1Password 8 for Mac Released With New Design and Features

[ignatius345]

It looks like an Electron app.

Sad.

They took $620 million dollars in series C funding and they gave their users an electron app.

Please enlighten me as to why that matters. Not being snarky. I'm genuinely curious.

I use 1Password a lot. Just updated. Everything seems more or less the same, but I guess with a fresh coat of paint, UI-wise. Functionally, it feels about the same.

 

[ignatius345]

I've been a happy user of Keeper for my passwords. I know it's a subscription, but I suppose the developers should get compensated for keeping the product supported and releasing new features. I don't know why I chose Keeper at the time, but I like it a lot and haven't found a compelling reason to switch to something else.

Same here. It's not that expensive, and because it's a Family Plan, my wife and I get to keep our own separate vaults plus one for shared household stuff. She's not great with tech, but since we started using 1Password I haven't had to field a single "I can't log in to _____!!" crisis. Well worth the low yearly cost for that alone.

 

[0414562]

Thanks for pointing me to Secrets as a replacement to 1Password. I’ve been playing with it for a while now, and it’s great. Amazing how an indie developer can create a streamlined, beautiful app with 90% of 1Password’s core features, no subscriptions, no disingenuous BS to goad you into subscribing, no fuss. Like Tweetbot is to Twitter’s app. Great stuff.

Dude there is nothing "disingenuous" about 1Password's subscription. You pay for it or you don't. They're not holding a gun to your head. They're not tricking you into it. Its the only option. And hate to say this...but Tweetbot is a subscription.

 

[0414562]

I’ll stick with version 7. I paid a one time fee of $49.99 and will use it until it no longer works. I will never pay $36 a year indefinitely for an app that does not justify subscription pricing. Version 7 works perfectly fine.

Of course it justifies subscription pricing. I honestly don't get this viewpoint. They're doing a ton of work. You find $3 a month a hardship?

 

[0414562]

Is that independently verifiable?

Yes they have been audited. https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Thanks for pointing me to Secrets as a replacement to 1Password. I’ve been playing with it for a while now, and it’s great. Amazing how an indie developer can create a streamlined, beautiful app with 90% of 1Password’s core features, no subscriptions, no disingenuous BS to goad you into subscribing, no fuss. Like Tweetbot is to Twitter’s app. Great stuff.

What’s the point of using an app that’s Mac/iOS only? You might as well just used iCloud Keychain.

 

[xyz01]

Strangely, many people complaining here are probably running other Electron apps without even realising it. Discord, Slack, Skype, MS Teams, GitHub Desktop just to name a few.

To be fair, the first four of these is exactly why Electron has gotten a bad rep. Those are big, bloated apps that eat memory, cpu and battery for breakfast, lunch, dinner. Plus constant snacking.

I haven't used the last one, I only use git through the cli.

 

[MuppetGate]

1Password are not unlike the Gestapo. They provide “protection” at a steep price and on their terms, and don’t give a rats ass what the users actually do and don’t want. They do it their way, because they can, and because people have few alternatives.

“And the Oscar for the most asinine use of a Nazi comparison in a forum post goes to …”

 

[MuppetGate]

I did not take part in the beta.

And that is where I stopped reading.

 

[saint.duo]

I still don’t understand what makes these password managers more secure like … if you know the master password, you have access to EVERY password instead of maybe the password of one site

Edit: I don’t understand all the downvotes. I was not questioning the tool itself ? I was just wondering. I’d be more scared of my 1Password account being hacked and all the passwords that go along with it than 1 password of 1 random page

The idea is that you have a secure password that you can remember that you don't use anywhere else, and then you use your password manager to generate, store, and handle all of the passwords you use everywhere else. With 1password specifically, you also need a recovery key, not just the password, to get into the vault from a new location or computer. So if someone somehow DOES get your 1Password password, they still can't get in, and you can change it.

 

[bsmr]

I can use Keychain for free

Keychain only, if they support other browsers within macOS.

Does the EU have to threaten with penalties again for Apple to take action here?

