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We believe that the best experience for our new users is a 1Password.com membership. We've heard from our users who have switched, we have heard from our users who are new, and the consensus is that the new user experience is significantly better when they use a 1Password.com membership.

I feel a truly above-board company would list all the options and let the customer decide. It's clear what is really going on...you have decided endless monthly revenue is more profitable to you than one time purchases are in the long run. And that's fine. But you should be honest about that and not hide options. Companies that hide things are shady. And don't get my business.
 
We are creative people and we like to be creative in other ways than just the app. I'm sorry if they're a bit lengthy for you, but that's why we started including the TL;DR. I suspect most people like yourself tend to skip to the section where each new feature/improvement/fix are listed though. Those are the real meat of the release notes.

Here's a vote for creative, fun writing when trying to explain things, especially when a lot of your audience will be people who aren't tech-savvy and like to know there are real and friendly people on the other end waiting to help. OTOH, I'm a 30+-year computer user who is highly impressed by your website, the info you present there, and the ways you present it. I started the 30-day Family trial today and fully expect to join at the end of the trial period.
 
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I don’t get the Handoff part, so what’s the feature? Is it for mac interaction too?

Right now only the iOS application supports handoff. So you can view an item on one and it'll show the same item on another. In the future you can expect the Mac version to support it as well and we expect that it'll be a bit more useful to more people at that time.
 
Right now only the iOS application supports handoff. So you can view an item on one and it'll show the same item on another. In the future you can expect the Mac version to support it as well and we expect that it'll be a bit more useful to more people at that time.

Ok, so it is mainly for viewing the same Login info page on multiple devices at the same time?
 
Licenses and standalone purchases are still offered for Mac and iOS. We'll be bringing it back for the Windows application with the launch of 1Password 7 for Windows.

We still offer standalone licenses.

Licenses and standalone purchases are still offered for Mac and iOS. We'll be bringing it back for the Windows application with the launch of 1Password 7 for Windows.

Hiya, I'm a long time user of 1Password, I can't imagine my life without it!

Are you able to give a timeframe for when 1P 7 for Windows will be available? I'm one of those weird people who uses MacOS, Windows, iOS and Android, and I'm really excited about getting 1P as an extension in Edge.
 
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I really don’t like the changes to the Favorites on my iPhone. It’s now extra steps to open the web site. Just takes longer now. Can we get an option to revert back to the previous layout?

Also, can we hide the recently-used logins from Favorites? That is a ridiculous design change in my opinion. Those are pretty much never my favorites, or they’d be there in the first place! With this change my organized single page (no scrolling) of Favorites is now a scrolling page because the TOP 3 items are randomly used recent logins. Gah!

At least give us options for this...!

Much of this feels like changes for the sake of it...
 
I feel a truly above-board company would list all the options and let the customer decide. It's clear what is really going on...you have decided endless monthly revenue is more profitable to you than one time purchases are in the long run. And that's fine. But you should be honest about that and not hide options. Companies that hide things are shady. And don't get my business.

We did let customers decide. And it was a bit of a mess. A lot of refunds and switching hassles and all kinds of things. Our support team was overwhelmed.

Look, I get it, you're a technical person. You frequent this forum, you "get" things in this field really well. Consider yourself extremely lucky.

What if I told you a vast majority of our users are not like you and they are not technical people? What if letting people who don't know anything about password managers, or Dropbox sync or iCloud sync make a determination on how to proceed means that many make the wrong decision for themselves and get frustrated and then after getting things fixed turn to us and say "I wish you had just said this in the first place."

You and me, we aren't the people this change is focused at. You can be upset if you wish, you can hate the way we've done this. I won't fault you for it but you're also not the type of person we're trying to help by making it so we don't talk about standalone licensing.

An above-board company is going to do everything they can to make their users experience the best it can be. I'd hate to see the number of people we lost, who didn't take the time to write in, because we sent them down a path (of their own choosing, but a choice we allowed) that turned out bad for them and they never gave us the chance to fix.

I've said this in numerous other places on this forum, so I'll say it again.

For Mac:
We released 1Password 3 - November 11, 2009. It was a paid upgrade.
We released 1Password 4 - October 4, 2013. It was a paid upgrade
We released 1Password 5 - October 16, 2014. It was a free upgrade
We released 1Password 6 - January 12, 2016. It was a free upgrade

Nearly 4 years with no paid upgrade between 1Password 3 and 4. But here's a fun one. When we released 1Password 4 in 2013, October mind you, we gave everyone who purchased 1Password 3 in 2013 a free upgrade. That's 10 months of previous purchases that got free upgrades.

