe they did not take the time to figure out their business model properly? Why should I, as a Canadian pay for export fees to other countries? Shouldn't the price of the app differ per country?

I bought the desktop version and the iOS version but now they want me to pay again for another release? No.

I should have a right to complain about the price especially considering how much I paid previously.

There's no fee for exporting from Canada, the OP you're replying to is slightly misunderstanding I believe. No harm done.

If you have an issue with the upgrade (we haven't announced anything other than the users who are getting free upgrades) please contact our support after release. We'll be able to do more for you then.

Looking at these replies to my previous post about the license feature I guess I've really been missing something.

Does the feature saved scanned copies of the license? If it does that - then I could see it being useful. I've needed to scan in my license from time to time, but never just the #.

Yes. You can attach an image to items and view them on iOS devices.

Firstly let me bitch about the price.

Damnit! Bought their store version about 10 days before the free upgrades to V4 kicked in.

Now let me defend the price. The $80 I have invested or so in the program has been worth its weight in gold. Before I jumped on board with 1password my papal, steam and hotmail accounts were all hacked. The time, effort, and mental stress of having to jump through hoops to ensure I wound up not out of pocket was quite frankly intense. The $80 to ensure I never had to go through that is rather cheap in the grand scheme of things.

And yes I know there are alternatives, but lastpass's interface didn't really click with me. Plus I would had needed the premium version anyway which means that overtime it may very well have cost me more.

Contact us after it's released and we can discuss. Link in my signature.

1Password is truly life changing software if you run a business and are mobile. A single purchase from the App Store allows installation on up to five devices. I have 506 files in it, many with several windows of data each. Each day we, add more.

Before 1Password, trying to keep all that straight across devices and employees was pretty much impossible. Now, entering account data (e.g., passwords, account numbers, user names, etc.) is fast and easy. If some changes something, everyone else knows seconds later when the accounts sync.

It's a critical part of our daily operations and the succession plans for my companies.

Great to hear! If you ever think of features you'd like to see, please send us an email :) We're always interested in how users would like to use our app. Feedback is always welcome!

Its overpriced bloatware (I am a v3 user).

The fact that it does not automatically fill in passwords is beyond hiliarious (oh sorry its a "feature")

The price is too high compared that you buy OSX for a third of that price. But, hey if people buy it, something must be right.

It doesn't "auto-fill" when you visit the page, no. This is something we've debated a lot but we have so far decided we would rather the choice be given to the user when to fill. I'll definitely bring this up to the developers though!

When 1password launched in Mac App Store, AgileBits said the new 1 password 4 would come only in Mac App Store.
So, I purchased MAS version even though I had some license through AgileBits store.
And now it's also available for free upgrade.
Okay, I wasted money for what I already had.

Depends, only purchases made in 2013 from our website will receive free upgrades. This is something many media sites seem to have neglected to include in their posts. So, unless you purchased the website version in 2013, it wasn't a waste of money :)

The No Such Agency taps YOUR ISP!

Doesn't matter with 1Password. The data is fully encrypted before leaving your computer and all traffic between your computer and Dropbox, for example, are encrypted yet again.

See here: http://blog.agilebits.com/2013/06/07/nsa-prism-1password-security/

How is the desktop app for Windows? Is it like 1Password? I'm in the process of moving away from 1Password as I'm not pleased at all with the lack of an Android app and they constantly ask for more money with every new version. In the end I think it's cheaper LastPass. The only thing that's keeping me to make the switch is that I'm used to 1Password and LastPass does seem to be more a browser plugin than a true program (for Windows). So, how good is the desktop app?

You can try the Windows app: http://www.agilebits.com/downloads there's a free 30 day trial.

I really want this, I hope they do an introductory price.

Sign up for our newsletter we'll likely announce any sales (if we have any) on there: https://agilebits.com/company/newsletter

There is no "desktop app" per se. It's all in the secure browser called the LastPass Vault. Works just like 1Password. I like it because my $12 premium, allows me 1Password like experience on ALL my devices, in sync. 1Password wanted even more money for the Windows desktop version even though I paid for the Mac desktop version already.

Even Adobe and Blizzard allows their software to be installed on Windows and/or Mac with one purchase. I won't stand for overpriced products from greedy companies anymore. I find it funny that Agilebits is given 1Password 4 to Mac users for free, but charge us for each new iOS app.

I'm pretty sure they'll want another $20 if and when the Android app becomes available. No thanks.

Only purchases made in 2013 from our website and MAS purchases get free upgrades. We made the promise to MAS customers upon release there that they'd get a free upgrade to version 4. So, we're honoring that commitment.

If you have any concerns though, email us at our support email. It's in the link in my signature.

Payed for services have had security problems before. Being able to see the source code would have been more reasuring. Particularly with the random passwords, how random are they realy, where does the entropy come from?

We discuss the encryption here, fully documented: http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/Security/keychain-design.html

While we don't have it open source, we do have it reviewed for security related issues. We also use standard encryption practices, as outlined in the link above. We're as open as we can be about it, in fact other tools have used that documentation to make read-only utilities that read the data. Confirming the fact it's all standard encryption and not a home made thing :)

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I hope there is a way to merge two separate databases together.