 

[scrm]

Dude there is nothing "disingenuous" about 1Password's subscription. You pay for it or you don't. They're not holding a gun to your head. They're not tricking you into it. Its the only option. And hate to say this...but Tweetbot is a subscription.

In my original post I referred to “no disingenuous BS to goad you into subscribing”. I didn’t say there was anything disingenuous about a subscription itself, but rather about the way the 1Password team has tried for years now to edge you towards a subscription. (I’m not thrilled to pay for subscriptions, nor for Tweetbot.)

We all recall how they with each successive release, the 1Password guys made it harder and harder to find the standalone version of their app on their site. Literally *hiding* the link, or forcing you to click something else first before the link presented itself. I mean, come on! When your audience is tech-savvy people, often developers, they see right through it.

Or how about: on their support forums, the 1Password team appeared to have all been briefed to respond to requests with a soft sell about how great the subscription product is. Every response that asked about the standalone app, they’d pivot to the subscription app.

Look, marketing is fine. But the way 1Password did it, so heavy-handed, I felt like I was being treated like an idiot. I think part of that has engendered the backlash against them. I liked their app and used it for years. But I also like to feel that my money is rewarding good practices as well as great software. And I didn’t like their practices.

 

[MacHeritage]

Well it was a good run. After using 1Password since version 2, it is time to move on. I will use version 7 until I move everything over to something else. Currently, and after much researching, the best solution looks to be StrongBox.

Two major reasons why: I don't do subscriptions and I do not send any password stores/vaults over the Internet, period! It is like giving away all your passwords and information over to the three letter agencies on a nice silver platter. So stupid.

So, no thank you AgileBits! So long and farewell. I'll move on to greener pastures where I do not need a subscription, nor have to give my passwords to the Internet (NSA etc.) for so-called "safe keeping". If things would have kept the same like version 7 was, I would have stayed. Version 8 is technically impossible for me to use.

 

[LV426]

I do not send any password stores/vaults over the Internet, period! It is like giving away all your passwords and information over to the three letter agencies on a nice silver platter. So stupid.

It’s really not like that at all. Whether you are using a keychain vault or some other cloud-hosted vault, you are storing/sending encrypted versions of your passwords with 1Password. Such vaults are useless to third parties without access to your master key.

 

[petvas]

I did not take part in the beta. I said I should have followed it closely, but didn't realize I had to as I never thought something as foolish as this was coming. And if you think your screenshot shows good memory usage, I'm not sure what to say other than for what 1Password does and is, that is not good memory usage.

Worse even, that memory usage will likely grow indefinitely until you reboot. 1Password stays running, so resource management and low memory features are a necessity. When mentioning Electron and it's huge downfalls, I don't think most people are realizing this factor. If you keep the Mac Slack app running for work all day, like so many of us are stuck with, which is an Electron app, just watch its memory footprint and spawned processes throughout the day.

Sorry but there is not an honest answer to fixing their problems at this point. They went down the highway to hell and seem to be "very happy" with their choice. Well their users aren't. If they are going for just Enterprise customers with this move as some have mentioned, it makes a bit of crap-sense but they will lose a big portion of their Mac base. At least, I sure hope they do as this surely deserves a cancellation. One that I'm making within the week after choosing a replacement.

Sad, 1Password has been with me for decades. One stupid choice like this completely destroys all of that history. Of course there's a ton more to explain to people that don't understand what the Electron part of their new app will do or not do for them, but they'll figure it out on their own given some time. I on the other hand, do know and have now used version 8, which is actually worse than I even thought. Not even talking about the sluggish performance. I'm talking about the UI and features. The UI is clunky and as everyone else that's been with the Mac long enough to know what fits and what doesn't.
This new version absolutely does NOT fit in with macOS's - everything.
Everything is just.....off.

This thread has other posts with all of the details that I'm barely scraping the surface of. All of which are downgrades and problems. Once again, enough of my time spent writing about version 8. I am better off spending the next 20 minutes finding a suitable alternative to switch to. They've probably already written off "personal" users anyway from the sound of things. If enterprise is what they want, then whatever. What a waste.