1Password for iOS is similar. The updates were all released in similar timeframes. Except there's no really easy way to handle upgrades for those. With 1Password 4 for iOS we made it a new app and therefore a paid upgrade for everyone. Since there was no way to upgrade people easily we went above and beyond again.

If a user purchased 1Password 3 in the month before we released version 4 we found a way to upgrade them, whether it be an Promo code, an iTunes Gift Card, or a PayPal reimbursement we did everything we could to upgrade those users. Many took advantage and double dipped.

When we had to pull 1Password for Mac's iCloud support, from our website version, we refunded everyone we could within our payment processors refund window (as far back as a year or more) so they could purchase the Mac App Store version (which we also put on sale during that time).

Does any of this sound like a company that does things for the money? We could've just charged for a new upgrade every year if we wanted. That surely would've brought more money in. But we've gone years without charging our users for upgrades all while giving them great new features, bug fixes, and improvements all from their original purchase (in most cases many years ago). And 1Password 7 for iOS is no exception, it's not a paid upgrade, so we did all this work to get this release ready and we're charging absolutely no one who has already purchased previous versions.

We've really done our best to make our users feel loved and appreciated. I don't think anything we've done in the past has ever given anyone the idea that we are doing something for the money. We do what we do because we care.

Here's a vote for creative, fun writing when trying to explain things, especially when a lot of your audience will be people who aren't tech-savvy and like to know there are real and friendly people on the other end waiting to help. OTOH, I'm a 30+-year computer user who is highly impressed by your website, the info you present there, and the ways you present it. I started the 30-day Family trial today and fully expect to join at the end of the trial period.

Thank you! I know it's not everyone's favorite thing but we work hard to make a version of 1Password as good as it can be. When I say my colleagues on the iOS team went above and beyond this release it's a bit of an understatement. I know one of my colleagues spent much of a week at work on some things, then went home took care of his kids, came back to continue work after that and sacrificed a lot of his free time for 1-2 weeks just to make sure we had things ready to go. Another colleague spent much of the day (and evening) working on getting imagery mocked up for submission to Apple for this version as well. Everyone I work with is passionate about 1Password and giving our users the very best we can. Our documentation team spent time trying to document something they didn't even have their hands on.

The release notes are kind of our way of showing off the hard work of many of our developers and teammates. Kind of like the credits at the end of a movie. We're excited about these releases and we want our users to be excited. :)
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Hiya, I'm a long time user of 1Password, I can't imagine my life without it!

Are you able to give a timeframe for when 1P 7 for Windows will be available? I'm one of those weird people who uses MacOS, Windows, iOS and Android, and I'm really excited about getting 1P as an extension in Edge.

I am afraid I don't have any information I can give there. We're being a bit tight lipped about this because we want to under promise and over deliver. I'm also part of our iOS and Mac teams, so I don't really have a lot of direct involvement with the Windows application, so I can't give any insight or nuggets of information I'm afraid. Our Windows team has been very hard at work on version 6, and it's shown. They had to write an app completely from scratch and play catch up with all of our other teams, with fewer developers as well. They've done an amazing job and I look forward to seeing what they do with version 7 :)

I really don’t like the changes to the Favorites on my iPhone. It’s now extra steps to open the web site. Just takes longer now. Can we get an option to revert back to the previous layout?

Also, can we hide the recently-used logins from Favorites? That is a ridiculous design change in my opinion. Those are pretty much never my favorites, or they’d be there in the first place! With this change my organized single page (no scrolling) of Favorites is now a scrolling page because the TOP 3 items are randomly used recent logins. Gah!

At least give us options for this...!

Much of this feels like changes for the sake of it...

I'm sorry to hear you don't like the new favorites. Almost all of the feedback I've seen today has been people saying they really love it.

Do you have a phone capable of 3D Touch? If so, force touch on the item and it'll open the details view. That'll let you tap the website url like you previously had to do.

I'll pass your feedback along about the recents. I have grown to really love the Recents list since it was introduced. I'd be curious if after using it for a few weeks you still have the same opinion of it.
 
Kyle,

thanks for the update and coming here and explaining yourself. I have used 1password for a long time now and am a big fan. Some of my data I imported years ago was originally from YAPS which I would have had on my palm pilot in 1997, so I do like password managers.

I have a hard time understanding how the standalone versions are in any way hard to use, or how the cloud based option is better or easier. But I am not your target market. As long as you keep offering the standalone versions I will be happy. My main worry is that subscription based products are not at all sustainable and that customers will have a backlash against companies endless charging us fees for everything, every month. But hopefully that works for you.