I think we may have a better solution for you coming in the future. Stay tuned.

Dropbox is dropping the API that 1password uses for sync come Sept 1.

Only for 1Password 3 for iOS. Version 4 is using the latest Dropbox APIs and therefore is unaffected.

For many folks yes. iCloud will be all they feel they need especially for the extravagant price for 1password



You really think the NSA wouldn't go after 1password etc as well. Sure they would have to get a local agency in on the game but it is highly unlikely that the US is the only country playing these kinds of games with folks living there. If the NSA wanted the info they would find a way to go after it

None of your data is stored on our computers. It's stored on your computer and optionally synced to iCloud or Dropbox. We get a few law enforcement related emails that ask how to recover data from a device and we tell them they have to know the user's master password. Without it, there's no way to access the data. It's the same thing we tell users who have forgotten their master password.

All we'd have is minimal information regarding your purchase history with us (name and license info), which won't do anyone any good.
 
Yes. You can attach an image to items and view them on iOS devices.

Ok, that's cool then.

On a side note - do you happen to know if 1password for windows has gotten any better? I purchased the mac/windows bundle a while back since I have to use both everyday - but kept having issues with windows browser upgrades breaking the install. Seems like the mac version has never had that problem.

Been using lastpass in the meantime, but 1password is definitely a lot more polished.
 
Ok, that's cool then.

On a side note - do you happen to know if 1password for windows has gotten any better? I purchased the mac/windows bundle a while back since I have to use both everyday - but kept having issues with windows browser upgrades breaking the install. Seems like the mac version has never had that problem.

Been using lastpass in the meantime, but 1password is definitely a lot more polished.

I can't say I've had that happen. What browser on Windows?

Firefox, Chrome and Safari on windows all use the same extension as that on the Mac. Internet Explorer has to use a binary add-on and that may be slightly more prone to trouble with browser upgrades though, it should resolve by simply unchecking the option in 1Password preferences for IE and then restarting and re-enabling.

You're welcome to contact us via support as well (link in my signature). We'll do what we can to get you up and running!
 
I'd much rather just take the time to remember my passwords....

So, the common issue here is the following:

* User makes up some crazy complex password
* Remembers it
* Uses it on several sites, or all sites

Then something like LinkedIn happens and a giant list of known passwords and email addresses are released.

If that user used the same password on a bunch of sites, now they have to go and change the password on ALL of those sites.

The human mind can only remember so many complex things. Passwords being one of them.

I remember the following:

* 1Password Master Password
* Dropbox password
* AppleID password
* Password for my computer

And I forget my 4 digit debit card pin on a daily basis :)

So, I use 1Password's random password generator on all websites. For those that I need to remember, I make them pronounceable. Now, 1Password has a unique password for EVERY site and if one gets broken into like LinkedIn, I only have to change the single password for that site... not dozens or hundreds of other sites.

Plus, many sites require you rotate out passwords every 3 months or so.

I'd rather have a tool that remembers my passwords than use the same one on all of my websites and have that security risk hanging over me.

Hope that helps explain why a tool like 1Password is valuable.
 
We're a pretty big team of people. Have you seen our company page? http://www.agilebits.com/company

I'm a pretty big fan of their curly fries... :)

Explain and justify the price difference between the iOS and Mac app.

If you found more of a reasonable difference between the iOS and Mac version it would strengthen your case.

The respective app stores are extremely competitive markets. Even taking the consumer's point of view aside, if you want to make more money, you could do so by being more competitive by bringing in more customers with a more attractive price. This is a password app, not an office quite. There is much evidence to suggest that a lower price will bring in a much greater volume of customers.
 
Explain and justify the price difference between the iOS and Mac app.

If you found more of a reasonable difference between the iOS and Mac version it would strengthen your case.

The respective app stores are extremely competitive markets. Even taking the consumer's point of view aside, if you want to make more money, you could do so by being more competitive by bringing in more customers with a more attractive price. This is a password app, not an office quite. There is much evidence to suggest that a lower price will bring in a much greater volume of customers.

I'm not the one who makes the decisions on pricing. So, I can't give you any real insight into things there.

I can say however that the Mac application does a whole lot more than the iOS app. I'd encourage you to try the demo when we release it to see. It's well above and beyond even what we've previewed to the media so far. I think the Desktop/iOS thing is slightly skewed in favor of the iOS side at the moment because it's a new app and does a lot of new things and a lot of better things. But, all of those come to the Desktop and a whole lot more. We haven't given a lot of details on the whole lot more yet :)

That said though, there's a wonderful article that I always approach when I think about pricing. It always opens my eyes to how things work...

Many people think that by charging a low price you increase the sales volume and that makes up for the difference, however, that isn't necessarily true. Give this article a read, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the end.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/CamelsandRubberDuckies.html

Now, I'm not saying we follow this at all (it is from 2004 afterall) but I think it includes a whole lot of valuable information that many people aren't readily aware of. I certainly wasn't until after I had read it several years ago. It's useful information to rethink the idea of pricing.

Hope that helps make some sense of things.
 
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