This has been a major topic of discussion in the Beta forums. 1Password is not a native Mac app anymore and this is sad. I understand the reasons of course, but still that doesn't change the fact that the app has gotten worse, despite Agilebits claims..

 

[Volk.JP]

It looks like an Electron app.

Sad.

They took $620 million dollars in series C funding and they gave their users an electron app.

1Password Closed a $620 Million Series C Funding

1Password, a password management platform, closed a $620 million Series C funding, raising the company's valuation to $6.8 billion.

thinkremote.com

So very sad.

I realized apple passwords and Secrets was enough to cover my needs.

Happy.

I don't have to deal with 1password ever again.

Priceless.

Previously they stated that is a native app on the modern versions of macOS. Quote from their blog post:

Ultimately we decided for a two-prong approach. We would build two Mac apps. One written in SwiftUI that targeted the latest operating systems and another using web UI that allowed us to cover older OSes.

 

[fumi2014]

I must be in the minority here. I've been with 1Password since 2014. I really like the new version. I was really worried about all the negative press, changes to app etc but it works absolutely fine on the M1. If nobody had told me it was no longer a native app, I would never have known. Superfast. New features. What's not to like? And everything is subscription models these days.

 

[mdatwood]

I must be in the minority here. I've been with 1Password since 2014. I really like the new version. I was really worried about all the negative press, changes to app etc but it works absolutely fine on the M1. If nobody had told me it was no longer a native app, I would never have known. Superfast. New features. What's not to like? And everything is subscription models these days.

I don't think you're in the minority. Most people get a new version that works fine, and don't think anything else about it. I have been using the 8 beta for a long and it works great.

 

[randian]

What is this new "1password 8 for safari" in the Mac App Store? Is it a replacement for 1password 7's 1Password Mini? Do I now need a different one for every browser? 1P Mini worked with both Safari and Chrome (which I keep around because some crap websites don't work with Safari).

 

[NeXTguy]

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Have you actually looked to see how many resources 1Password 8 is using? The attached screenshot doesn't seem unreasonable.

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Electron apps in the early days got a bad name for themselves, and it was mostly warranted at the time. Electron apps have generally come a long way, and when optimised well it's generally not a big issue.

Is it a "big deal" or "not that bad"? I guess, we can argue about that. But what is clear is that that's a significant regression when compared to 1Password 7. And *that* is what folks often (and rightly in my opinion) complain about.

EDIT: The screenshot @djam shared showed 8 processes using 325MB for 1Password 8.

 

[noraa]

Congratulations - you can do that in 1Password as well (even without subscription)

Um, you absolutely CANNOT do that in 1Password. 1Password 8 does not support any kind of hosting outside of the 1P cloud. With BitWarden you can self host your password vault via a Docker container. You are in complete control of this vault as, if you so choose, it never has to leave your local network. This is the antithesis of where 1Password now stands (I.e. you no longer have full control of your password vault).

 

[joecomo]

Um, you absolutely CANNOT do that in 1Password. 1Password 8 does not support any kind of hosting outside of the 1P cloud. With BitWarden you can self host your password vault via a Docker container. You are in complete control of this vault as, if you so choose, it never has to leave your local network. This is the antithesis of where 1Password now stands (I.e. you no longer have full control of your password vault).

Yes - you could until version 7 - now its gone.

 

[joecomo]

It’s really not like that at all. Whether you are using a keychain vault or some other cloud-hosted vault, you are storing/sending encrypted versions of your passwords with 1Password. Such vaults are useless to third parties without access to your master key.

Yes - but they are providing web access to the vaults and I understand that there could be valid concerns around that.
Overall I am fine with the additional convenience and the ease of use - they should have retained local vaults though.

 

[chabig]

Word from 1Password support is that version 8 isn't on the App Store. They told me to download and install from their website, and that the Apple subscription I have on the App Store simply carries over and works with the standalone version.

 

[svish]

The new design matching Monterey is good.