I am looking forward to the improved cut and paste on my iphone. that is one of the things I do most with 1password. Drives me crazy when a webform won't support pasting a password too.
 
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The release notes are kind of our way of showing off the hard work of many of our developers and teammates. Kind of like the credits at the end of a movie. We're excited about these releases and we want our users to be excited. :)

And well you should. The other side of the equation, in my own experience, is that the ones who gripe the loudest about how they have time for only a "TL;DR" approach are the first to come back whining when they run into trouble that's directly caused by their having done things in a half-***ed way — because they were so impatient.
 
I used them for years and love the apps. When they announced subscription service it was sad but they mentioned they will still run stand alone. Now that’s the way to do it. Offer both and let the users decide how they want to pay.
 
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Kyle,

thanks for the update and coming here and explaining yourself. I have used 1password for a long time now and am a big fan. Some of my data I imported years ago was originally from YAPS which I would have had on my palm pilot in 1997, so I do like password managers.

I have a hard time understanding how the standalone versions are in any way hard to use, or how the cloud based option is better or easier. But I am not your target market. As long as you keep offering the standalone versions I will be happy. My main worry is that subscription based products are not at all sustainable and that customers will have a backlash against companies endless charging us fees for everything, every month. But hopefully that works for you.

I am looking forward to the improved cut and paste on my iphone. that is one of the things I do most with 1password. Drives me crazy when a webform won't support pasting a password too.

I wouldn't say you're not the target market. I was simply saying that the reason we made changes to our webpage to not show standalone licenses was because of new users who are better served by using our membership option instead.

Those changes to the webpage weren't targeted towards users like yourself, but the product still is. You may or may not find the changes useful to you personally, but I wouldn't say it's not targeted to you either :)

We've already announced though that 1Password 7 for Mac and Windows will be available as a standalone license option if users so choose to purchase it that way.

And well you should. The other side of the equation, in my own experience, is that the ones who gripe the loudest about how they have time for only a "TL;DR" approach are the first to come back whining when they run into trouble that's directly caused by their having done things in a half-***ed way — because they were so impatient.

I don't like to assume things like that. I mostly just wanted to point out the reasons why we do the release notes like we do. We totally get that not everyone is going to like them. We've had complaints about them for a couple years now, it's why the TL;DR was added but we're unlikely to change how we do them. They're good for us emotionally and they're good for our users. :)

It's odd though because the release notes are often very polarizing, people love them or they hate them. There's very little in between it seems.
 
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I am on the subscription (using Mac App Store) and I don't see any update.

This is for the iOS version, not the Mac version. Version 7 for Mac is still a ways off. We're prepping for 1Password 6.9 for Mac which will lay some very important ground work for version 7. We'll have more to discuss with 6.9 in the future but suffice to say it'll be a pretty significant change under the hood. Our hope is that most people don't notice those changes :)
 
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This is for the iOS version, not the Mac version. Version 7 for Mac is still a ways off. We're prepping for 1Password 6.9 for Mac which will lay some very important ground work for version 7. We'll have more to discuss with 6.9 in the future but suffice to say it'll be a pretty significant change under the hood. Our hope is that most people don't notice those changes :)
Love the update but handoff not working may be I am running iOS 11.2 on my iPad
 

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Disclaimer: I work for AgileBits, makers of 1Password.

Simply update the app and it's the same as before in this regard. The only window you'll see, and it's a one time window, is a "What's new" list. It gets dismissed by you and you'll never see it again. We hope to do this for each major release going forward I think. (7.1, 7.2, etc) to let people know a bit more about the major new changes.

It's a free upgrade for anyone that has purchased our Pro features, using a subscription, or were using the free version. Nothing changed in this regard.

Thank you for letting non-subscription users continue to upgrade to new versions.
 
No I get the attached message

Hey, neat error!

So, under the hood the way this words is each vault has a UUID (a unique identifier) and each item also has a UUID. During handoff we pass these two identifiers over to the other device so it can locate the exact vault and item.

With that in mind, that error is saying it can't find that vault or that item in the vault.

Can you view that particular item on that device? If so, it's possible you have two vaults that were once different and have now merged them together, which will potentially cause this to happen.
 
We did let customers decide. And it was a bit of a mess. A lot of refunds and switching hassles and all kinds of things. Our support team was overwhelmed.

Look, I get it, you're a technical person. You frequent this forum, you "get" things in this field really well. Consider yourself extremely lucky.

What if I told you a vast majority of our users are not like you and they are not technical people? What if letting people who don't know anything about password managers, or Dropbox sync or iCloud sync make a determination on how to proceed means that many make the wrong decision for themselves and get frustrated and then after getting things fixed turn to us and say "I wish you had just said this in the first place."

You and me, we aren't the people this change is focused at. You can be upset if you wish, you can hate the way we've done this. I won't fault you for it but you're also not the type of person we're trying to help by making it so we don't talk about standalone licensing.

An above-board company is going to do everything they can to make their users experience the best it can be. I'd hate to see the number of people we lost, who didn't take the time to write in, because we sent them down a path (of their own choosing, but a choice we allowed) that turned out bad for them and they never gave us the chance to fix.

I've said this in numerous other places on this forum, so I'll say it again.

For Mac:
We released 1Password 3 - November 11, 2009. It was a paid upgrade.
We released 1Password 4 - October 4, 2013. It was a paid upgrade
We released 1Password 5 - October 16, 2014. It was a free upgrade
We released 1Password 6 - January 12, 2016. It was a free upgrade

Nearly 4 years with no paid upgrade between 1Password 3 and 4. But here's a fun one. When we released 1Password 4 in 2013, October mind you, we gave everyone who purchased 1Password 3 in 2013 a free upgrade. That's 10 months of previous purchases that got free upgrades.

1Password for iOS is similar. The updates were all released in similar timeframes. Except there's no really easy way to handle upgrades for those. With 1Password 4 for iOS we made it a new app and therefore a paid upgrade for everyone. Since there was no way to upgrade people easily we went above and beyond again.

If a user purchased 1Password 3 in the month before we released version 4 we found a way to upgrade them, whether it be an Promo code, an iTunes Gift Card, or a PayPal reimbursement we did everything we could to upgrade those users. Many took advantage and double dipped.

When we had to pull 1Password for Mac's iCloud support, from our website version, we refunded everyone we could within our payment processors refund window (as far back as a year or more) so they could purchase the Mac App Store version (which we also put on sale during that time).

Does any of this sound like a company that does things for the money? We could've just charged for a new upgrade every year if we wanted. That surely would've brought more money in. But we've gone years without charging our users for upgrades all while giving them great new features, bug fixes, and improvements all from their original purchase (in most cases many years ago). And 1Password 7 for iOS is no exception, it's not a paid upgrade, so we did all this work to get this release ready and we're charging absolutely no one who has already purchased previous versions.

We've really done our best to make our users feel loved and appreciated. I don't think anything we've done in the past has ever given anyone the idea that we are doing something for the money. We do what we do because we care.



Thank you! I know it's not everyone's favorite thing but we work hard to make a version of 1Password as good as it can be. When I say my colleagues on the iOS team went above and beyond this release it's a bit of an understatement. I know one of my colleagues spent much of a week at work on some things, then went home took care of his kids, came back to continue work after that and sacrificed a lot of his free time for 1-2 weeks just to make sure we had things ready to go. Another colleague spent much of the day (and evening) working on getting imagery mocked up for submission to Apple for this version as well. Everyone I work with is passionate about 1Password and giving our users the very best we can. Our documentation team spent time trying to document something they didn't even have their hands on.

The release notes are kind of our way of showing off the hard work of many of our developers and teammates. Kind of like the credits at the end of a movie. We're excited about these releases and we want our users to be excited. :)
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I am afraid I don't have any information I can give there. We're being a bit tight lipped about this because we want to under promise and over deliver. I'm also part of our iOS and Mac teams, so I don't really have a lot of direct involvement with the Windows application, so I can't give any insight or nuggets of information I'm afraid. Our Windows team has been very hard at work on version 6, and it's shown. They had to write an app completely from scratch and play catch up with all of our other teams, with fewer developers as well. They've done an amazing job and I look forward to seeing what they do with version 7 :)



I'm sorry to hear you don't like the new favorites. Almost all of the feedback I've seen today has been people saying they really love it.

Do you have a phone capable of 3D Touch? If so, force touch on the item and it'll open the details view. That'll let you tap the website url like you previously had to do.

I'll pass your feedback along about the recents. I have grown to really love the Recents list since it was introduced. I'd be curious if after using it for a few weeks you still have the same opinion of it.

Thank you for the reply.

However, the more I use 1Password 7 the more I'm convinced it's just not at all intuitive anymore.

Also, holding the bar at the bottom to get to the browser!? Why? How is that intuitive? Why does the browser window now automatically close when you switch from 1Password to some other app and then come back again?

(I've also had 3D Touch freeze the pushing open of the Favorite/Recent web page, where I've had to "force" close the app. I haven't been able to repeat it, but it happened).

Yes, I'm sure I'll get used to things. But recents do not equal favorites, no matter what a user can or cannot get used to.
 
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Thank you for the reply.

However, the more I use 1Password 7 the more I'm convinced it's just broken. For example, I've had 3D Touch freeze the pushing open of the Favorite/Recent web page, where I've had to "force" close the app.

Also, if I go to a login, and open it in the 1Password browser, and then leave it open, - switch to a different app, and then come back to 1Password, the browser closes automatically with no way to get back to the browser. I then can only go back to the browser by RE-logging in to whatever site it was!

In fact, there's no way to manually get to the browser anymore like there used to be. At least, not that I can see. When I'm in the browser after clicking a login, I can go to the tabs and close a tab and it just... weirdly moves to the next tab when you close one.

It just feels unfinished, and that's a shame, as 1Password has been - for the most part - a very polished product.

3D touch on the menu bar at the bottom of the screen on your phone. That'll bring the browser back up.

We really want users to be using Safari as their web browser, not our built in browser. For what it's worth the built in browser is what is preventing us from being all ages, instead we have to be 17+ because of the built in browser. So we're starting to see if we can't push users to using Safari with the 1Password Safari Extension instead.

The iPhone X gave us a chance to try something different here as well. The old button was a tad custom, but it didn't play nicely with the new iPhone X's setup, so we needed to either remove the button or redesign it. We're trying the removal of the button (but still offering other ways to get to the browser). No idea if it'll stick, but we don't track usage data or anything like that, so we don't have any idea how many people actually use the built in browser or anything along those lines. It makes certain things a lot more difficult but it keeps user privacy ahead of all others.

I have personally not seen the freezing of 3D Touch though. I know there is a small graphical issue where it seems to change sizes but we do have a bug report for that open.
 
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Hey, neat error!

So, under the hood the way this words is each vault has a UUID (a unique identifier) and each item also has a UUID. During handoff we pass these two identifiers over to the other device so it can locate the exact vault and item.

With that in mind, that error is saying it can't find that vault or that item in the vault.

Can you view that particular item on that device? If so, it's possible you have two vaults that were once different and have now merged them together, which will potentially cause this to happen.
Yes can view the item on both devices same vault have used passsword for quite a few years so yes probably have merged together is there a way to fix this
 
3D touch on the menu bar at the bottom of the screen on your phone. That'll bring the browser back up.

We really want users to be using Safari as their web browser, not our built in browser. For what it's worth the built in browser is what is preventing us from being all ages, instead we have to be 17+ because of the built in browser. So we're starting to see if we can't push users to using Safari with the 1Password Safari Extension instead.

The iPhone X gave us a chance to try something different here as well. The old button was a tad custom, but it didn't play nicely with the new iPhone X's setup, so we needed to either remove the button or redesign it. We're trying the removal of the button (but still offering other ways to get to the browser). No idea if it'll stick, but we don't track usage data or anything like that, so we don't have any idea how many people actually use the built in browser or anything along those lines. It makes certain things a lot more difficult but it keeps user privacy ahead of all others.

I have personally not seen the freezing of 3D Touch though. I know there is a small graphical issue where it seems to change sizes but we do have a bug report for that open.

Hah yeah you quoted me while I was editing my post. That should make my edited post even MORE important. Please see above!

#56

Also, on a fresh open of the app and going to my logins there's now an obvious delay while the list populates.
[doublepost=1509651135][/doublepost]In addition, you say you're trying to get users away from the 1Password browser? The 1Password browser is a fundamental part of the app for me. Otherwise, you're essentially asking users to use their own Safari bookmarks to get to pages they need to get to, and then use the 1Password plugin to fill the data.

Again, let me reiterate how much I love 1Password, and how much I do not like these changes.
 
I’ve been using 1Password since they had it on sale (and MacRumors let members know). I’ve since recommended it to lots of people, tech savvy and not at all.

I also love the responsiveness of its staff, here and on Twitter.
 
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This is for the iOS version, not the Mac version. Version 7 for Mac is still a ways off. We're prepping for 1Password 6.9 for Mac which will lay some very important ground work for version 7. We'll have more to discuss with 6.9 in the future but suffice to say it'll be a pretty significant change under the hood. Our hope is that most people don't notice those changes :)

I had 6.9.1 on my iPhone, but no update was showing in the App Store—it showed that version 7.0 is out when I searched for 1Password, but the only option was to open, not update it. As a workaround, I created a backup on the device, transferred that to my work computer, deleted 1Password from the iPhone, and downloaded it. That got 7.0 on my phone. I then restored my data from the backup. Doubt if there are many people in this situation, but maybe this will help someone.
 
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